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why would anyone choose to worship satan as a religion ?

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1137

Here until I storm off again
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markymark said:
do you agree the orgions of lucifer are from the bible ?
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Lucifer and Satan are not the same being biblically, they are not even the same concept. Lucifer is a title, "light-bearer", and is representative of knowledge / gnosis / enlightenment. Satan is the Adversary and accuser, although Satan is also a title before Christianity. Only in Christianity did Satan become a specific being, the Devil. The OT and NT are actually quite separate stories.

As for Lucifer, he is associated with Venus, the morning star. Jesus Christ called himself the "bright bringer of morning", aka Lucifer. This is because he was an enlightened mystic, in my opinion. But Lucifer is not related to Satan nor Satanism.

Also, it is not the devil being cast into the pit in Isaiah, it is the Babylonian king. "Lucifer" is a mistranslation and the idea that it is Lucifer / Satan falling is completely false. Milton wasn't much help there.
 
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markymark

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The Doors of Perception said:
Lucifer and Satan are not the same being biblically, they are not even the same concept. Lucifer is a title, "light-bearer", and is representative of knowledge / gnosis / enlightenment. Satan is the Adversary and accuser, although Satan is also a title before Christianity. Only in Christianity did Satan become a specific being, the Devil. The OT and NT are actually quite separate stories.

As for Lucifer, he is associated with Venus, the morning star. Jesus Christ called himself the "bright bringer of morning", aka Lucifer. This is because he was an enlightened mystic, in my opinion. But Lucifer is not related to Satan nor Satanism.

Also, it is not the devil being cast into the pit in Isaiah, it is the Babylonian king. "Lucifer" is a mistranslation and the idea that it is Lucifer / Satan falling is completely false. Milton wasn't much help there.
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they are directly related lucifer became satan the accuser after he fell and rose up against God
 
Gjallarhorn

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
markymark said:
they are directly related lucifer became satan the accuser after he fell and rose up against God
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...which is not Biblical, at all. As we have shown you, "Lucifer" didn't refer to an angel, and didn't even exist in the Bible as a proper noun until the Vulgate, long after its use referring to the god of the Morning Star, also called Phosphoros.

Are you sure you want to keep shoveling ****?
 
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markymark

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Gjallarhorn said:

stella Veneris, quae Φωσφόρος Graece Lucifer Latine dicitur cum antegreditur solem, cum subsequitur autem Ἕσπερος (De Natura Deorum, 2.53)

"The star of Venus, called in Greek Phosphoros (the light-bringer) and in Latin Lucifer when it precedes the sun, but when it follows it Hesperos."

Ovid wrote:
… vigil nitido patefecit ab ortu
 purpureas Aurora fores et plena rosarum
 atria: diffugiunt stellae, quarum agmina cogit
 Lucifer et caeli statione novissimus exit
(Aurora, awake in the glowing east, opens wide her bright doors, and her rose-filled courts. The stars, whose ranks are shepherded by Lucifer the morning star, vanish, and he, last of all, leaves his station in the sky – Metamorphoses 2.114–115; A. S. Kline's Version

And Statius:
Et iam Mygdoniis elata cubilibus alto
 impulerat caelo gelidas Aurora tenebras,
 rorantes excussa comas multumque sequenti
 sole rubens; illi roseus per nubila seras
 aduertit flammas alienumque aethera tardo
 Lucifer exit equo, donec pater igneus orbem
 impleat atque ipsi radios uetet esse sorori
(And now Aurora rising from her Mygdonian couch had driven the cold darkness on from high in the heavens, shaking out her dewy hair, her face blushing red at the pursuing sun – from him roseate Lucifer averts his fires lingering in the clouds and with reluctant horse leaves the heavens no longer his, until the blazing father make full his orb and forbid even his sister her beams) Statius, Thebaid 2, 134–150; Translated by A. L. Ritchie and J. B. Hall in collaboration with M. J. Edwards

Wikipedia is your friend.
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sorry but the book of Isaiah was written long before this was ...is that not correct
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markymark

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Gjallarhorn said:
...which is not Biblical, at all. As we have shown you, "Lucifer" didn't refer to an angel, and didn't even exist in the Bible as a proper noun until the Vulgate, long after its use referring to the god of the Morning Star, also called Phosphoros.

Are you sure you want to keep shoveling ****?
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but the book of Isaiah was written between 701 and 681 B.C ...long before
 
Gjallarhorn

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
markymark said:
no it was written in hebrew ...i disagree on all the above pls read this and then we can discuss further

Is "Lucifer" the Devil in Isaiah 14:12? - The KJV Argument against Modern Translations | Bible.org - Worlds Largest Bible Study Site
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That's nice, but I am not calling Jesus Lucifer. I am calling "lucifer" a title for the king of Babylon misused by Christians to justify Jesus's view that Satan had "fallen", and thank you for helping support that.

From your link:

In other words, lucifer is not a proper name, but is the Latin word for ‘morning star’ or ‘day star.’ The KJV simply reproduced the Latin in Isa 14:12 because they were not sure what ‏הילל meant. The KJV translators knew Latin better than they knew Greek or Hebrew. In places where they were not sure what the Greek or Hebrew meant, they simply translated or reproduced verbatim the Latin text. This has happened scores, if not hundreds, of times.
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Iti oj

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
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markymark said:
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

agreed like the big band just happened...from no where
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Actualy we have pictures od background radation and other evidences and it didn't come from no where but a singlelarity.
 
tumbleweed41

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
markymark said:
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

agreed like the big band just happened...from no where
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Well, the Big Band did not just happen.

Johnny Mercer, Harold Arlen, Hoagy Carmichael and Cab Calloway had a lot to do with it.

But that is irreverent to the topic at hand.
 
Dezzie

Dezzie

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I thought this thread was originally "Why would anyone choose to worship Satan"? Looks to me like it has gone a tad off topic.
 
Orias

Orias

Left Hand Path
I would just like to throw this out there, anyone who believes in something that exists in contradiction or in opposition of something is essentially "Satanic" in nature.

Just saying :shrug:
 
Gjallarhorn

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
Orias said:
I would just like to throw this out there, anyone who believes in something that exists in contradiction or in opposition of something is essentially "Satanic" in nature.

Just saying :shrug:
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But to truly "worship Satan", one would have to be an anti-conformist, or have oppositional defiant disorder (ODD).
 
Orias

Orias

Left Hand Path
Gjallarhorn said:
But to truly "worship Satan", one would have to be an anti-conformist, or have oppositional defiant disorder (ODD).
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Heh, anti-conformist is kind of a form of conforming (though I'm sure you know that I'm just making it obvious to the audience (if there is one)).

ODD
ADD
ADHD
LMNOP
666
CODMW3


Look you just made me list all of my disorders, though I'd have to say I'm more LMNOP than anything.
 
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