Why Would an Omnipotent God Want Worshipers?

[FearGod]

False. You have it 100% BACKWARDS. Life evolved on EARTH-- not the other way around.

Evolution is a FACT, in spite of your deliberate and willful choice to remain ignorant.

LOL, and who said that evolution isn't a fact?

 

[FearGod]

So you ADMIT that your "god" is not all-powerful?

You cannot have free will if there is an all-powerful being in existence-- the two cancel each other out.

Free Will, is an exercise of power--however tiny. All Powerful means **all** powerful, not just **mostly** powerful.

That would just be a big Bully....

Yes God is all powerful, if he wanted us to lack the free will and making us fully obedience,he can.

God made us in away to be free in our choices.

Say, "With Allah is the far-reaching argument. If He had willed, He would have guided you all."(6:149)

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I'm afraid you learned what it means, kind of memorizing and that's silly indeed.
it was one man statement, it isn't science that you need to defend, I'm not
surprise that you defend the evolution of life by random mutations and
natural selections through billions of years, accusing a person of ignorance
isn't a wise reply, defend your reply by science, try to discuss science than
just pasting links.

I paste a link, because you have demonstrated you lack a basic understanding of the most fundamental principles of knowledge.

You have substituted instead, legends, myth and fairy tales.

I'm not here to correct your lack of a quality education-- that's what the links are for.


Lines of evidence: The science of evolution
http://io9.gizmodo.com/8-scientific-discoveries-that-prove-evolution-is-real-1729902558
Human Evolution Evidence | The Smithsonian Institution's Human Origins Program
15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

LOL, and who said that evolution isn't a fact?

I had assumed you-- since you seem to believe the nonsense that the earth was specifically fabricated just for us lowly humans, by some magical sky-fairy...

 

[FearGod]

Sure! One day-- as soon as humans quit letting religious stupid people STOP holding back progress?

Humans will thrive on the moon, on Mars, in orbit around Jupiter, and on it's various moons.

More: We'll have outposts in orbit around Venus, and on Mercury. Pluto too.

People will likely thrive in the asteroid belts as well-- pioneering folk who are not AFRAID of idiot sky-fairies who threaten them with infinite torture.

But.... none of those space colonists? Will be religious fundamentalists. Those? We'll leave behind-- they can return to Stone Age living, like their ancient books compel them to.

No Computers For You. Computers are Atheist-creations after all.

No contradiction between science and religion, I think you're ignorant.

Uses of Logarithms in Computers | Techwalla.com
Al-Khwarizmi - Islamic Mathematics - The Story of Mathematics

 

[FearGod]

I paste a link, because you have demonstrated you lack a basic understanding of the most fundamental principles of knowledge.

You have substituted instead, legends, myth and fairy tales.

I'm not here to correct your lack of a quality education-- that's what the links are for.


Lines of evidence: The science of evolution
http://io9.gizmodo.com/8-scientific-discoveries-that-prove-evolution-is-real-1729902558
Human Evolution Evidence | The Smithsonian Institution's Human Origins Program
15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense

But who said that evolution of species didn't happen?, it actually did.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Yes God is all powerful, if he wanted us to lack the free will and making us fully obedience,he can.

God made us in away to be free in our choices.

Say, "With Allah is the far-reaching argument. If He had willed, He would have guided you all."(6:149)

No-- he cannot. By definition-- if your god gave away some of his power, in order to allow us free will?

He cannot then take it back--for that would destroy free will in the process.

Thus, your god is no longer all-powerful-- and indeed, may not win in the end as a result!

(this is all hypothetical, of course-- since there is exactly zero proof that your god even exists at all-- and ample evidence that your god does not)

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

But who said that evolution of species didn't happen?, it actually did.

The majority of religious people in the USA make that claim. I find that the most ardent advertisers of the god-meme, also make that claim.

If you are not one of them? I apologize for miss-characterizing you. So sorry.

Of course-- if you do accept the fact of evolution, it kinda ruins the whole "god, he did it" shtick....

 

[FearGod]

I had assumed you-- since you seem to believe the nonsense that the earth was specifically fabricated just for us lowly humans, by some magical sky-fairy...

Yes humans didn't come to earth by magic, it was a very long process.
Can you make a TV set before producing the electronic amplifiers?

 

[FearGod]

No-- he cannot. By definition-- if your god gave away some of his power, in order to allow us free will?

He cannot then take it back--for that would destroy free will in the process.

Thus, your god is no longer all-powerful-- and indeed, may not win in the end as a result!

(this is all hypothetical, of course-- since there is exactly zero proof that your god even exists at all-- and ample evidence that your god does not)

Again I don't have my own God, that's really very silly of you.
Think of God as you wish, but no need to say "your God"

You don't believe in God, so it's about God or no God, but not that
everyone has his own God, people may differ in their beliefs but that
won't make God be Gods.

 

[FearGod]

The majority of religious people in the USA make that claim. I find that the most ardent advertisers of the god-meme, also make that claim.

If you are not one of them? I apologize for miss-characterizing you. So sorry.

Of course-- if you do accept the fact of evolution, it kinda ruins the whole "god, he did it" shtick....

Evolution is approved by science and well investigated, no one can go against it,
but it doesn't mean that God didn't plan for it to naturally happen.

 

[omega2xx]

Yes-- that does explain why you are so rude all the time, does it not?

You are AFRAID to click on links that prove how wrong you are:


Lines of evidence: The science of evolution
http://io9.gizmodo.com/8-scientific-discoveries-that-prove-evolution-is-real-1729902558
Human Evolution Evidence | The Smithsonian Institution's Human Origins Program
15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense

You are afraid to cut and paste what they called evidence, Either you finally figure out what real evidence is and none of you links had any or you still don't know what is evidence and what is opinion. How sad.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Again I don't have my own God, that's really very silly of you.

Oh, but you DO! Your god is a very different beast from the next guy's god, and different again from the next guy's and so on.

You do not even share the same god with people who use the same book YOU do! Fact!

The proof is that people argue over the "meaning" of the book to the point of starting wars!

Think of God as you wish, but no need to say "your God"

I prefer to keep things in perspective: Your god only and ever exists in Your Head.

You don't believe in God, so it's about God or no God, but not that
everyone has his own God, people may differ in their beliefs but that
won't make God be Gods.

False. Until you can prove that Your God isn't ONLY in your own head?

My point remains accurate.

More to the point? You will have to establish a One World Religion, to make the claim that YOUR god is the One And Only.

There are more than 40,000 different gods just within Christianity alone! Because there are at least that many different Versions of "Genuine Christianity".

Islam and Judaism is no better: Different Versions or Brands.

A Genuine, Real God? Would mean only the One Religion: What mere human creation (and false) could compete with a Real God™?

Hmmmm?

I will await either your excuse as to why there are millions of different religions, and at least that many gods...

Or for you to ignore my point as you have done since we began....

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Evolution is approved by science and well investigated, no one can go against it,
but it doesn't mean that God didn't plan for it to naturally happen.

What good is your god, then? It is quite clear that your god was absolutely not needed for Evolution to have occurred.

Indeed: the absolutely dreadful "design" of the human form, is ample proof it was a mix of random events with environmental pressure.

Take the human spine-- in a quadruped? It's a pretty darn good "design". It works quite well in a horse (for example).

But in an upright? It is absolutely horrid! It begins to fail, due to gravity, by age 30 in most. It has no ability to regenerate the wear-points, either! It simply was not designed for vertical loads!

I could go on, on how poorly the human body is "designed"-- pretty much all day-- there are hundreds of minor flaws, that a basic first-year Architectural student could spot and correct!

But your god has approved of this lame process???

That's bordering on needlessly cruel!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

You are afraid to cut and paste what they called evidence, Either you finally figure out what real evidence is and none of you links had any or you still don't know what is evidence and what is opinion. How sad.

Why should I cut and past THOUSANDS OF PAGES into the forum, and thereby WASTE the resources of said forum, when the LINK is JUST A MOUSE--CLICK AWAY?

Moreover, there are more than just a thousand pages IN SUPPORT of Evolution-- which prove BEYOND A DOUBT, that you are just another Liar For God.

You must be proud!

