Why the world must support Macron

[stvdv]

I am not understanding Erdoğan in this video...
He says Macron should acknowledge the freedom of belief of a religious minority...does this imply they deserve a special treatment? A privileged status?
À Paris fais comme les Parisiens, cher monsieur

Thank you for sharing this video. Great and clear short fragment, illustrating Erdoğan perfectly. I understand Erdoğan in this video. IMO he indirectly encourages Muslim terrorism in France (by not accepting Macron's solution) AND even wants to impose his ruling on France (it's none of his business what France does in it's own country; Freedom of Religion is a personal thing, not a state thing; when it gets a state thing, it gets easily sick).

Erdoğan imposing on France alone is enough to be even more strict towards Islam in France (stop the fungus as early as possible). This is proof that in thought and word Erdoğan has already military attacked France (the actual deed is just a small next step); he has no respect that a country decides for themselves how to curb Religion based terrorism (he seems really like a Hitler to me here). Just imagine for 1 second that we want to introduce western values/religions in any Muslim world, and making such demands. Small example: women dressing western style. The moment they allow the westerners to live how they want in the Middle East then they have a right to make demands, only then.

Erdoğan wants to fill in France Law and childishly belittles Macron. That would be okay for me, if Islam would let the west edit their Koran; take out all the violent verses AND all the verses that causes Muslim terrorists to commit terrorist acts.

Macron gave a perfect grown up reply to the childish accusation of Erdoğan here (5m17s)

Below the full 7min video of above link

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I don’t think it disappears, it is only replaced by other religion. In this case it seems it would be Macroism, where he is the supreme lord.

It's just secular humanism.
And Macron simply has the courage to put his foot down and step up for it.

But, I don’t think religion is the problem

That's pure denial of the reality of the matter.

The problem is that people want to do evil things. It will not end by limiting freedom of people.

You don't seem to understand.
It's the islamic terrorists who want to limit freedom.

It may end, if people are taught well what is right and wrong.

And why, and that, as opposed to getting their moral "values" from their radical imams.

And if someone does wrong things, then he deserves judgment.

And the people deserves protection from organized evil, like radical islam.
And the organized evil must be stood up against.

 

[Estro Felino]

Thank you for sharing this video. Great and clear short fragment, illustrating Erdoğan perfectly. I understand Erdoğan in this video. IMO he indirectly encourages Muslim terrorism in France (by not accepting Macron's solution) AND even wants to impose his ruling on France (it's none of his business what France does in it's own country; Freedom of Religion is a personal thing, not a state thing; when it gets a state thing, it gets easily sick).

Erdoğan imposing on France alone is enough to be even more strict towards Islam in France (stop the fungus as early as possible). This is proof that in thought and word Erdoğan has already military attacked France (the actual deed is just a small next step); he has no respect that a country decides for themselves how to curb Religion based terrorism (he seems really like a Hitler to me here). Just imagine for 1 second that we want to introduce western values/religions in any Muslim world, and making such demands. Small example: women dressing western style. The moment they allow the westerners to live how they want in the Middle East then they have a right to make demands, only then.

Erdoğan wants to fill in France Law and childishly belittles Macron. That would be okay for me, if Islam would let the west edit their Koran; take out all the violent verses AND all the verses that causes Muslim terrorists to commit terrorist acts.

Macron gave a perfect grown up reply to the childish accusation of Erdoğan here (5m17s)

Below the full 7min video of above link

I respect him as the leader of his nation. Turks are perfectly integrated in Europe...in my country too.
The problem is not individuals. The problem is the politicized religion, and Erdoğan is the religious-political leader of it.
He expects Europeans to give a particular religion (his) a privileged status. On the basis of this reasoning " Since Enlightenment has never taken place in the Middle East".
I think he wants to normalize the double standards.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I did not know that word (eeew), thanks for updating my vocabulary (3 e's out of 4; quite unique word)

No worries. Next time I'll teach you 'blargle'.

I did not get this eeew feeling though. He just shared his opinion, that he did not like Macron, and preferred the other. Perfect reply even, IMO.

