Why the trinity is false

[Starlight]

God is not a man, so he does not lie. He is not human, so he does not change his mind. Has he ever spoken and failed to act? Has he ever promised and not carried it through? Numbers 23:19

I believe this verse prove the trinity is wrong.

Jesus was also a Jew. He prayed to God the father, Jahve. He believed in strong monotheism

What do you think?

 

[LuisDantas]

I just don't see how a Christian might decide that his god has no avatars.

What would stop it?

 

[Starlight]

I just don't see how a Christian might decide that his god has no avatars.

What would stop it?

Why do you not see that a christian might decide that God has no avatars?

 

[LuisDantas]

Why do you not see that a christian might decide that God has no avatars?

I may have made a poor choice of words. My apologies.

Christians may of course believe that their God has avatars (classically Jesus, arguably the Holy Ghost) or that it does not.

But to state that it can not possibly have any strikes me as a bit contradictory, given how many mysteries, transcendental exceptions and exceptional situations are usually associated with that God.

Surely an uncreated creator of Existence itself could have multiple forms, including human incarnations, if it saw fit to. Would that even count as changing its mind? It seems to me that it is a trivial exercise of theology to claim that it was predetermined that it would want an incarnation at a certain point of human history.

 

[Nakosis]

God is not a man, so he does not lie. He is not human, so he does not change his mind. Has he ever spoken and failed to act? Has he ever promised and not carried it through? Numbers 23:19

I believe this verse prove the trinity is wrong.

Jesus was also a Jew. He prayed to God the father, Jahve. He believed in strong monotheism

What do you think?

The Trinity was taught to me as a mystery of faith. Not something that could be understood by moral man unless it has been revealed by God.
You have faith in God, you have faith in the Bible, you have faith in the mystery of the Trinity.

You decide to not have faith in this one thing you can't understand among all of the other things you are required to have faith because of something you read in the Bible.
Someone else chooses to continue to have faith in the Trinity accepting that God has not yet revealed this understanding to them.

When you start with faith it seems a little late to complain what someone else chooses to have faith in.

 

[walt]

Jesus said,
Here is something to think about.. Did Jesus ever talk about 3 persons being one God? Was he ever accused of teaching three persons are one God? Did his followers talk about three persons being one God? Did the apostles? Did the Greeks or the Romans or strangers of any kind Accuse Jesus of this teaching? No! Jesus did say: “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” --Jn.20:17 "in my opinion" most everyone understood Jesus father was God, why? This is what Jesus explained was true.. Matthew 16:13–16 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?” 14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” 15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” "I believe" Jesus words are so much more important than what I think is true or anyone else!

 

[soulsurvivor]

God is not a man, so he does not lie. He is not human, so he does not change his mind. Has he ever spoken and failed to act? Has he ever promised and not carried it through? Numbers 23:19

I believe this verse prove the trinity is wrong.

Jesus was also a Jew. He prayed to God the father, Jahve. He believed in strong monotheism

What do you think?

Don't you believe in the Goddess? The Holy Spirit is essentially the female aspect of God although most Christians have not recognized that yet.

Some Christians do acknowledge it: THE HOLY SPIRIT IS FEMALE! | Saint Cecilia Catholic Community

 

[Starlight]

Don't you believe in the Goddess? The Holy Spirit is essentially the female aspect of God although most Christians have not recognized that yet.

Some Christians do acknowledge it: THE HOLY SPIRIT IS FEMALE! | Saint Cecilia Catholic Community

I believe God has no gender. God is female and male at the same time. I do not believe in the trinity. I believe in strict monoteism

BUT

It is great that some christians now believe that the holy spirit is female. Because for too long
people have only seen God as a male

 

[Starlight]

The Trinity was taught to me as a mystery of faith. Not something that could be understood by moral man unless it has been revealed by God.
You have faith in God, you have faith in the Bible, you have faith in the mystery of the Trinity.

You decide to not have faith in this one thing you can't understand among all of the other things you are required to have faith because of something you read in the Bible.
Someone else chooses to continue to have faith in the Trinity accepting that God has not yet revealed this understanding to them.

When you start with faith it seems a little late to complain what someone else chooses to have faith in.

I like the idea that the trinity is a mystery. That make most sense, to just accept that we can not fully understand God.

 

[Starlight]

I may have made a poor choice of words. My apologies.

Christians may of course believe that their God has avatars (classically Jesus, arguably the Holy Ghost) or that it does not.

But to state that it can not possibly have any strikes me as a bit contradictory, given how many mysteries, transcendental exceptions and exceptional situations are usually associated with that God.

Surely an uncreated creator of Existence itself could have multiple forms, including human incarnations, if it saw fit to. Would that even count as changing its mind? It seems to me that it is a trivial exercise of theology to claim that it was predetermined that it would want an incarnation at a certain point of human history.

You do not need to apologize

You do have a good point. Humans can not fully understand God. God is bigger than our minds. It is true yes that God can be one and tree at the same time. To God all things is possible

BUT the problem is that i believe the Bible to not teach the trinity. I believe the Bible teach strict monotheism.

 

[Rival]

You do not need to apologize

You do have a good point. Humans can not fully understand God. God is bigger than our minds. It is true yes that God can be one and tree at the same time. To God all things is possible

BUT the problem is that i believe the Bible to not teach the trinity. I believe the Bible teach strict monotheism.

