Why they are fake?

[Parsimony]

We must agree to this fact first:
God sent a revelation to guide the humanity

There would have to be a God in order for Him to give a revelation. So far, no testable proof one way or the other has been found. Any arguments are usually based on faith, opinion, personal experience and/or personal preference.

 

[AhmedE]

I would never be foolish to merely take anyone's word on anything without exploring the reasoned argument behind us.

you're right and this is what said in Quran, If you are in doubt in Quran or thinks that Prophet Mohammed PBUH invented it .. then invent something like it

 

[leibowde84]

yes Song of songs is more believable see:

2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth—
for your love is more delightful than wine.
3 Pleasing is the fragrance of your perfumes;
your name is like perfume poured out.
No wonder the young women love you!
4 Take me away with you—let us hurry!
Let the king bring me into his chambers.

Is that the guidance which god wants us to follow?

I'll try to do that I hope it will work

We must agree to this fact first:
God sent a revelation to guide the humanity

So what's this revelation? there are different opinions .. So let's compare between for example Quran and bible and follow the better book .. read for example the store of joseph in Quran and the bible I posted it in a previous topic

Hold up!! That is the entire argument. We don't know that God sent a revelation. We believe that God did this, but we do not know this to be a fact. I have my doubts all the time that God even exists. You cannot just dismiss the fact that assuming God does exist he might not have ever sent any revelations to humans.

 

[leibowde84]

you're right and this is what said in Quran, If you are in doubt in Quran or thinks that Prophet Mohammed PBUH invented it .. then invent something like it

What if I don't think that belief in God is necessary to "get in his good graces" so to speak and I'm skeptical about both the Quran and the Bible or any other book attempting 5 speak for God equally.

 

[AhmedE]

no testable proof one way or the other has been found.

I can't deny that this forum is created by someone unless I'm mad or just lying to myself so the argument won't work anyway

 

[leibowde84]

I'll try to do that I hope it will work

We must agree to this fact first:
God sent a revelation to guide the humanity

So what's this revelation? there are different opinions .. So let's compare between for example Quran and bible and follow the better book .. read for example the store of joseph in Quran and the bible I posted it in a previous topic

It's troubling to me that you actually tried to gloss over the point of this thread. That it is possible that God might have not provided a revelation or existed at all for that matter. I'll accept an argument saying that God's existence is extremely likely ... but a certainty is surely incorrect.

 

[AhmedE]

he might not have ever sent any revelations to humans.

Why are we here on this earth? why did god create us here in this life?

 

[leibowde84]

I can't deny that this forum is created by someone unless I'm mad or just lying to myself so the argument won't work anyway

So you are equating this forum with the entirety of the Cosmos. Size matters buddy, look into Quantum Mechanics. Things can appear out of nowhere. Maybe when the scale is large enough, we might see the same thing.

 

[AhmedE]

if I don't think that belief in God is necessary to "get in his good graces"

then you're dreaming

 

[leibowde84]

Why are we here on this earth? why did god create us here in this life?

I can't say for certain. I have my own beliefs on the subject, but I don't think anyone really knows yet. But, according to simple logic, my lack of an alternative explanation for something does not in any way validate your argument for the supernatural. We are under no obligation to pick the best explanation and claim it as fact (although you have provided no evidence to show that is what you are doing). We might have not figured it out quite yet. I can say for certain that living a good life is in no way dependent on the Quran or any scriptural source for that matter.

 

[leibowde84]

then you're dreaming

Oh my God ... why? Explain your argument. Don't just give up after insulting my intelligence. Poor form.

 

[leibowde84]

then you're dreaming

That is what we call a "cop-out". Next you'll say ... "I can't debate a person who is not reasonable." Explain your argument!!

 

[AhmedE]

but a certainty is surely incorrect.

You must be patient and think with a deep mind .. who created you? you cannot deny that god created you but you must think out of your mind I mean for example we mustn't see all things? we only have eyes!! they see electromagnetic waves nothing else there's another whole universe living with us every person has two angels always with him they write what he does ........ in the hereafter believers will see god but in this life no one can see god .....

 

[Vishvavajra]

Muhammad himself claimed to be the prophet who put pen to paper.

Did he? I thought the verses were memorized and recorded by his disciples, only being compiled in the current form during the first caliphate. Muslims basically take it on faith that the Quran is identical to the teachings of the prophet, even though the teachings passed through the hands of other people on their way to forming the Quran.

 

[Riverwolf]

are you sure or just don't want to know the truth so you make up lies about Quran?

I'm not lying any more than you are.

I say that I've "seen every indication", because that's exactly what I've seen: every indication. It's not a statement of fact or truth, just of my experience.

I've asked for indications otherwise in the past, and I've never been given any that convinced me, largely because what's been provided has either had alternative explanations that don't need any divine intervention (such as the so-called "scientific miracles"), or have been so vague as to be useless (such as the "produce something like it" test).

 

[Parsimony]

I can't deny that this forum is created by someone unless I'm mad or just lying to myself so the argument won't work anyway

We can test the theory that this forum was made by a human: (1) go to the administrator and ask him/her who made it, (2) look at numerous other people on the Internet that have made discussion boards, (3) actively observe a human making a discussion board. None of those methods really work for testing God.

 

[AhmedE]

Muslims memorize quran so christians won't understand what it means to memorize it especially if they memorize only Song of Songs !!!

 

[Riverwolf]

You must be patient and think with a deep mind .. who created you?

My parents.

you cannot deny that god created you

Yes I can. I deny any divine intervention on the part of my creation, except perhaps from Frigga and Easter.

but you must think out of your mind I mean for example we mustn't see all things? we only have eyes!! they see electromagnetic waves

Pretty sure light isn't quite electromagnetic. Photons are a strange thing, in that they behave both as particles and waves.

nothing else there's another whole universe living with us every person has two angels always with him they write what he does ........ in the hereafter believers will see god but in this life no one can see god .....

Then God doesn't get to complain when we doubt claims like this. As many atheists say, we're all going to hell by some God's standards.

 

[Riverwolf]

Muslims memorize quran so christians won't understand what it means to memorize it especially if they memorize only Song of Songs !!!

Memorizing a book isn't impressive.

And Song of Songs is quite lovely for its time. Is there something wrong with it?

 

[AhmedE]

I'm not lying any more than you are.

It convinces me what god says So who is more unjust than he who invents a lie about Allah or denies His signs? Indeed, the criminals will not succeed

I just cannot think that these words can be anything but god's words