Why the theory of evolution is so important

[MJFlores]

I don't think there is much of anything that every single scientist on the planet agree on, but that doesn't really matter too much. The vast, vast majority of scientists believe the theory of evolution by natural selection is true (at least to some extent). And, science certainly supports the theory. There really has not been any evidence that contradicts the theory.

There really has not been any evidence that contradicts the theory.
The evidence is - "Nothing made everything" really contradicts the theory.

 

[MJFlores]

How do you know this? How can you tell the ethnicity of others on here that do not provide that information. What is it supposed to mean anyway? It is prejudicial bigotry that has nothing to do with the discussion.

The facts of your origin or my origin do not change my opinion of what you post.

There is a young woman on here that claims Asian origin as well, but I agree with her because she has a keen mind and is often correct. Not because of her ethnicity. Are you saying that you would disagree with me, simply because you believe I am from another ethnic group?

My ethnic group says I'm just an innocent bystander who happens to surrender the smoking gun after picking it up from the pavement.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

My ethnic group says I'm just an innocent bystander who happens to surrender the smoking gun after picking it up from the pavement.

I have no idea what you mean here and it adds nothing to explaining anything you have asserted.

 

[MJFlores]

Both, Creation by natural methods.

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Bahá’ís reject the notion that there is an inherent conflict between science and religion, a notion that became prevalent in intellectual discourse at a time when the very conception of each system of knowledge was far from adequate. The harmony of science and religion is one of the fundamental principles of the Bahá’í Faith, which teaches that religion, without science, soon degenerates into superstition and fanaticism, while science without religion becomes merely the instrument of crude materialism. “Religion,” according to the Bahá’í writings, “is the outer expression of the divine reality. Therefore, it must be living, vitalized, moving and progressive.”1 “Science is the first emanation from God toward man. All created things embody the potentiality of material perfection, but the power of intellectual investigation and scientific acquisition is a higher virtue specialized to man alone. Other beings and organisms are deprived of this potentiality and attainment.”2

So far as earthly existence is concerned, many of the greatest achievements of religion have been moral in character. Through its teachings and through the examples of human lives illumined by these teachings, masses of people in all ages and lands have developed the capacity to love, to give generously, to serve others, to forgive, to trust in God, and to sacrifice for the common good. Social structures and institutional systems have been devised that translate these moral advances into the norms of social life on a vast scale. In the final analysis, the spiritual impulses set in motion by the Founders of the world’s religions—the Manifestations of God—have been the chief influence in the civilizing of human character.

‘Abdu’l-Bahá has described science as the “most noble” of all human virtues and “the discoverer of all things”.3 Science has enabled society to separate fact from conjecture. Further, scientific capabilities—of observing, of measuring, of rigorously testing ideas—have allowed humanity to construct a coherent understanding of the laws and processes governing physical reality, as well as to gain insights into human conduct and the life of society.

Taken together, science and religion provide the fundamental organizing principles by which individuals, communities, and institutions function and evolve. When the material and spiritual dimensions of the life of a community are kept in mind and due attention is given to both scientific and spiritual knowledge, the tendency to reduce human progress to the consumption of goods, services and technological packages is avoided. Scientific knowledge, to take but one simple example, helps the members of a community to analyse the physical and social implications of a given technological proposal—say, its environmental impact—and spiritual insight gives rise to moral imperatives that uphold social harmony and that ensure technology serves the common good. Together, these two sources of knowledge are essential to the liberation of individuals and communities from the traps of ignorance and passivity. They are vital to the advancement of civilization.

I did ask one of your members in the Baha'i
What happens if the Bible says something and the other books says another
This apparently is the realization of my query.
Thanks for the clarification.

 

[MJFlores]

I used to teach a comparative religions course whereas we went to services in other denominations and religions, and whereas I also used to bring in speakers from various denominations, including the CoC

Also my wife and I had an incident whereas our 10 year old (roughly) daughter was going on a "Joy Bus" to a local CoC, and one day after going there she came home crying because she was told that she wasn't baptized, and when she told them that she was, they continued to say that she wasn't. I blew my stack on that because what kind of decent person would confront a 10 year old in that way?

So, the church.sent out a representative and she immediately turned on the hard sell. However, what she didn't know is that I grew up in a fundamentalist Protestant church and knew the positions and arguments since I had thoughts about going into the ministry. And because I had dated a Catholic woman when doing my undergrad work, I had taken two Catholic theology classes to boot so I knew the counter argument quite well. Needless to say, she didn't win us over-- not even close. And the parents of other girl who went to that church with our daughter pulled her out after that incident as well.

And that's fine as I don't believe in a "one size fits all" approach-- "different strokes for different folks". .

Where did your 10 yo daughter went?

