Why they are fake?

[manic]

Well, what I've learned from this thread is that their brainwashing is extremely good, to the point of destroying all concept of logic and reasoning.

 

[raph]

Ahmed the religion, the Quran speaks about, is not what is called today Islam. The Quran talks about submission to God being the true religion. You should understand, that there is no God but Allah, the merciful. He has made us as different people, so we can be submitted to him in many different ways. He could have only made 1 Religion, but he decided, that more religions would be funnier. If Islam works for you, fine. But you won't change the religion of other people with circular reasoning. I have the same reasons to believe, that Jesus came back and we should follow him, like you have reasons for Islam. Everyone has good reasons for his own religion, like you for Islam.

 

[JoStories]

You have clearly hit the nail on the head. I have read that aid workers in muslim countries have found that the people there were simply unable to take in anything that was not in an islamic context.

It's sad that islam seems to be such a debilitating malady of the intellect.

Yet that is true of many faiths. Stating its just Muslims is ludicrous, IMO. I watched a documentary about a group, sort of like the Jim jones thing, where they thought they were threatened and eveyone either committed suicide or were shot on site. Or look at the heaven's gate group back when Hal-Bob was going through our solar system. I have traveled extensively and seen this phenomena in many cultures and faiths.

 

[Kade]

I can but worship a perfect God. A God who created time so he is independent of it. A God who created shapes so he is independent of shapes. A God who bleeds is no God to me. A God who begets children is no God to me. A God who favors a people over the other is no God to me. A God who can't make up his mind on a book is no God to me. For the aforementioned reasons, I can only worship Allah, the true and only God.

 

[Looncall]

Yet that is true of many faiths. Stating its just Muslims is ludicrous, IMO. I watched a documentary about a group, sort of like the Jim jones thing, where they thought they were threatened and eveyone either committed suicide or were shot on site. Or look at the heaven's gate group back when Hal-Bob was going through our solar system. I have traveled extensively and seen this phenomena in many cultures and faiths.

I agree. I have long thought that religion is apt to impair thinking and the chief attraction of religion is that it relieves believers of the duty to think for one's self. This is just more egregious and explicit in islam, and extends to whole populations.

 

[Looncall]

I can but worship a perfect God. A God who created time so he is independent of it. A God who created shapes so he is independent of shapes. A God who bleeds is no God to me. A God who begets children is no God to me. A God who favors a people over the other is no God to me. A God who can't make up his mind on a book is no God to me. For the aforementioned reasons, I can only worship Allah, the true and only God.

How do verify that there is any such entity?

 

[Kade]

How do verify that there is any such entity?

By the existence of everything else.

 

[raph]

By the existence of everything else.

How can God be perfect, if there is something else?
How can God be allmighty, if he can't bleed, can't eat, can't be dependent on shapes, can't get children?

 

[Tumah]

I can but worship a perfect God. A God who created time so he is independent of it. A God who created shapes so he is independent of shapes. A God who bleeds is no God to me. A God who begets children is no God to me. A God who favors a people over the other is no God to me. A God who can't make up his mind on a book is no God to me. For the aforementioned reasons, I can only worship Allah, the true and only God.

Allah, does not show any favor towards Muslims over Christians?

 

[Kade]

How can God be perfect, if there is something else?
How can God be allmighty, if he can't bleed, can't eat, can't be dependent on shapes, can't get children?

There has to be something else by definition, for this God to be a creator.

 

[Kade]

Allah, does not show any favor towards Muslims over Christians?

That is not what I said, I said God should not favor a people over another. A people as in Arabs over Foreigners etc...

 

[Looncall]

By the existence of everything else.

Please show how this follows.

 

[Tumah]

That is not what I said, I said God should not favor a people over another. A people as in Arabs over Foreigners etc...

Is there any religion that makes such a distinction?

 

[Kade]

Is there any religion that makes such a distinction?

Indeed there is: I could name one, not to exclude others.... Judaism

 

[Kade]

Please show how this follows.

Very simple: I have a Galaxy tab device, hence someone manufactured, in this case: Samsung.
Humans as "creatures", and everything else for that matter, are a product. Therefore, it necessarily follows that there must be a manufacturer, namely God.
I like to keep things simple.

 

[Tumah]

Indeed there is: I could name one, not to exclude others.... Judaism

The distinction that you said before was that Allah does differentiate between Muslims and Christians, but not between Arabs and foreigners. Meaning, you are saying that the difference is in religion, not nation. The G-d of the Jews does not differentiate between nations either. And even non-Jews are entitled to "enter Heaven".

So I'm not sure what distinction you are making between the Jewish G-d and the Islamic one.

 

[LuisDantas]

There has to be something else by definition, for this God to be a creator.

That is no proof. It is just a statement that you believe in the existence of an all-creator god.

 

[Looncall]

Very simple: I have a Galaxy tab device, hence someone manufactured, in this case: Samsung.
Humans as "creatures", and everything else for that matter, are a product. Therefore, it necessarily follows that there must be a manufacturer, namely God.
I like to keep things simple.

