metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Which is why I left the fundamentalist Protestant church I used to belong to back in the '60's and eventually converted to Catholicism.
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Why the theory of evolution is so important
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leibowde84
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That is not what the theory of evolution claims. Nothing was "made".
MJFlores
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Am I correct in inferring then, that you are a theist that accepts what science has determined about the relationships, changes and diversity of life on Earth?Personally, I believe creationist and evolutionist are both right. One does not exclude the other
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I would be remiss if I did not point out that the evidence of evolution and the theory of evolution do not support any creation story described in any known myth, legend, or religious document. Following any of the latter is a belief system that a person is perfectly within their rights to follow, but remain unsupported or at odds with observation.
Have you ever looked at the claims made in science or the evidence used to support those claims? From what you have written here, I cannot see any evidence that you are doing anything more than repeating a party line.
I am not an historian, but I can read, and nothing I have read indicates that these things suddenly happened. The evidence that I am aware of does not support your claims.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I see that you do not understand the nature of evidence. Would you like to learn?
Your statement that scientists base their conclusion on no evidence was either a blatant lie or a demonstration of complete ignorance of what is and what is not evidence. I would hate to assume that you are a liar so I assume that you do not know.
Yes, wonderful and beautiful, but not meaningful for any argument one way or the other. This view of the galaxy is more evidence for the scientific view of the history of our universe.
The Roman Church still acknowledges that believers can make these claims based on scripture, and many do particularly in the Third world countries. The belief in the 'Fall' and 'Original Sin' is awkward as founded in a tacit belief in a literal story of Adam and Eve.
Seve
Member
Noah's flood exposes the weakness, the Achilles Heel of the False Theory of Evolution. Some Godless Evols have taken the Truth of MicroEvolution or changes within His kinds, and changed it into the unsupported, speculative LIE that God used evolution to Create. Not so, and God's Holy Word refutes such an ignorant idea.
Noah's Flood shows that Noah and his family came into our 2nd Heaven, from the 1st Heaven, the world of Adam, which was totally "dissolved" in the Flood. This happened some 10k years ago and Human civilization, on this Planet, can be traced to Noah's arrival in the mountains of Ararat, in Northern Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Human Civilization.
Without the Flood, we might be stuck with the stupid idea that we evolved from other animals, but the Flood shows that Humanity on our Earth, came from another world. Humans were made long BEFORE any other living creature. Genesis 2:4-7 That's God's Truth, which agrees in EVERY way with EVERY discovery of Science and History.
One thing God's Truth DISAGREES with is the False ToE, which is nothing but a Lie of Godless men who are afraid to be righteously judged for their evil deeds, so they made up an incomplete, untrue, False assumption, and called it the ToE. They did NOT consider God's Truth when they made fools of themselves with their unsupportable Theory, and now it's time for their Lies to be exposed.
Humans did NOT evolve from Apes and there is NO evidence which can stand when measured against God's Truth. Want to try to support the man-made, error filled, Theory of Evolution? I don't believe ANY of you can?
Seve
Member
I don't demonize evolution and I am the only person here who shows you that evolution is true, Scripturally. Genesis 6:4 I am pointing out that the False Assumption, which is ruining our children in Public Schools, is falsely teaching them that they are nothing but animals, who evolved from a common ancestor of Apes. This is the Lying Part of the Theory of Evolution. According to most Godless Evols, the False part will be changed if some one points out a Flaw in the Theory. Evol Lies are rampant since the entire false common ancestor assumption, goes beyond simple evolution, into the obvious lies of Satan.
I am a Christian who agrees in every way with the Factual Part of the ToE. It is easy to see that changes in the allele frequency over time in a population is nothing but a measurement of changes with His kinds, the kinds Jesus made with His own Hands, or Adaptation. I have NO problem with Factual Evolution. My problem is with the incomplete, untrue, False, ToE, which is being force taught as Fact in the Public Schools of the United States.
It's against the Constitution to force teach these Evol "beliefs", which CANNOT be supported factually, since they are nothing more than the Lies of Godless men who are afraid to face their own righteous judgment. Keep teaching the Lie that we are nothing but evolved animals, and the young people of our world will believe it and eventually turn into the uncaring animals you are falsely teaching them the are.
God tells us Humans were made long BEFORE any other living creature, (Genesis 2:4-7) making the False Theory that we evolved from the common ancestor of Apes the BIGGEST Lie in the History of mankind. Be ashamed of such False Teaching.
I am a Christian who agrees in every way with the Factual Part of the ToE. It is easy to see that changes in the allele frequency over time in a population is nothing but a measurement of changes with His kinds, the kinds Jesus made with His own Hands, or Adaptation. I have NO problem with Factual Evolution. My problem is with the incomplete, untrue, False, ToE, which is being force taught as Fact in the Public Schools of the United States.
It's against the Constitution to force teach these Evol "beliefs", which CANNOT be supported factually, since they are nothing more than the Lies of Godless men who are afraid to face their own righteous judgment. Keep teaching the Lie that we are nothing but evolved animals, and the young people of our world will believe it and eventually turn into the uncaring animals you are falsely teaching them the are.
God tells us Humans were made long BEFORE any other living creature, (Genesis 2:4-7) making the False Theory that we evolved from the common ancestor of Apes the BIGGEST Lie in the History of mankind. Be ashamed of such False Teaching.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Except for the fact that we know the Flood story is another myth of the Bible.
Try again.
And you still either have no clue as to what evidence is or you are lying. Why not take some time to learn? I don't think you are lying. I think that you just do not understand evidence.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Wrong again. The theory of evolution is the only concept that can be defended factually. There have been lawsuits about that and judges tend to be experts on evidence and the theory of evolution continually wins. That is why it is only legal to teach evolution since it is the only evidence supported belief.
Seve
Member
Evols are willingly ignorant that their story does NOT agree with History. A good example is the fact that Evols CLAIM that we became fully human some 195k years ago. They ignore the Historic fact that the FIRST human agriculture did not occur until some 10k years ago, which is a trait of modern humans.
IOW, the people who evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, were NOT humans - who has the knowledge of good and evil - but only looked like humans since they had NO Agriculture until Noah arrived. Evols should adjust their False assumption since Humans (Adam's descendants) did not arrive until some 10k years ago.
Again - this historical facts is being presented again since it has not been address by any of the willingly ignorant Godless Evol here - below is evidence of the arrival of Humans just southwest of the mountains of Ararat, some 10k years ago - , where Noah arrived. Human civilization began in Northern Mesopotamia exactly where the first Human cities appeared which were built by Noah's great grandsons. Genesis 10 History and Scripture AGREE, but the False ToE does NOT agree with either. That's because Lies do not agree with any other Truth.
Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE
Noah's flood did NOT happen in our Universe, but totally dissolved the world of Adam. Adam's small world was floating in the waters of the biggest Lake in the middle east, when the windows on high were opened. It rained for forty days and nights and the firmament began to sink into the Lake. As the firmament filled with water, the covered Ark rose above the ground and out of the firmament into Lake Van, in the mountains of Ararat, and into our 2nd Heaven, which was not surrounded by water. ALL of this happened on the 150th day AFTER the Flood began. Genesis 7 20-24 and Genesis 8:4
God's Truth is the Truth in every way. Our world has never and will never be destroyed in a Flood, but instead, will be burned. ll Peter 3:10 Christians will all be in the Third Heaven by that time. Genesis 2:1 That's God's Truth.
sooda
Veteran Member
Noah's flood is a myth.. Too many civilizations were uninterrupted and there is NO evidence of a world wide flood footprint.
There is flood sediment in the Euphrates River Basin where the flood story originated.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
More nonsense. Try to support your claims with valid links please.
Seve
Member
Dear Readers,
All humans are descended from Adam. It's the ONLY way to inherit his intelligence, which was like God's. You can NOT inherit human intelligence from an Ape. Apes don't have any Human intelligence, no matter how many billions of year he evolves. Ape intelligence is NOT the same as human intelligence because Apes DID NOT evolve from Adam - who is a special creation of the Lord.
All humans are descended from Adam. It's the ONLY way to inherit his intelligence, which was like God's. You can NOT inherit human intelligence from an Ape. Apes don't have any Human intelligence, no matter how many billions of year he evolves. Ape intelligence is NOT the same as human intelligence because Apes DID NOT evolve from Adam - who is a special creation of the Lord.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Just because you say so does not mean a thing. Humans do not appear to be that much brighter than other apes. You need to be able to somehow quantitize intelligence and demonstrate that there is an impossible gulf between humans and other apes. Warning, wild handflapping does not count as reason.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Exactly.
How about the Baha'i on this?
Even within Catholic theological circles, the issue of original sin is controversial. Personally, I don't accept it as taught, which is my right as a Catholic.
Nor do I believe in the literalness of Adam & Eve and feel that the narrative is more allegorical, and the Church very much accepts that as being a possibly valid interpretation.
Since the 1950's especially, the Church has increasingly been more accepting of the ToE as long as it's understood that God was behind it all However, on some other matters, such as o.s., the Church has not moved away from its traditional teaching on that based on what's found in the gospels, especially Paul's teachings on that.
How about the Baha'i and the ToE?
Seve
Member
Dear Evols,
Inside your own unbelieving body. You have the DNA of Mt. Eve...AND...the human intelligence of Adam. You, as a Species, inherited your DNA long BEFORE you evolved into a human being. Mt. Eve was NOT human. She did NOT descend from Adam. Did she?
You inherited Adam's superior intelligence from Adam, in the SAME way you got your DNA from Mt. Eve. The foolish Theory of Evolution wants you to believe the Fairy Tale that mindless Nature and long periods of time and uncounted mutations changed you into a Human. What Tripe. What foolishness.
The evidence that you descended from Adam, the first human, is overwhelming since NO Ape and NO other creature on the face of this Earth is able to carry on a conversion with either one of us, and NONE of them posts. That is because mindless Nature does NOT create Human intelligence in Apes, as some mindless Evols insist. You get it from your parents, and NO Ape has EVER evolved into a human. That's God's Truth.
BTW, God's Truth is the ONE Truth. God's Truth MUST agree in every way with every discovery of science and history, or it is NOT God's Truth. God's Truth exposes the biggest False assumption, in Science today, and that is the False Theory of Evolution. Evolution does not agree with scripture NOR history. That's because evolution is a Lie. What is referred to as MicroEvolution is nothing but Adaptation within kinds. Today's Science just doesn't know the difference in His kinds.
The Baha'i Faith scripture is not scientific on evolution. The Harmony of science and religion is a foundation principle of Baha'i understanding of science. In that concerning the physical nature of our universe the interpretation and understanding of scripture including Baha'i scripture must be by the light of the evolving nature of science. The Baha'i scripture does states that humans changed form (evolved) but the intent of God was always to be human, and rejects the materialist view of strictly a natural evolution without intent, Scientific evolution is a physical description from the human perspective. The application of Baha'i scripture is more a spiritual evolution.
Science and Religion | What Bahá’ís Believe
An Ever-Advancing Civilization
Science and Religion
Bahá’ís reject the notion that there is an inherent conflict between science and religion, a notion that became prevalent in intellectual discourse at a time when the very conception of each system of knowledge was far from adequate. The harmony of science and religion is one of the fundamental principles of the Bahá’í Faith, which teaches that religion, without science, soon degenerates into superstition and fanaticism, while science without religion becomes merely the instrument of crude materialism. “Religion,” according to the Bahá’í writings, “is the outer expression of the divine reality. Therefore, it must be living, vitalized, moving and progressive.”1 “Science is the first emanation from God toward man. All created things embody the potentiality of material perfection, but the power of intellectual investigation and scientific acquisition is a higher virtue specialized to man alone. Other beings and organisms are deprived of this potentiality and attainment.”2
So far as earthly existence is concerned, many of the greatest achievements of religion have been moral in character. Through its teachings and through the examples of human lives illumined by these teachings, masses of people in all ages and lands have developed the capacity to love, to give generously, to serve others, to forgive, to trust in God, and to sacrifice for the common good. Social structures and institutional systems have been devised that translate these moral advances into the norms of social life on a vast scale. In the final analysis, the spiritual impulses set in motion by the Founders of the world’s religions—the Manifestations of God—have been the chief influence in the civilizing of human character.
‘Abdu’l-Bahá has described science as the “most noble” of all human virtues and “the discoverer of all things”.3 Science has enabled society to separate fact from conjecture. Further, scientific capabilities—of observing, of measuring, of rigorously testing ideas—have allowed humanity to construct a coherent understanding of the laws and processes governing physical reality, as well as to gain insights into human conduct and the life of society.
Taken together, science and religion provide the fundamental organizing principles by which individuals, communities, and institutions function and evolve. When the material and spiritual dimensions of the life of a community are kept in mind and due attention is given to both scientific and spiritual knowledge, the tendency to reduce human progress to the consumption of goods, services and technological packages is avoided. Scientific knowledge, to take but one simple example, helps the members of a community to analyse the physical and social implications of a given technological proposal—say, its environmental impact—and spiritual insight gives rise to moral imperatives that uphold social harmony and that ensure technology serves the common good. Together, these two sources of knowledge are essential to the liberation of individuals and communities from the traps of ignorance and passivity. They are vital to the advancement of civilization.
Rest of the response in next post.