W 8 Mile Rd
Farmington Hills, Michigan


Barnes Research Office Building
4920 Plainfield Avenue NE
Grand Rapids, Michigan

16 1/2 Mile Road
Sterling Heights, MI
48312, USA

Goldenview Drive
Battle Creek, MI

If none of these, then it must be another CoC as there are different CoC.

 

[MJFlores]

I come in peace!

Just think of a rich chemical soup full of various atoms which have combined into various molecules. Molecules interact with each other in a variety of ways and cause changes including...

Two molecules will combine
One molecule will cause another to break down
One molecule will cause another molecule to change shape

In each case when molecules interact this may lead to patterns of further long term interaction. This might be especially true inside of a more closed environment like a cell.

With molecules more or less bouncing around and interacting one might be tempted to think nothing interesting will ever happen. But, in fact, interesting things do happen. Sometimes an interaction or a series of interactions leads to a condition that promotes more interactions. If this is true then you have a rudimentary form of self-replication.

Some molecules called catalysts can also be a part of an interaction between two molecules. Sometimes the catalyst is an essential part making it a necessary piece for the other two to be able to react. Some molecular interactions produce the catalysts that promote further similar interactions. These are called auto-catalytic.

Complex chains of molecular interaction create loops and branches which all can feedback on each other in a dynamic and creative way. It is likely that in this context the organelles that eventually developed into those that collaboratively set up shop together within a lipid membrane and called themselves a cell, did so as a result of the evolution of these molecular interactions. These evolved organelles tended garden together in what became the earliest cells. Those cells which developed a behaviour of reproducing themselves by mitosis eventually became so numerous, diverse and dynamically interactive that they became the basis for multi-cellular organisms which had some of the very same traits.

Now, the more one learns about evolution the more it seems that these large scale cellular organisms with the ability to do their macro-things , they also retain so many abilities such as digestion, excretion, reproduction and immune systems which are their ancient inheritance from their pre-cellular days. This seems to me to so convincingly point back to the time when life evolved from non-life that it would take a vary curious intellect not to look out over the vast knowledge and experience we have of evolution and not see this as an out-growth of such similar processes we know of taking place at the sub-cellular level.

I would have understood it in pictures

 

[MJFlores]

Apes are not man's ancestors. We had a common ancestor which we branched off from and evolved independently from. Apes today are as different from their ancestors as we are. They likely wouldn't be compatible with their ancestors either.

It was a fantastic convoluted story

Anatomical clues to human evolution from fish
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[Subduction Zone]

I am not a believer on Evolution
An Evolution which no person has observed
An Evolution with really require Faith to believe
The faith that nothing made everything

If that is the case then God's 6 day creation makes a lot more sense
It is were somebody [God] made everything

But we have observed it several ways. You are using a faulty definition of "observe". There is no faith required to accept the theory of evolution. Faith is your weakness. Don't try to claim that others guilty of your sin. That is a breaking of the Ninth Commandment on your part.

And no, your myth only "makes sense" to you because you will not learn. So you call your God a liar instead.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It was a fantastic convoluted story

Anatomical clues to human evolution from fish
By Dr Michael Mosley BBC
Human clues to our fish ancestry

Meet the Ancient Reptile that Gave Rise to Mammals
Cynodonts, which looked like scaly rats, roamed Brazil 235 million years ago
By Laura Geggel, LiveScience on October 6, 2016
Meet the Ancient Reptile that Gave Rise to Mammals

We have still not found the missing link between us and apes
There was once an animal that was an ancestor to both humans and apes. But what was it like?
By Colin Barras 18 May 2017
We have still not found the missing link between us and apes

Wow so much wrong. Try to rely on scientific sources, not popular sources.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I would have understood it in pictures

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I really doubt that you would.

 

[David T]

Why is the theory of evolution so important?

The earth being the center of the universe may have been the first major conflict between religion and the developing science but the theory of evolution now remains the center for conflict. So why is this theory so important to discuss?

I am proposing three reasons

1. Unlike any other explanations for the how life came about evolution is the only one discovered rather than created in the past. Developed over time through careful observation despite what one would desire to believe. The theory crosses all nationalities and religions. As the evidence increased it developed increasing more depth rather than contradiction. It is our one explanation not depended on faith but one what is measured and observed.

2. As important, the theory of evolution shows just how we are related to all life in this world. Different than many creations stories that separate humans from all other life, evolution shows we come from shared ancestry and shared genetics most of which are well preserved through all life forms. All life has differences which make them unique yet evolution we share too much with other life forms to see ourselves as separate.

