Why the NT was written in Aramaic and Greek

[LegionOnomaMoi]

Your entire argument for "I" is pure assumption on the part of your self-created, illusory "I".

What assumptions? You didn't address any of my arguments and now you claim I made assumptions that you don't specific.

It is one of the primary flaws of the rational mind

You made sensational erroneous statements based on faulty logic

So which is it? Am I supposed to use logic and rationality or not? You fault my logic (you don't say how, but then you aren't in the habit of giving reasons for your assertions), then you fault my use of rationality. Quite the demanding god you are.

The ego does everything in its power to perpetuate its illusory existence

I didn't know Freudian concepts had the power to do anything.

I am sorry

You can't be. There is no "I".

you have spent years under esteemed masters only to never have understood this very primary stage

...that you learned from YouTube (but which does allow you omniscient claims about all mystics, all religions, and all science).

There is so much intellectual baggage in the way that you would be extremely lucky to have even a fleeting glimpse of what I have been referring to.

Fundamentalist mysticism promoting a KJV-only argument without any basis except blind faith?

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

As I said

Who said?

a step above that of Identification, which is the 3rd Level, in which one 'identifies' with a skin-encapsulated ego called "I". This 4th state of consciousness

I got to the 6th level, but I couldn't find the Wand of Destiny and I keep being defeated by the Orc King. Do you know the code for the trapdoor in that level?

in which the illusory (fictional) state of the "I" is clearly observed.

Once again, you're asserting that you can't think and that to the extent you say anything, you aren't actually saying it because you're a thoughtless, mindless drone (according to you; as I said, I disagree and your use of the first person perspective is an implicit indication you disagree as well).

 

[godnotgod]

Much of the NT was written in the DIASPORA, what Language was primarily used in the Diaspora?

The Gnostic Nazorean Definition of Pauline Christianity

"Roman Christianity has gained the ascendancy in Western culture as the one and only version of Christianity, but anciently there was another equally viable interpretation of Christ and His Teachings. The pre Christ polar opposition between Judaism and Nazoreanism was reflected after Christ by the polarity between Pauline and Gnostic (Nazorean) Christianity. In this article we will seek to further elucidate the differences between these two traditions.

This original group of Nazarene disciples had firsthand knowledge of what Yeshu and Miryai had taught and stood for, and were holding to the original vision. The non-Nazarene "Jewish-Christians", or Roman Christians, and the "Gentile Christians", on the other hand, did not have or want the firsthand knowledge possessed by the original Nazarenes, but instead preferred creating their own myths concerning the Christ. This led to conflict and eventual persecution of the Nazarenes. The more powerful and numerous gentile Christians eventually removed most vestiges of the original Nazarene Way from their gentile gospel, and what little was left of the original Nazarene Way was only partially preserved by the monastic orders which slowly began to arise as the Nazarenes were persecuted into extinction, yet these were highly Judaized by their use of Jewish Psalms.

When they rewrote history, it appears that these Roman Christians associated the original Essene-Nasorene disciples and their descendents with the semi-converted Pharisee Nazorenes and their remnants, refering to both groups as "Jewish Christians", casting them in the light of narrow minded Pharisee Jews incapable of fully accepting their Christ. They created many laws and false impressions of the original heirs of Yeshu and Miryai.

Due to rapid growth and a general "diaspora" dispersion due to persecution and other factors, original Nazorenes quickly divided into numerous and varied factions and groups. The small central core of original Yeshu-Miryai disciples, attempting to live a pure Essene communal life, were quickly outnumbered by vast conversions from non-Essene circles. These gentile converts, with their Roman and Greek customs and lifestyles, eventually rejected the original Nazarene Way in favor of their own adaptation and revision of the original Gospel. When they gained political power after 135 A.D. they rewrote history and the New Testament in a manner fitting their own divergent views and lifestyles, rendering it only a shadow of its original glory. They successfully destroyed, or drastically altered, most of the original writings and customs of the earliest disciples. This fulfilled a prophecy that the Times of the Gentiles would hold sway until an eventual resurgence and return of the true Israelite (Essene Nazorene Ebionite) Way. The resultant tradition is that which we refer to as Pauline, or Roman Christianity."

http://essenes.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=478&Itemid=445

 

[godnotgod]

Who said?

IT

I got to the 6th level, but I couldn't find the Wand of Destiny and I keep being defeated by the Orc King. Do you know the code for the trapdoor in that level?

Yes. It's 'Duh!...I still think I exist!'

Once again, you're asserting that you can't think and that to the extent you say anything, you aren't actually saying it because you're a thoughtless, mindless drone (according to you; as I said, I disagree and your use of the first person perspective is an implicit indication you disagree as well).

Because you are still attached to the illusory concept of "I", you just keep going 'round and 'round in your own mental loop, seeing what "I" say as a confirmation of and via your own illusory concepts. I've told you before: "I" is being used purely out of convention. There is, in reality, no such thing. Now, if you think you can produce such an animal, please bring it forth here so we can have a closer look at the beast.

Otherwise......


ppphhhhtttt!

 

[godnotgod]

...that you learned from YouTube (but which does allow you omniscient claims about all mystics, all religions, and all science).

There is egoic knowledge, which is what you are all about, and then there is knowing the true nature of things.

You cannot seem to get beyond the wall in your QiGong practice to get to the 'other' side, because you fail to realize that you already ARE on the 'other' side. Just leave your "I" baggage at the gateless gate.



Dao De Jing 'The Way and Its Power'

Daodejing II. 47.

Without leaving his door
He knows everything under heaven.
Without looking out of his window
He knows all the ways of heaven.
For the further one travels
The less one knows.
Therefore the Sage arrives without going,
Sees all without looking,
Does nothing, yet achieves everything.

Waley 47
*****


Without stirring abroad
One can know the whole world;
Without looking out the window
One can see the way of heaven.
The further one goes
The less one knows.
Therefore the sage knows without having to stir,
Identifies without having to see,
Accomplishes without having to act.

Lau 47
*****

Sans sortir de ma maison, je connais l'univers ; sans regarder par ma fenêtre, je découvre les voies du ciel.
Plus l'on s'éloigne et moins l'on apprend38.
C'est pourquoi le sage arrive (où il veut) sans marcher ; il nomme les objets sans les voir ; sans agir, il accomplit de grandes choses.

38. Les hommes du monde sont aveuglés par l'intérêt et les passions. Ils s'élancent au-dehors pour les satisfaire. L'amour du lucre trouble leur prudence. C'est pourquoi, de jour en jour, ils s'éloignent davantage de leur nature. La poussière des passions s'épaissit davantage de jour en jour, et leur cœur s'obscurcit de plus en plus. C'est pourquoi, plus ils s'éloignent et plus leurs connaissances diminuent. Mais le saint homme reste calme et sans désirs ; il ne s'occupe point des choses sensibles, et, en restant en repos, il comprend tous les secrets de l'univers.

Julien 47
*****

Ohne aus der Tür zu gehen,
kennt man die Welt.
Ohne aus dem Fenster zu schauen,
sieht man den SINN des Himmels.
Je weiter einer hinausgeht,
desto geringer wird sein Wissen.
Darum braucht der Berufene nicht zu gehen
und weiß doch alles.
Er braucht nicht zu sehen
und ist doch klar.
Er braucht nichts zu machen
und vollendet doch.

Wilhelm 47
*****

 

[godnotgod]

The following comment was posted on a forum in response to a new Linux distribution:

"You take code you didn't write, bash the leading commercial competitor in ways that don't even make any damned sense, poise your cheesy rebranded knockoff as a miracle cure to all these problems most of which you just pulled out your a*ss, and then charge $$$ for the resulting excrement. Bake at 350°, serve chilled."

How apt a description of the Greek NT and modern Paulanity.

 

[outhouse]

The Gnostic Nazorean Definition of Pauline Christianity

"Roman Christianity has gained the ascendancy in Western culture as the one and only version of Christianity, but anciently there was another equally viable interpretation of Christ and His Teachings. The pre Christ polar opposition between Judaism and Nazoreanism was reflected after Christ by the polarity between Pauline and Gnostic (Nazorean) Christianity. In this article we will seek to further elucidate the differences between these two traditions.

This original group of Nazarene disciples had firsthand knowledge of what Yeshu and Miryai had taught and stood for, and were holding to the original vision. The non-Nazarene "Jewish-Christians", or Roman Christians, and the "Gentile Christians", on the other hand, did not have or want the firsthand knowledge possessed by the original Nazarenes, but instead preferred creating their own myths concerning the Christ. This led to conflict and eventual persecution of the Nazarenes. The more powerful and numerous gentile Christians eventually removed most vestiges of the original Nazarene Way from their gentile gospel, and what little was left of the original Nazarene Way was only partially preserved by the monastic orders which slowly began to arise as the Nazarenes were persecuted into extinction, yet these were highly Judaized by their use of Jewish Psalms.

When they rewrote history, it appears that these Roman Christians associated the original Essene-Nasorene disciples and their descendents with the semi-converted Pharisee Nazorenes and their remnants, refering to both groups as "Jewish Christians", casting them in the light of narrow minded Pharisee Jews incapable of fully accepting their Christ. They created many laws and false impressions of the original heirs of Yeshu and Miryai.

Due to rapid growth and a general "diaspora" dispersion due to persecution and other factors, original Nazorenes quickly divided into numerous and varied factions and groups. The small central core of original Yeshu-Miryai disciples, attempting to live a pure Essene communal life, were quickly outnumbered by vast conversions from non-Essene circles. These gentile converts, with their Roman and Greek customs and lifestyles, eventually rejected the original Nazarene Way in favor of their own adaptation and revision of the original Gospel. When they gained political power after 135 A.D. they rewrote history and the New Testament in a manner fitting their own divergent views and lifestyles, rendering it only a shadow of its original glory. They successfully destroyed, or drastically altered, most of the original writings and customs of the earliest disciples. This fulfilled a prophecy that the Times of the Gentiles would hold sway until an eventual resurgence and return of the true Israelite (Essene Nazorene Ebionite) Way. The resultant tradition is that which we refer to as Pauline, or Roman Christianity."

http://essenes.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=478&Itemid=445

Link is invalid.

And you did not answer the question.


I don't trust a single thing in that link, im not sure the author has any credibility at all.

 

[godnotgod]

Link is invalid.

And you did not answer the question.


I don't trust a single thing in that link, im not sure the author has any credibility at all.

True, the link is dead, but you will need to validate/invalidate the content yourself.

You asked a question; I answered it via another reference, which explains how the Greek NT and modern Christianity came about.

 

[outhouse]

True, the link is dead, but you will need to validate/invalidate the content yourself.

You asked a question; I answered it via another reference, which explains how the Greek NT and modern Christianity came about.

The link makes checks it cannot cash.

There is no evidence of Nazarene disciples having any knowledge or lessons the Hellenist did not have.

 

[godnotgod]

The link makes checks it cannot cash.

There is no evidence of Nazarene disciples having any knowledge or lessons the Hellenist did not have.

No? What Yeshu said were things the ordinary man could not comprehend via his learning and knowledge. HIS pointing to the truth is the evidence itself. Mystical teachings must be this way. The initiates never understand the inner secrets until after much practice. That's just the nature of the beast. But you don't seem to understand how this works.

Tell me. Do you agree that Paul and Rome were hellbent on the destruction of the Nazarenes and their teachings?

 

[outhouse]

No? What Yeshu said were things the ordinary man could not comprehend via his learning and knowledge. HIS pointing to the truth is the evidence itself. Mystical teachings must be this way. The initiates never understand the inner secrets until after much practice. That's just the nature of the beast. But you don't seem to understand how this works.

Is any of this substantiated? I didnt see any of it.

Tell me. Do you agree that Paul and Rome were hellbent on the destruction of the Nazarenes and their teachings

Paul no.

Paul persecuted percieved Helleistic sect members in the Diasopora, and ignored real Jews for the most part.

Rome had a conflict with Jews. You want to dump all that in your Nazorean lap so to speak, but I dont see any of your statement being substantiated.


I see faith as the foundation for your statements because you have nor supplied a credible source yet.

 

[godnotgod]

Is any of this substantiated? I didnt see any of it.





Paul no.

Paul persecuted percieved Helleistic sect members in the Diasopora, and ignored real Jews for the most part.

Rome had a conflict with Jews. You want to dump all that in your Nazorean lap so to speak, but I dont see any of your statement being substantiated.


I see faith as the foundation for your statements because you have nor supplied a credible source yet.

