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Why would an All-Loving God create a world that has so much suffering in it?

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
what is God doing? It's like it strikes randomly. Kind of like "survival of the fittest" or the lucky or the ones that have access to modern medicine. It's almost better explained by atheists, that there is no God.
I will give you that, that is what it seems like, suffering strikes randomly.

If we try to figure out "what God is doing or not doing" it will always be a losing battle, because we cannot know, in spite of what some Christians and some Baha'is say. :rolleyes:
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
To both Baha'is and Christians... The "game plan", as explained in the Hindu concept of reincarnation, at least gives kids that suffer and die young, and all others that suffer through a lifetime of pain and misfortune, a chance to come back. It makes the pain and suffering a true test. If they do well and learn from the suffering, they come back in a better situation. If not, maybe they go through even a more severe test. Christians and Baha'is only give people one life. Some die young some die old. Some suffer a lot. Some have it relatively easy. And how is that fair?
Which says and God is an evil being.

For if a human is born by 2 human beings, as the parents who make a choice for an innocent baby. That baby is born sick or it inherits sickness in its life...then it is the parents choice, not a God choice.

Yet humans claim self is God....so that is your answer, you chose it for yourselves, why the story about a male adult and a female adult owns evil connotations to it...that relate how their human experience supports inhumanity itself.

For I know that if I was given a choice to be born or not....I would choose not to be born thank you after what I suffered. And I never believed that reincarnation was any sort of reward. For who then would placate that one self is more worthy than another?

Which takes you back to group and cult and religious group controls and enforced teachings, as owned by any one group entailing that their group is superior in its teaching or its group shared experienced as compared to any single self.

Yet the single self not coerced proves to be the correct human self....who says all problems began in group shared beliefs and choices, and then actions, which is how science with machines irradiated and caused all living problems that we own today.

For the spiritual story even tells you.

That God the male as a large body sought information about creation, and changed creation.

Which means we all got irradiated with radiation UFO Ark mass.

Then after the cause and effect which made the God psyche in the male even worse than it was before, is a God confession claiming how much he hated Nature, the animals and humans....and so then destroyed all life on Earth by that ARK ufo history.

Then males today, archaeologists dig up the Earth evidence to say, surely did.

And humans see and witness life changing in unnatural gain of radiation mass, and see mind and life and belief change, and health and then cannot understand the concept that they did it to their own self without blaming some other deity.

Now if you believe in spirit as I do....I can say, once a long time ago no creation and no space existed. And spirit lived as a spirit in the eternal body, and it changed, and a portion of it was ejected into conversion.

Which would bring a human mind spiritually to be angry at being evicted from a spiritual place where you were innocent of change...to then have it forced upon you.

And then prove to self that we follow that spiritual pattern our own selves as humans by our human choice.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
I've heard that some Christian groups don't believe in taking medications. Do most get well? Or, do most stay sick and even die from the disease? Then, I knew some people that only used herbs and other "natural" healing remedies. Many were healthier, because they changed their lifestyles and ate healthier food and exercised, and still some got sick and died.

And some get sick and die, even when they trust to medicines and take them. It is possible that taking or not taking has really nothing to do with it.

Belief and faith for medicine may be useful, that is why I think it is ok, if people take them, because it is possible that the belief is helpful. And at least it is probably better if person doesn’t believe the poisons in the medicines are harmful, because nocebo effect can be as strong as placebo.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
....Since I believe that we can have eternal life both in this world and in the next world (the spiritual world), the first death could mean the death of the body and/or the loss of eternal life in this world and the second death could refer to loss of eternal life in the next world (the spiritual world).....

I think it could be that the first death means the dead of the body. However, because Bible tells death will be thrown to the “second death”, I think it is something more concrete.

Interesting thing is that in scientific point of view, we are constantly dying in this world, every day our cells die. But until the death is final, there is also much regeneration, new cells born, which is why death is slow process. So, in a way, we are constantly dying here. And that is why I would call this also the first death. But, luckily, I don’t think this is crucial matter to know or believe and it is not a problem for me, if we disagree. :)
 
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