My 'eeew' reaction was strictly about Le Pen. Nothing to do with Frankie. @Saint Frankenstein knows that, I'm sure. (I hope!!!)

 

[stvdv]

I respect him as the leader of his nation. Turks are perfectly integrated in Europe...in my country too.
The problem is not individuals. The problem is the politicized religion, and Erdoğan is the religious-political leader of it.
He expects Europeans to give a particular religion (his) a privileged status. On the basis of this reasoning " Since Enlightenment has never taken place in the Middle East".
I think he wants to normalize the double standards.

But his childish belittling reply was so not political correct, nor religious correct, nor humanistic correct.

Normal reply would have been "I understand that Macron is doing this, due to the many Muslim terrorist attacks in France, and I agree fully that this can't be tolerated; such Muslims are a disgrace to Islam. I do hope that in his effort to tackle the problem, he keeps respecting Islam, so that the French Muslims can continue their religious practices".

How he replied tells me a lot about his real intentions.

 

[viole]

I am not understanding Erdoğan in this video...
He says Macron should acknowledge the freedom of belief of a religious minority...does this imply they deserve a special treatment? A privileged status?
À Paris fais comme les Parisiens, cher monsieur

Well, they have the freedom to believe whatever they believe.
In the same way, others have the freedom to make fun of their beliefs. And if they do not accept that, they are more than welcome to leave.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Estro Felino]

Well, they have the freedom to believe whatever they believe.
In the same way, others have the freedom to make fun of their beliefs. And if they do not accept that, they are more than welcome to leave.

Ciao

- viole

Absolutely...Our Constitution respects all religions and treats them equally.
I do not understand why certain religions want a privileged treatment from the State.

 

[stvdv]

Well, they have the freedom to believe whatever they believe. In the same way, others have the freedom to make fun of their beliefs. And if they do not accept that, they are more than welcome to leave.

It's that simple. I heard Putin say the same when he spoke about this issue in Russia a few years ago. He even offered to escort them home I think

Although the issue here was not "make fun of their beliefs", but correcting them about disobeying the French Law; try change the French Law

That is about the worst kind of evangelizing/proselytizing ... imposing their Religious Laws/customs (Sharia some call it) on France.

 

[stvdv]

Well, they have the freedom to believe whatever they believe. In the same way, others have the freedom to make fun of their beliefs. And if they do not accept that, they are more than welcome to leave.

The funny/ironic part is, that Muslims make such a big deal out of us drawing Muhammad, calling it "mocking their religion", but they "mock Macron" in a far worse way; I call that Islamic hypocrisy. Islam/Koran teaches "kill one humans and you kill all humans", or put it differently "mock one human and you mock all humans". So, indirectly they mock Muhammad while mocking Macron.

 

[stvdv]

Absolutely...Our Constitution respects all religions and treats them equally.
I do not understand why certain religions want a privileged treatment from the State.

That is part of what some religions call proselytizing (all animals are equal, but some are more equal); hence they feel imposing on others is even their duty

 

[MNoBody]

I clearly see a huge coercion going on nowadays with the virus and terrorism. Don't get me wrong, fighting terrorism is good, but it can also easily be abused to slowly shift into a police state, full control. That is what power hungry people always desired, for thousands of years. I do not believe much has changed. Maybe it even got worse, seeing how many billionaires there are now. You don't become billionaire+ when living Dharmic; impossible

So there are more "bad guys" now than before. My prediction "secular solution gets as bad as, or worse than the religious solution; we'll see soon.

classic hegelian manipulation [thesis>anti-thesis>syn-thesis] is how I have heard it put, and , it sure seems that they are correct. Is it Machiavellian? [ sure seems to be rotten to the core]
is it imperfect and found to be "wanting" according to other known models of how things should be?
absolutely.
perhaps though, it may be perfectly imperfect for some good reason..... I do hold that there must be a "good" reason for affairs and circumstance to be ordered this way..... but it is still not clear what that may be, apart from getting us out of our attachments to materialism, but given how few ever seem to be affected this way, it makes me wonder still....[there are certainly a lot of Bad reasons I can come up with as to why things are this way, but there is always 2 truths, so there must be a good reason....wonder why it is so concealed....

 

[MNoBody]

Thank you. It happened with Catholicism for 13 centuries
..so we know how harmful it is.

fits the profile of the scarlet woman oh so well, robes being drenched with the blood of the saints and all is hard to dismiss...

 

[stvdv]

perhaps though, it may be perfectly imperfect for some good reason

Indeed. A thorn is needed to take out other thorns; still many thorns in governments/religions and those who vote for them

I do hold that there must be a "good" reason for affairs and circumstance to be ordered this way

Yes. I believe in the Law of Karma

but it is still not clear what that may be, apart from getting us out of our attachments to materialism

I think it is just plain karma what happens here. Choose a certain action and get a certain reaction

but given how few ever seem to be affected this way, it makes me wonder still

On an individual level people can aim higher, spiritual speaking. As a whole the evolution goes very slow. Hindu Scriptures say Kali Yuga has still give or take 400.000 years to go (we have had 5000 years already). I don't expect any large-scale changes anytime soon. Materialism is booming.

 

[ChristineM]

And today, following the terror attack in Nice we are at the highest security alert.

The attack was in a church leaving 3 dead and the attacker wounded by police.

To these ****ing idiots think killing people will change the french mindset? No, but it will harden it

 

[Estro Felino]

Macron speaks in Nice

Si nous sommes attaqués encore une fois, ce sera pour nos valeurs, qui sont les nôtres.
Pour notre liberté de culte. Pour cette possibilité de croire librement et de ne pas cédér à aucun ésprit de terreur.

If we are attacked once more, it will be for our values. Which are ours. For the possibility of believing freely and of not giving in before any kind of terror.

 

[stvdv]

And today, following the terror attack in Nice we are at the highest security alert.

The attack was in a church leaving 3 dead and the attacker wounded by police.

To these ****ing idiots think killing people will change the french mindset? No, but it will harden it

It's really horrible what is happening in France and all in name of Allah. I fully agree with Macron to stop this horrible Muslim terrorism
These Muslims pave the highway to destroy Islam; how stupid can one be. Hard to believe they care about Islam (but they do)

 

[stvdv]

Macron speaks in Nice

Si nous sommes attaqués encore une fois, ce sera pour nos valeurs, qui sont les nôtres.
Pour notre liberté de culte. De croire librement et de ne pas cédér à aucun type de terreur.

If we are attacked once more, it will be for our values. Which are ours. For the possibility of believing freely and of not giving in before any kind of terror.

I miss the subtitles here, and Macron his mask standing 0.1 cm next to the other masked men.

 

[Cooky]

You make fun of the Prophet (PBUH)... You die.

Sharia must become the new law of France.

 

[MNoBody]

Indeed. A thorn is needed to take out other thorns; still many thorns in governments/religions and those who vote for them


Yes. I believe in the Law of Karma


I think it is just plain karma what happens here. Choose a certain action and get a certain reaction


On an individual level people can aim higher, spiritual speaking. As a whole the evolution goes very slow. Hindu Scriptures say Kali Yuga has still give or take 400.000 years to go (we have had 5000 years already). I don't expect any large-scale changes anytime soon. Materialism is booming.

I agree to here [the bold part] and then a question of, "is this not more solipsism in another sense?" enters in...
I can see that this principle of the observer affects the outcome works, but oddly, to a certain point, and then there are other influences that muddle the picture....but this deserves a thread of its own to explore as it is kind of straying off topic.

 

[MNoBody]

And today, following the terror attack in Nice we are at the highest security alert.

The attack was in a church leaving 3 dead and the attacker wounded by police.

To these ****ing idiots think killing people will change the french mindset? No, but it will harden it

The Gauls are not to be trifled with. but this issue is so thorny and only mutual humility and penitence on both parts will win the day.