3. Most important of all the theories Evolution and Ecology intertwine and show just how much we are intimately interconnected. No organism lives alone but all are interdependent and developed the intimate relationships in time shaped by the environmental opportunities and selective pressures. Humans and animals cannot exist without plants cannot, flowers without pollinators fail to reproduce, bacteria are essential for digestion for so many animals, and trees communicate and support each other through fungi. Evolution theory with Ecology theory in combination are the only explanation for this relationship and to ignore this interdependence is to face the fate of so many creatures before us – extinction.

Oh this is so silly. Darwin observed life interconnected and created narrative. Only a half wit culture intellectually inbred would find Darwin either profound or offensive. A dog is an evolutionist big frigging deal only an idiot would deny that.

St Francis said the exact same thing as Darwin 800 years before. He called it family of God. I might say that's more clear headed than "natural selecting" hahahaha bwaaaah stupid. My dad was a naturally selecting cow breeder apparently he is evolution itself. Know your history.

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[MJFlores]

But we have observed it several ways. You are using a faulty definition of "observe". There is no faith required to accept the theory of evolution. Faith is your weakness. Don't try to claim that others guilty of your sin. That is a breaking of the Ninth Commandment on your part.

And no, your myth only "makes sense" to you because you will not learn. So you call your God a liar instead.

So what animal did you observe and witnessed which turned into another kind of animal?
Seeing is believing as atheist say.

Oh my, 10 Commandments? Only Israelites and Jews observe those commandments.
It was given to the Israelites, am I correct?
Are we Israelites? There are no more Israelites in this day, only Israelis.
Which is a far cry from being Semitic woman from Gal Gadot [wonder woman].

I don't observe the 4th so why should I worry about the 9th?

 

[MJFlores]

Wow so much wrong. Try to rely on scientific sources, not popular sources.

Scientific American, National Geo and BBC - Hellerrrr?

Anatomical clues to human evolution from fish
By Dr Michael Mosley BBC
Human clues to our fish ancestry

Meet the Ancient Reptile that Gave Rise to Mammals
Cynodonts, which looked like scaly rats, roamed Brazil 235 million years ago
By Laura Geggel, LiveScience on October 6, 2016
Meet the Ancient Reptile that Gave Rise to Mammals

We have still not found the missing link between us and apes
There was once an animal that was an ancestor to both humans and apes. But what was it like?
By Colin Barras 18 May 2017
We have still not found the missing link between us and apes

 

[Subduction Zone]

So what animal did you observe and witnessed which turned into another kind of animal?
Seeing is believing as atheist say.

Oh my, 10 Commandments? Only Israelites and Jews observe those commandments.
It was given to the Israelites, am I correct?
Are we Israelites? There are no more Israelites in this day, only Israelis.
Which is a far cry from being Semitic woman from Gal Gadot [wonder woman].

I don't observe the 4th so why should I worry about the 9th?

You have already been told that description of.evolution is wrong. Why did you repeat it?

Try again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Scientific American, National Geo and BBC - Hellerrrr?

Anatomical clues to human evolution from fish
By Dr Michael Mosley BBC
Human clues to our fish ancestry

Meet the Ancient Reptile that Gave Rise to Mammals
Cynodonts, which looked like scaly rats, roamed Brazil 235 million years ago
By Laura Geggel, LiveScience on October 6, 2016
Meet the Ancient Reptile that Gave Rise to Mammals

We have still not found the missing link between us and apes
There was once an animal that was an ancestor to both humans and apes. But what was it like?
By Colin Barras 18 May 2017
We have still not found the missing link between us and apes

Your last article is wrong. The others are not bad.

 

[MJFlores]

You have already been told that description of.evolution is wring. Why did you repeatit?

Try again.

Which is right then?

This is the video that you presented and then asked me if I saw it.
I made a screen shot of this evolution chart.
Do you see the portion of where the human being is?
Can you trace back the evo lines?
Does it tell you
Protozoa--->Fish----->Lizard------->Ape-------->Man

Isn't that wrong? This is the screen shot of the video you presented.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Which is right then?
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This is the video that you presented and then asked me if I saw it.
I made a screen shot of this evolution chart.
Do you see the portion of where the human being is?
Can you trace back the evo lines?
Does it tell you
Protozoa--->Fish----->Lizard------->Ape-------->Man

Isn't that wrong? This is the screen shot of the video you presented.

You imply that men are no longer apes, which is wrong. And that is not a lizard. They evolved after the split with that common ancestor.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Also that was a very very simplified video.to get you started. I can link a much more detailed series that traces our evolution from single called life to us. It is quite her forty videos long and almost finished. Would you like to begin watching it?

 

[Subduction Zone]

A bit more technical, and very limited subject matter, but much more correct and thorough as a result. You may need some terms defined:

 

[Subduction Zone]

Part II: