Why the theory of evolution is so important

[Darkstorn]

Then you have discovered a distinction between our respective persons.

(I can understand English. His post is in English.)

/E: If you're still not convinced, his post says this: You need evidence of manufacture / fabrication to conclude design.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I think so, too.

Then perhaps you could try re-reading my post and responding to the things I wrote.

 

[Bear Wild]

But I don't have an electron microscope

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So I would settle for dust.

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And the song from the band Kansas, that too.

Out of ignorance. Dust is not specific and may have to reference to anything related to life. So that is what you would settle for. What does the band Kansas know about evolution. Please explain.

 

[Bear Wild]

That would be strange matter.



Watches are not designed, they grow naturally.



Watches are not made by intelligent beings, there is no human is intelligent.



Man has no intelligence, just life like amoeba.



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This is house is so old, nobody built it
A series of tornadoes and storms built it over the years
A freak case of natural phenomena

Worst argument in a long time. Watches are made from humans but that has nothing to do with evolution. People build things, but that does not make them important. Intelligence was created through evolution as a social mechanism and as a means for survival. This is demonstrated throughout the animal world and even plant world.

 

[MJFlores]

Out of ignorance. Dust is not specific and may have to reference to anything related to life. So that is what you would settle for. What does the band Kansas know about evolution. Please explain.

We are really dust and that is what the Bible say:

Genesis 3:19 New International Version (NIV)
By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”

Worst argument in a long time. Watches are made from humans but that has nothing to do with evolution. People build things, but that does not make them important. Intelligence was created through evolution as a social mechanism and as a means for survival. This is demonstrated throughout the animal world and even plant world.

Well according to a doctor there are things that humans can do which animals couldn't.
The Seven Things That Only Human Beings Can Do

But I say there are too many to enumerate - make a watch is one, build a house is another.

 

[Darkstorn]

*insert implied facepalm here*

 

[SkepticThinker]

I know a watch which tells time was designed by a watchmaker
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If the watchmaker isn't intelligent, then we won't have watches to use now or in the past

If Intelligence is a natural, emergent property of physical forces interacting in space over time.
Then life should be much common in all planets and all moons in the known universe.
And should be on the edge of our solar system's habitable zone
https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/review/dr-marc-solar-system/life-on-mars.html

If you see patterns, I believe you see design.
Oh the above picture is just for pollens not other Earth's microscopic subjects.

I see faces in clouds; does that mean clouds are designed to have faces in them? I've seen a rock that looks like Richard Nixon; does that mean that rock was designed to look like Richard Nixon?
Answer: Nope. Just because our brains are wired to find patterns doesn't mean everything we can find a pattern in is designed.

 

[MJFlores]

I see faces in clouds; does that mean clouds are designed to have faces in them? I've seen a rock that looks like Richard Nixon; does that mean that rock was designed to look like Richard Nixon?
Answer: Nope. Just because our brains are wired to find patterns doesn't mean everything we can find a pattern in is designed.

Ah you are talking about accidental and random patterns.
Which do not occur frequently.
Not consistently observed to reach a definite conclusion.

But when this patterns occur consistently and uniformly,
then this becomes an intelligent design.

there were approximately 400,000 types of flowering plant species in the world
How Many Types of Flowers Are There in the World?
That would be 400,000 different designs and varieties.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Ah you are talking about accidental and random patterns.
Which do not occur frequently.
Not consistently observed to reach a definite conclusion.

No, they occur quite frequently. I've even seen faces in toast and in the comforter on my bed. I've seen faces in the corners of my room, late at night, in the dark. I see them in many things, which used to freak me out until I realized how the human brain works and that others see them as well.

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But when this patterns occur consistently and uniformly,
then this becomes an intelligent design.

there were approximately 400,000 types of flowering plant species in the world
How Many Types of Flowers Are There in the World?
That would be 400,000 different designs and varieties.

These are the result of the changes in allele frequencies in populations over successive generations - aka, evolution.

You don't just get to claim that it's intelligent design. Sorry. You'd need to demonstrate that. And you'd need to demonstrate it in light of the fact that the human brain is wired to seek patterns.

 

[MJFlores]

These are the result of the changes in allele frequencies in populations over successive generations - aka, evolution.