More:


Proof of evolution: TalkOrigins Archive: Exploring the Creation/Evolution Controversy
Proof of evolution: Evolution
Proof of evolution: 101 Reasons Why Evolution is True | ideonexus.com
Proof of evolution: Human Evolution Evidence | The Smithsonian Institution's Human Origins Program
Proof of evolution: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topicbrowse2.php?topic_id=46
Proof of evolution: Evidence of common descent - Wikipedia
Proof of evolution: Human Genome Shows Proof of Recent Evolution, Survey Finds
Understanding Evolution
Welcome to Evolution 101!
Lines of evidence: The science of evolution

 

[FearGod]

Oh, but you DO! Your god is a very different beast from the next guy's god, and different again from the next guy's and so on.

You do not even share the same god with people who use the same book YOU do! Fact!

The proof is that people argue over the "meaning" of the book to the point of starting wars!

Regardless of different thoughts, still God is God.

I prefer to keep things in perspective: Your god only and ever exists in Your Head.

Not true, I believe in God and you disbelieve, that's it.

False. Until you can prove that Your God isn't ONLY in your own head?

My point remains accurate.

Not accurate because I'm not the only believer that believes that God exists.
You may say your father, your mother ..etc, but your God is absolutely very wrong, I don't have my own God.

More to the point? You will have to establish a One World Religion, to make the claim that YOUR god is the One And Only.

Regardless of different beliefs, it doesn't make God to be Gods, for each one specific God.

There are more than 40,000 different gods just within Christianity alone! Because there are at least that many different Versions of "Genuine Christianity".

Tell me how each God of them looks like?

Islam and Judaism is no better: Different Versions or Brands.

Even though Muslims don't accept Judaism but still it's about the same God.

A Genuine, Real God? Would mean only the One Religion: What mere human creation (and false) could compete with a Real God™?

Again different beliefs won't change what God means and what God is.

Hmmmm?

I will await either your excuse as to why there are millions of different religions, and at least that many gods...

Or for you to ignore my point as you have done since we began....

When did I ignored your points? you only disagree with mine but I didn't ignore your points.[/QUOTE]

 

[FearGod]

What good is your god, then? It is quite clear that your god was absolutely not needed for Evolution to have occurred.

Indeed: the absolutely dreadful "design" of the human form, is ample proof it was a mix of random events with environmental pressure.

Take the human spine-- in a quadruped? It's a pretty darn good "design". It works quite well in a horse (for example).

But in an upright? It is absolutely horrid! It begins to fail, due to gravity, by age 30 in most. It has no ability to regenerate the wear-points, either! It simply was not designed for vertical loads!

I could go on, on how poorly the human body is "designed"-- pretty much all day-- there are hundreds of minor flaws, that a basic first-year Architectural student could spot and correct!

But your god has approved of this lame process???

That's bordering on needlessly cruel!

What prevents you from creating a better humans, why we can't fix it if such things was
stupidly done by nature, and such stupid nature produced the amazing human's brain,
so use it to make better creations than what the inanimate nature did.

 

[omega2xx]

Why should I cut and past THOUSANDS OF PAGES into the forum, and thereby WASTE the resources of said forum, when the LINK is JUST A MOUSE--CLICK AWAY?

Moreover, there are more than just a thousand pages IN SUPPORT of Evolution-- which prove BEYOND A DOUBT, that you are just another Liar For God.

You must be proud!

More:


Proof of evolution: TalkOrigins Archive: Exploring the Creation/Evolution Controversy
Proof of evolution: Evolution
Proof of evolution: 101 Reasons Why Evolution is True | ideonexus.com
Proof of evolution: Human Evolution Evidence | The Smithsonian Institution's Human Origins Program
Proof of evolution: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topicbrowse2.php?topic_id=46
Proof of evolution: Evidence of common descent - Wikipedia
Proof of evolution: Human Genome Shows Proof of Recent Evolution, Survey Finds
Understanding Evolution
Welcome to Evolution 101!
Lines of evidence: The science of evolution

• Who said thousands of pages? Just one thing they present as evidence will prove me wrong. Why are you so afraid?

 

[pearl]

I sometimes think the problem is a language barrier. If theology understood what 'theory' is to the scientist, and science understood what myth is to the theologian there may be some talking points.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Regardless of different thoughts, still God is God.

Nope. Proof? The fact that there are thousands and thousands of DIFFERENT religions.

If there was just the one (1) god?

THERE WOULD ONLY BE THE ONE RELIGION.