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Why the NT is Historically and Theologically not acceptable for Torath Mosheh Jews

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Is there any chance you can quote the post you're responding to? All you have to do is press 'reply'.
I did. I see that you are making this same comment to others who have similarly included the quotes they are replying to, so your remarks are quite frankly... baffling.

Is it because we do not always quote the entire post? People usually only quote that portion of the post they are replying to.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Just like pastors and priests, they can interpret the scripture the incorrect way. They are not infallible. Some Jewish rabbis teach reincarnation, which is pagan. Psalm 23:6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
This is irrelevant. If the supreme court justices interpret the constitution incorrectly, their ruling nevertheless is authoritative over all the land. With time, future supreme courts will straighten the matter out. It is not up to the president or congress to give the supreme court the finger and say well you are wrong so we are going to ignore you. Authority to whom authority is due. Is that not what your own NT says?
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
I did. I see that you are making this same comment to others who have similarly included the quotes they are replying to, so your remarks are quite frankly... baffling.

Is it because we do not always quote the entire post? People usually only quote that portion of the post they are replying to.
I think it's because she has Skywalker on ignore.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
This is irrelevant. If the supreme court justices interpret the constitution incorrectly, their ruling nevertheless is authoritative over all the land. With time, future supreme courts will straighten the matter out. It is not up to the president or congress to give the supreme court the finger and say well you are wrong so we are going to ignore you. Authority to whom authority is due. Is that not what your own NT says?

Having to follow the law of the land has nothing to do with a rabbi's interpretations of the scriptures being correct.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Then you have problems with the Torah, since it is Deuteronomy 17:8-13 which gives the Judges/Pharisees/Rabbis authority.
Just want to ask a question, not quite on that subject. Here's the question: I was reading Genesis chapter 3, and it came to mind if you actually believe the 5 books of Moses were written before books of Isaiah or Hosea. What do you think? Do you believe that the first 5 books were written before the other books in the Tanach?
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Not interested in debating. You asked, I answered.

As noted in my previous post (919), you have Skywalker on ignore. Most of the posts here aren't directed at you. While it's no sin to query posts directed at other people, I think perhaps you should momentarily unignore Skywalker to understand exactly how our debates on this thread have been going on before asking questions. Just a suggestion.
Oh, ok, thank you. I didn't realize that I had him on ignore. I'll put him on unignore asap. Thanks. (Sorry, skywalker.)
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Having to follow the law of the land has nothing to do with a rabbi's interpretations of the scriptures being correct.
You forget that the children of Israel are a physical people, a living nation. For us these laws have functioned as the law of the land.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Just want to ask a question, not quite on that subject. Here's the question: I was reading Genesis chapter 3, and it came to mind if you actually believe the 5 books of Moses were written before books of Isaiah or Hosea. What do you think? Do you believe that the first 5 books were written before the other books in the Tanach?
Yes, they were written before the prophets, but not in the form we now have them. They were edited into their final form in Babylon. You should google the Documentary Hypothesis. It's good background to know.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
You forget that the children of Israel are a physical people, a living nation. For us these laws have functioned as the law of the land.

That doesn't mean that everything that the rabbis say is biblical. Some rabbis teach reincarnation, a concept that goes against Psalm 23:6. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Yes, they were written before the prophets, but not in the form we now have them. They were edited into their final form in Babylon. You should google the Documentary Hypothesis. It's good background to know.
I realize these writings of Moses were not in the form we have now. But thanks for answering that you believe they were written before the prophets.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Not interested in debating. You asked, I answered.

As noted in my previous post (919), you have Skywalker on ignore. Most of the posts here aren't directed at you. While it's no sin to query posts directed at other people, I think perhaps you should momentarily unignore Skywalker to understand exactly how our debates on this thread have been going on before asking questions. Just a suggestion.
Who's debating? Either God lets us know NOW (while we're alive) what will happen in the future or He keeps us in the dark. (Ignorant.) And I don't think He will or wants to keep us all in the dark. One big reason being what Moses wrote about what God told Adam about the penalty for disobedience. It's death if you do, and life, not death, if you don't eat the fruit. It's clear.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
You are. Your posts insinuate that the Jewish view is baseless. I'm not interested in debating the matter.
OK, it's almost like the ToE and people refusing to acknowledge intelligently what's there or not there, and since you have that viewpoint, just as I have a cousin who is an orthodox Jew and he will not discuss religion with me no matter even if it agrees with him, because I am a woman as well as not Jewish, I'm getting used to it. But! as my aunt says without explanation -- "That's how it is." :) Thanks anyway, though.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
You are. Your posts insinuate that the Jewish view is baseless. I'm not interested in debating the matter.
Don't debate. Jesus quoted from the Hebrew scriptures. He didn't think every view was baseless.
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
OK, it's almost like the ToE and people refusing to acknowledge intelligently what's there or not there, and since you have that viewpoint, just as I have a cousin who is an orthodox Jew and he will not discuss religion with me no matter even if it agrees with him, because I am a woman as well as not Jewish, I'm getting used to it. But! as my aunt says without explanation -- "That's how it is." :) Thanks anyway, though.
:rolleyes: give me a break. As though I've never discussed/debated anything with you. But hey, if that's how you prefer to spin reality. So much for acknowledging things honestly.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
:rolleyes: give me a break. As though I've never discussed/debated anything with you. But hey, if that's how you prefer to spin reality. So much for acknowledging things honestly.
Being you said you don't want to debate -- I'm not sure what you were referring to -- I'm thinking there are so many opinions among many groups, and much of it is based on family acquaintance as to which group one adheres to. I was just reading in Numbers about the Israelites and their encounters with the Moabites before they entered the Promised Land. Ah well -- it's a tough one.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
You know I don't care what Jesus said, right?
The topic here is why you don't accept what the Bible says about jesus. So I would think you'd be willing to discuss that. Maybe you did and I just didn't see it. But again, out of respect for you, I won't push.
 
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