You don't just get to claim that it's intelligent design. Sorry. You'd need to demonstrate that. And you'd need to demonstrate it in light of the fact that the human brain is wired to seek patterns.

I'm sure you are an intelligent person.
Intelligence is something that isn't found naturally in nature.
Plants do not have brains nor the amoeba

No, they occur quite frequently. I've even seen faces in toast and in the comforter on my bed. I've seen faces in the corners of my room, late at night, in the dark. I see them in many things, which used to freak me out until I realized how the human brain works and that others see them as well.

 

[metis]

I'm sure you are an intelligent person.
Intelligence is something that isn't found naturally in nature.
Plants do not have brains nor the amoeba

Yes and no.

Plants have enough "intelligence" to know when to come out or dormancy, which way to grow, how to respond to stressful environmental conditions, how to go back into dormancy, etc. Also, believe it or not, they also feel and react to "pain" according to researchers.

 

[MJFlores]

Yes and no.

Plants have enough "intelligence" to know when to come out or dormancy, which way to grow, how to respond to stressful environmental conditions, how to go back into dormancy, etc. Also, believe it or not, they also feel and react to "pain" according to researchers.

If there are intelligent plants then their maker must be much more intelligent too.

 

[We Never Know]

Yes and no.

Plants have enough "intelligence" to know when to come out or dormancy, which way to grow, how to respond to stressful environmental conditions, how to go back into dormancy, etc. Also, believe it or not, they also feel and react to "pain" according to researchers.

Do you believe everything is intelligent? Bacteria, virus, mosquito, disease, etc.

 

[metis]

If there are intelligent plants then their maker must be much more intelligent too.

You might might want to read what I posted at the top of my posts where it says "Religion".

By chance, do you believe that God causes every single thing, no matter how minute, to happen? Also, are you certain there's only one God and not multiple Gods?

 

[metis]

Do you believe everything is intelligent? Bacteria, virus, mosquito, disease, etc.

In their own way, yes.

BTW, there are almost 200 aspects to intelligence in humans to varying degrees, according to psychologists.

 

[MJFlores]

You might might want to read what I posted at the top of my posts where it says "Religion".

By chance, do you believe that God causes every single thing, no matter how minute, to happen? Also, are you certain there's only one God and not multiple Gods?

Are you sure you're "Catholic-- liberal & ecumenical"
Oh Catholics believe in 3 in 1 god
I used to believe that poop too, a long time ago.

I believe God is the intelligent designer behind every creation
Every creature, every microbial organism, every element in the periodic table, every star, everything
He did that in six days.

I believe in one God
this one God is even mentioned in the Catholic bible
which you should be reading, if you are Catholic.

1 Corinthians 8:6 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

 

[Darkstorn]

^^ 100% proselytizing.

 

[SkepticThinker]

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I'm sure you are an intelligent person.
Intelligence is something that isn't found naturally in nature.
Plants do not have brains nor the amoeba
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Sure it is. I have intelligence. You have intelligence. My dog has intelligence. My dead hamster used to have intelligence.

But you've changed the subject. Perhaps you could point out why you've done that.

 

[metis]

I used to believe that poop too, a long time ago.

Now that you have established your hate-fulled and utterly arrogant bigoted position with a "know it all" approach, ...

He did that in six days.

Which defies what we know, not just believe, about how Earth and our universe evolved. I used to believe as you do, but then I went and studied the science behind it and also biblical theology.

I believe in one God
this one God is even mentioned in the Catholic bible
which you should be reading, if you are Catholic.

I taught theology for many years, and it's the utter arrogance and bigoted words like you're using that all too often turns people off to Christianity, and sometimes even religion itself.

You do far more harm to the faith than you do good as pretty much nobody is going to be swayed by such anti-Christian behavior. Jesus taught "love one another", so why is it so hard for you to understand that very simple message?

And this from the Tanakh: Micah 6[8] He has showed you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness,
and to walk humbly with your God?

Now, are you going to blow that off as well?

 

[metis]

I believe God is the intelligent designer behind every creation
Every creature, every microbial organism, every element in the periodic table, every star, everything

You didn't answer my questions, so let me repeat them: By chance, do you believe that God causes every single thing, no matter how minute, to happen? Also, are you certain there's only one God and not multiple Gods?