If you believe Jesus is God, you can get binitarianism.

There are also other questions like, who is the Angel of the Lord, which does appear to be God Himself?

Who was God speaking to when He said 'Let Us make man in Our image'?

Etc.

 

[walt]

If you believe Jesus is God, you can get binitarianism.

There are also other questions like, who is the Angel of the Lord, which does appear to be God Himself?

Who was God speaking to when He said 'Let Us make man in Our image'?

Etc.

A voice from heaven says this is my son, apostle Peter You are the Messiah the son of the Living God, Jesus enemies wanted to kill him because he claimed to be the Son of God, Jesus says your father is my father your God is my God, It is prophesied in the book of Isaiah 9:6 a child will be born and he will rule a kingdom forever and he will be called Mighty God. "In my opinion" We can believe The testimony of Prophecy, Angels, a voice from heaven, Jesus himself, Apostle Peter and many others in the bible Jesus words and the Bible is a Compilation of many words Would it not be good for us to follow these words specifically rather than ideas People think they have figured out?
Follow specific instructions by Jesus and the Apostles instead of conclusions drawn from Instructions Jesus in the Apostles never gave?

Matthew 3:17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” New International Version

Matt.16:16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” NIV

John 19:7 The Jewish leaders insisted, “We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God.” NIV

John 20:17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders...And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,...
verse 7. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom...forever.

Lk.1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: King James Version

 

[Fool]

God is not a man, so he does not lie. He is not human, so he does not change his mind. Has he ever spoken and failed to act? Has he ever promised and not carried it through? Numbers 23:19

I believe this verse prove the trinity is wrong.

Jesus was also a Jew. He prayed to God the father, Jahve. He believed in strong monotheism

What do you think?

god is definitely a triad of sorts

god is a creator, the created, and the creating

or mind, body, spirit complex.

 

[walt]

god is definitely a triad of sorts

god is a creator, the created, and the creating

or mind, body, spirit complex.

"In my opinion' i just try to follow a specific instructions if there is one and most of the time if you keep looking you will find one or many.
sorry i am a new member i did not realize you were probably not talking to me..

 

[walt]

If you believe Jesus is God, you can get binitarianism.

There are also other questions like, who is the Angel of the Lord, which does appear to be God Himself?

Who was God speaking to when He said 'Let Us make man in Our image'?

Etc.

I believe God was talking about when he made man in our image.. The "our" is definitely talking about more than one, Jesus was there.. at John 17:1 Jesus talks to his father "before the world began".

17:1 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

 

[walt]

"I believe it is important to find scripture to back up my belief"
We discover in the Bible God speaks to people by an angel many times. The angel even says he is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Ex.3:2,4,6; Acts 7:29-32

Exodus 3:2 There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up.
4 When the Lord saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, “Moses! Moses!”
Ex.3:6 Then he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.” At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God.

Acts 7:29 When Moses heard this, he fled to Midian, where he settled as a foreigner and had two sons.30 “After forty years had passed, an angel appeared to Moses in the flames of a burning bush in the desert near Mount Sinai. 31 When he saw this, he was amazed at the sight. As he went over to get a closer look, he heard the Lord say: 32 ‘I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.’ Moses trembled with fear and did not dare to look.

 

[walt]

"I believe it is important to find scripture to back up my belief"
We discover in the Bible God speaks to people by an angel many times. The angel even says he is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Ex.3:2,4,6; Acts 7:29-32

Exodus 3:2 There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up.
4 When the Lord saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, “Moses! Moses!”
Ex.3:6 Then he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.” At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God.

Acts 7:29 When Moses heard this, he fled to Midian, where he settled as a foreigner and had two sons.30 “After forty years had passed, an angel appeared to Moses in the flames of a burning bush in the desert near Mount Sinai. 31 When he saw this, he was amazed at the sight. As he went over to get a closer look, he heard the Lord say: 32 ‘I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.’ Moses trembled with fear and did not dare to look.

The Israelites could have started a belief way back in the time of Moses, a type of a Trinity including angels.. I would think it is especially more important to be directed by specific instructions, specific testimony rather than something that was never said.

 

[1213]

God is not a man, so he does not lie. He is not human, so he does not change his mind. Has he ever spoken and failed to act? Has he ever promised and not carried it through? Numbers 23:19

I believe this verse prove the trinity is wrong.

Jesus was also a Jew. He prayed to God the father, Jahve. He believed in strong monotheism

What do you think?

I think you have a good point. Jesus told there is only one true God who is greater than him. He didn't speak anything about Trinity.

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
… the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Tim. 2:5

 

[Fool]

"In my opinion' i just try to follow a specific instructions if there is one and most of the time if you keep looking you will find one or many.
sorry i am a new member i did not realize you were probably not talking to me..

love is the law. the whole of the law. you either within the law or subject to it but nothing is above it. love above all

 

[Fool]

I think you have a good point. Jesus told there is only one true God who is greater than him. He didn't speak anything about Trinity.

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
… the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Tim. 2:5

there is the father, the begotten/created, and the spirit.

blasphemy against those two can be forgiven because they are not totally about self, but blasphemy against the spirit is self-condemnation.