Why the theory of evolution is so important

[MJFlores]

My dead hamster used to have intelligence.

But you've changed the subject.

Must be a red herring that swam by. I don't know.

 

[MJFlores]

You didn't answer my questions, so let me repeat them: By chance, do you believe that God causes every single thing, no matter how minute, to happen? Also, are you certain there's only one God and not multiple Gods?

Sorry, just logged in.
Had to answer the call of nature.

For his chosen people, God causes every single thing - if he willed it.
For the rest of the world, no - God looks the other way and let them be.

I am certain there is one God as mentioned and taught by Christ as written in the Bible.

 

[metis]

I am certain there is one God as mentioned and taught by Christ as written in the Bible.

We're talking about science and objective evidence here on this thread, so what objectively-derived scientific evidence can you put forth that there is only one God? Please do not throw the question back at me as I'm asking you. After you answer, I can then give you my take if you wish.

 

[MJFlores]

We're talking about science and objective evidence here on this thread, so what objectively-derived scientific evidence can you put forth that there is only one God? Please do not throw the question back at me as I'm asking you. After you answer, I can then give you my take if you wish.

This tread is Evolution vs Creationism with a topic mentioned seen on the top page.
Why the theory of evolution is so important
Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Wild Fox, Apr 1, 2019.


I am in the position of Creationism
What objectively-derived scientific evidence can you put forth that there is only one God?
My answer: I am not a scientist so I cannot provide such evidence.
As a human being, I would derive my knowledge about God from what I see in His works
From what I read in His words
From this God given common sense which is greater than any objectively-derived scientific evidence
God has to be one
There is only one truth among many lies
And there cannot be many truths and one lie
Each of us have one father, not many fathers
Each of us have one mother, not many mothers
Tracing the human lineage back in time - we will end with one source
And that one is God

 

[metis]

My answer: I am not a scientist so I cannot provide such evidence.
As a human being, I would derive my knowledge about God from what I see in His works

That's fine as far as the issue of religious faith goes, but it's not sufficient for science, and the issue of evolution deals with science.

From this God given common sense which is greater than any objectively-derived scientific evidence

What is "common sense" to one person may be delusion to another. I do believe in the power of the Holy Spirit, but I also believe in the power of objective inquiry, so I prefer to use both.

God has to be one

How does God "has to be one"? If one is using "common sense", I would suggest that it is virtually impossible to eliminate polytheism from the realm of possibility. OTOH, one can indeed do as such with their faith, and that's quite acceptable to me on that basis.

 

[MJFlores]

How does God "has to be one"? If one is using "common sense", I would suggest that it is virtually impossible to eliminate polytheism from the realm of possibility. OTOH, one can indeed do as such with their faith, and that's quite acceptable to me on that basis.

How many fathers do you have?
I have one papa.
How many mothers do you have?
I have one mama

One papa and one mama = One parent.
If I am going to trace all papas and all mamas,
I would arrive at one source and that would be God

I did not use faith
However if I would say there was LUCA
and LUCA was even lower than the bacteria
Last universal common ancestor - Wikipedia

Then I would require great faith and probably a song to go with that faith

 

[metis]

One papa and one mama = One parent.

New math?

 

[Polymath257]

One papa and one mama = One parent.

Looks like two parents to me.

 

[MJFlores]

Looks like two parents to me.

Typo error
Sorry for that

 

[Polymath257]

Typo error
Sorry for that

That error sort of destroys the argument, doesn't it?

 

[MJFlores]

That error sort of destroys the argument, doesn't it?

Not really
It would if it is material to the whole.
Grammatical errors aren't material
as compared to factual errors
Example:

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Humans did NOT evolve from Apes and there is NO evidence which can stand when measured against God's Truth. Want to try to support the man-made, error filled, Theory of Evolution? I don't believe ANY of you can?

Well, if you decide in advance that "NO evidence" will stand against religious claims that are dogmatically believed a priori, then obviously no amount of evidence will ever suffice.

Discussion is therefor pointless.

 

[Polymath257]

Not really
It would if it is material to the whole.
Grammatical errors aren't material
as compared to factual errors
Example:

Well, your claim was that there had to be only *one* initial source. Your very example shows that having *two* causes is a possibility.

And, in fact, the vast majority of events do, in fact, have more than one cause, so we actually expect a multiplication of causes as we go back in time, not s decrease in the number. Now, there is some reduction from exponential expansion in the number of causes because there are times when more than one event has a common ancestral cause.But there is no good reason to think the number of causes is ever down to one.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The evidence that you descended from Adam, the first human, is overwhelming

Give me your BEST piece of evidence.

since NO Ape and NO other creature on the face of this Earth is able to carry on a conversion with either one of us, and NONE of them posts.

That's not evidence in support of the assertion above. At best, it's just an observation.
Like "no animal on earth can run as fast as a cheetah".

You get it from your parents, and NO Ape has EVER evolved into a human

Humans are apes.
It's impossible to come up with a definition of "ape", that includes all apes yet excludes humans.
And the same is true for "mammal" and "tetrapod" and "vertebrate" and....

Because humans are all of those things.

That's God's Truth.

No, that's your a priori dogmatic religious belief.

BTW, God's Truth is the ONE Truth. God's Truth MUST agree in every way with every discovery of science and history, or it is NOT God's Truth.

Then it's not, because it doesn't.

God's Truth exposes the biggest False assumption, in Science today, and that is the False Theory of Evolution. Evolution does not agree with scripture NOR history.

I just made a hilarious observation.
First you say that God's Truth MUST agree in every way with science.
In the next breath, you reject evolution theory (science) because it doesn't agree with your version of God's Truth.


Off course, if you reject all science as being "not science" that doesn't agree with your religious beliefs because it doesn't agree with your religious beliefs, then sure, "science" is in agreement with your religious beliefs.

What is referred to as MicroEvolution is nothing but Adaptation within kinds.

Which is what evolution is. However you wish to define "kind" (genus, order, family, take your pick), creatures always stay "within their kind".

Eukaryotes produce eukaryotes
Mammals produce mammals, which are eukaryotes.
Felines produce felines, which are mammals.
Lions produce lions, which are felines.

Dogs don't evolve into cats.
They evolve into sub-species of dog, which are dogs.

Just like primates evolve into sub-species of primates. One of which are humans.

Today's Science just doesn't know the difference in His kinds.

Well, thank goodness we have theologians like yourself who feel informed enough to tell biologists that they don't understand biology.

 

[viole]

New math?

I suppose that if you accept that three is like one, everything goes.

Ciao

- viole