Why does it necessarily follow? Why could things not be a result of purely natural processes? The available evidence indicates that that is probably the case.

 

[sojourner]

I can but worship a perfect God. A God who created time so he is independent of it. A God who created shapes so he is independent of shapes. A God who bleeds is no God to me. A God who begets children is no God to me. A God who favors a people over the other is no God to me. A God who can't make up his mind on a book is no God to me. For the aforementioned reasons, I can only worship Allah, the true and only God.

What about a God who chooses to bleed? What about a God who doesn't really give a flying flip about books? Does your narrowly-focused mind allow for different concepts of the Divine based on culture, perspective, and preference? Or is Truth limited to "what I'm capable of understanding?"

 

[morphesium]

I read a few moments ago about a man who was defending homosexuality! anyway you might think if you're living in a western country that it's not something wrong .. but what makes "something" wrong? .

I am a person, who defends homosexuality, and i am not homosexual and i am not a politician. If some people prefer to be so, let them be - why should it bother us?

Moreover, people who are homosexual now may turn heterosexual later in their life - it is just part of their mental makeup (psychology). If some who has been homosexual later wish to lead a normal married life, let he/she get some psychoanalytic treatment which will help him/her to reprogram their mental condition and they will lead a normal life. It should be up to them - let them decide what is good for them.


I definitely see nothing wrong with homosexuality. There is no crime here.

. They used in the past to open the skull if one had a headache! .. it was not something wrong (they thought so because of their ignorance) ..

I don't think people would have done this for normal headaches. in prehistoric times, such operations (trepanning) were often done with much more sinister intentions rather than for treatments. People who were giving trouble to religious heads were often seen as satanic or evil minded and most of such operations were done to let out these evil spirits which they were possessing. After the operation, the religious person may take out a hidden worm or a centipede and will claim that it is from his head - this justifies the need for the operation and such activities fortify his strong hold as a religious leader. Otherwise, trepanning is done on war captives or slaves - again with religious or political intentions.

These operations weren't done with scientific intentions - even though such activities may have contributed to the growth of science.

We all know that, of course, there are things in todays world that are identical to what was done in the past .. there is some ignorance nowadays .. I mean, for example why do some people shave their faces? you may think it's a good think, people also thought that breaking their skull would help them recover from their headache ..

what do you think --- it is ignorant people who shaves????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it is all part of social customs or traditions etc. that determines how we dress and appear in front of others - it is not based on ignorance.

they thought it was a good thing .. I'll give some more examples then I'll get in the main topic .. Some people are listening to music? they think it's a "healthy" thing! you might think I'm kidding or speaking nonsense, Why do you people listen to music? the answer is pretty clear it's just for fun, they enjoy their time ..

music is not just fun - it is relaxing. it can relieve tensions. It is good - both mentally and physically.

All people are looking for their own benefit .. the man who was speaking about homosexuality who I mentioned earlier, he was just looking for their support because he is a politician ..


the people who shave their faces are looking for the "fake" love of the people who appreciate that or looking for their respect or anything .. anyway .. are we created to be slaves to people? to look for their satisfaction? is that the main purpose of us in this life?

The next time you see someone who tells you that he loves you .. how would you know? if he really loves you? I need to clarify something before answering this question .. If people are looking for their own good .. then why do people love other people? may be for their beauty or their money or anything else .. but what's the true love? the true love is the love in the sake of god ..

now what is God?
why do you believe in allah just because a particular book claim to be so ?
If it is god who created you, if you are god's marvelous creation, then god doesn't need the help of book to talk to you or convey his message to you. you were born with it. your sense of morality, "inherent nature to do the right" is your god sent message.

why do you think god needs a book to convey his message?

If I analyzed what I mentioned above .. it's clear that their are two ways .. you are looking for your benefit in this life .. or you are looking for the benefit in the hereafter ..

If we looked at Islam it's clear in its teachings that one must follow the truth look for it even if the other religions were true a Muslim would follow it .. but there's no religion after Islam .. Jews and Christians in fact if they are real scholars know that Islam is the right religion .. they just want to stick to their religion even if it was false ..

In brief man is created in this life to be tested if he was good or evil if he worshiped god or not .. and it's clear in Surat Al-baqara ..

So, why are people who don't do things in the sake of god are fake?

it is because you are taught that way - that Islam is the right religion. similarly everyone in every other religion is taught that way- that their religion is the right religion. So how can they deny their religion? Every religion is false. there is no religion that is god sent. you weren't sent to earth with a particular religious concept, were you? In fact god sent you as a free man (baby) but your religion chained you - crippling your thoughts.

Constant teaching/ training and practices make things hardwired in the brain and once it is hardwired (kind of habitulazing), it is very difficult to break free from such thoughts and practices once it is habitualized. This is the reason religion keeps lingering even if our rational minds finds faults with it. (Once hardwired, it takes strong will and determination to break free from this).