Well, Duh: The Gospels are largely accounts of what Yeshu said, sans the overwritings, and what he said came from a mystical point of view, 'mystical' meaning inner union with the divine nature. There is no mistake that he was pointing to this inner experience.

Do you agree that the Nazarenes were a sect of Judaism?

 

[allright]

Jesus was known to preach in Aramaic and the NT was written in Greek and Aramaic.

My question.

If Jesus was a Jew,then why he didn't preach in Hebrew and why his words wasn't recorded in Hebrew in that time.

Take a beginners history course

 

[outhouse]

Do you agree that the Nazarenes were a sect of Judaism?

I have not seen anything backing that up at all in first century context to a Jewish sect..

You had OT reference that was Nazarite.

You hade reference in Acts talking about followers of Jesus due to his reltionship to Nazareth.

You had late reference by Eusebius

 

[godnotgod]

I have not seen anything backing that up at all in first century context to a Jewish sect..

You had OT reference that was Nazarite.

You hade reference in Acts talking about followers of Jesus due to his reltionship to Nazareth.

You had late reference by Eusebius

In the New Testament book of Acts, Paul is tried in Caesarea, and Tertullus is reported as saying:

"We have, in fact, found this man a pestilent fellow, an agitator among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes" (Acts 24:5)

What is a Nazarene
*****

“And He came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.”
Matthew 2:23.

The allusion to Yeshu being a 'Nazarene' is not as a citizen of Nazareth, but as a member of the sect of Nazarenes, as fulfilling prophecy.

Acts 24:5 makes clear that Matt 2:23 refers to the religious sect, and not the town of Nazareth, for which we have no evidence of it's having existed during Yeshu's time.

"After the word "Christian" had become established as the standard term for the followers of Jesus, there appear to have been one or more groups calling themselves "Nazarenes", perhaps because they wished to lay claim to a more authentic and/or a more Jewish way of following Jesus.

Descriptions of groups with this title are given by the fourth century church father Epiphanius (flourished 370 CE), and Jerome. On the basis of their accounts, the Encyclopaedia Britannica of 1911 stated definitely that the name Nazarenes specifically identified an obscure Jewish-Christian sect, existing at the time of Epiphanius.

Epiphanius gives the more detailed, though thoroughly disapproving, description, calling the Nazarenes neither more nor less than Jews pure and simple. He mentions them in his Panarion (xxix. 7) as existing in Syria, Decapolis (Pella) and Basanitis (Cocabe)."

What is a Nazarene
*****

So Nazarenes were a Jewish religious sect. Some of Yeshu's pronouncements point to his being a Jewish mystic of the Nazarene sect, which is one of 3 sects of the Essenes, specifically the sect of the Nazorean (Nazarene) Order of Essenes of Mt. Carmel, which was the only mystical sect of the three, the others being Qumran Essenes, an apocalyptic sect, and the Therapeutae, a Buddhist-derived healing sect.

 

[outhouse]

Every single biblical reference deals with nothing more then a percieved sect that were followers of Jesus, not a real sect. Only percieved based on biblical text.

I dont buy your links to a personal biased view. They carry no credibility in my opinion.

 

[godnotgod]

Every single biblical reference deals with nothing more then a percieved sect that were followers of Jesus, not a real sect. Only percieved based on biblical text.

I dont buy your links to a personal biased view. They carry no credibility in my opinion.

Your opinion is quite sterile, black/white, and narrow-minded.

Only a person with a particular kind of insight could speak some of the things Yeshu said, and those utterances come from an inner experience of divine union. An orthodox believer would not say such things. They are focused primarily on belief, rather than divine union. This was the rub between Yeshu and the Jewish high priests. Yeshu was professing his inner union with the Father, which they saw as blasphemy against their beliefs.

 

[outhouse]

Only a person with a particular kind of insight could speak some of the things Yeshu said,

They were common Jewish statements.

WE don't have a clue, how many actually came from him, and how many might have originated with JtB or before him.

 

[godnotgod]

They were common Jewish statements.

WE don't have a clue, how many actually came from him, and how many might have originated with JtB or before him.

I am only referring to those statements which point to the state of inner divine union. These are not 'common Jewish statements'. If we were talking about India, it might be a different story; eg; 'Namaste'. Ordinary Jews did not go around publicly proclaiming their divine nature.