where ya going with this? whats your point?
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why would anyone choose to worship satan as a religion ?
- Thread starter markymark
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what do you mean - he is directly from the bible are you saying the statment below is incorrect
Isaiah 14:12 (New King James Version)
The Fall of Lucifer
12 How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,[a] son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
as you can see its clearly mentioned
well you stated the devil does not orginate from the bible but it clearly does -thats my point
Isaiah 14:12 (New King James Version)
The Fall of Lucifer
12 How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,[a] son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
Did I claim Satan had nothing to do with the bible? If I did I take it back.
From wiki
Ahhh I think that was me and your misquotung again. I said satanism has nothing to do with the bible not satan also satan and the bible satan tend to be painted in two diff lights also which form of satanism are we talking about
antonjarrod
New Member
Individuals may be drawn to engage with certain realities known or recognized as "satanism" for various reasons, but primarily, in my own view, it is the play of the forces of consciousness upon which the will is based that determines what an individual can or cannot do or believe in.
I think the real issue is about what "choice" really means in the context of "faith", and the individual's awareness of their own beliefs.
Anton
I think the real issue is about what "choice" really means in the context of "faith", and the individual's awareness of their own beliefs.
Anton
Listen man you made this posts in a debate section and we've seen your attacks on other religions so what's the point of this thread? What do you want to accomplish? Trying to trip us up so you can misqoute take things out context and use our words against us?
so is that a no , you dont want to debate anymore ?
what's there to debate? We've told you a few reasons why people might become Satanists, so what more is there to discuss?
Are you willing to discuss and learn things? And what is it you wish to debate? So this is not an honest question?
Did you know that God...
Forced friends and family to kill each other for dancing naked around Aaron's golden calf?
Burned Aaron's sons to death for offering him strange fire?
Burned complainers to death, forced the survivors to eat quail until it literally came out their noses, sent "fiery serpents" to bite people for complaining about the lack of food and water, and killed 14,700 for complaining about his killings?
Buried alive those that opposed Moses (along with their families)?
Burned 250 men to death for burning incense?
Rewarded Phinehas for throwing a spear though the bellies of an inter-tribal couple while they were having sex?
Ordered, assisted in, or approved of dozens of complete genocides?
Accepted human sacrifice in the cases of Jephthah's daughter and Saul's seven sons?
Helped Samson murder thirty men for their clothes, slaughter 1000 with the jawbone of an ***, and kill 3000 civilians in a a suicide terrorist attack?
Smote the Philistines of several cities with hemorrhoids in their secret parts?
Killed a man for trying to keep the ark of the covenant from falling and 50,070 for looking into the ark?
Approved when David bought his first wife with 200 Philistine foreskins?
Killed King Saul for not killing every Amalekite as he told him to do?
Slowly killed a baby to punish King David for committing adultery?
Killed 70,000 because David had a census that he (or Satan) told him to do?
Sent a lion to kill a prophet for believing another prophet's lie, another lion to kill a man for not smiting a prophet, and some more lions to kill people that didn't fear him enough?
Killed 450 religious leaders who lost a prayer contest with Elijah and burned 102 men to death for asking Elijah to come down from his hill?
Sent two bears to rip apart 42 boys for making fun of Elisha's bald head?
Killed 27,000 Syrians by having a wall fall on them, sent an angel to kill 185,000 sleeping soldiers, interfered in human battles to kill a half million Israelite and a million Ethiopian soldiers?
Killed King Ahab for not killing a captured king, and then sent King Jehu on a series of mass murders to kill all of Ahab's family and friends who had ever "****** against a wall?"
Killed Jehoram by making his bowels fall out?
Killed Job's ten children in a bet with Satan?
Killed Ezekiel's wife and told him not to mourn her?
Killed Ananias and Sapphira for not giving Peter all their money?
Killed King Herod by feeding him to worms?
I don't see why that wouldn't be fun.
Prove Yahweh did that in the Bible, and leave Jesus out of this.
That's funny, because he ends up breaking all of his rules. How pure and holy is that?
"We can't judge God" might be your reply, but how come you're judging God with good things and we can't with negative things.
So everyone is going to hell?
I admit I haven't read the Bible, but I know a lot on it.
Infinitum
Possessed Bookworm
I know this thread is quickly getting out of control, but I still want to add here a bit different view on things for the sake of discussion. Disclaimer: The ideas presented below do not necessarily represent how I look at things now. And I am not a Satanist nor do I worship Satan. Satanists here may agree with what I write, but it doesn't mean I actually do represent Satanism.
When I was younger and still tried to cram my world view into Christianity I found myself starting to feel more and more sympathy for the Devil. In Genesis he is the one to give humanity true free will, making us "like gods, knowing good and evil". Later in Job he is actually tempting God and it's God who allows all the evil to happen to Job. He could have said no, but instead Satan reveals the weakness of God himself. In the Old Testament the actual competitior for God is not Satan, but Baal, the Canaanite god, in the New Testament the bigger threat comes from Beelzebub and his demons. Once again Satan is only the tempter of God/Jesus. The Revelation was the only place I was aware of where Satan is described as a true threat to humanity. And at the same time I felt bad for the fallen angels, since they seemed to have got their punishment simply for happening to be working for the wrong person. The God in the Old Testament in the other hand seems to have a terrible temperament. Actually so terrible I jokingly used to say he resembles more a demon than a god. In Exodus says to Moses that: "Thou canst not see my face; for man shall not see me and live". And in Numbers we're told how the wrath of God kills over ten thousand people just because they happened to be close when he was punishing someone else.
(End of disclaimer.)
In Antiquity there was also a Christian sect (I can't find the name right now, since my books aren't available) that thought that it was better to focus Satan (trying to stay in good standing with him), since he was a bigger threat to their salvation than the all-merciful God. So historically there has actually been people worshiping Satan without actually having been thought to be evil. They were eventually declared heretical, of course.
When I was younger and still tried to cram my world view into Christianity I found myself starting to feel more and more sympathy for the Devil. In Genesis he is the one to give humanity true free will, making us "like gods, knowing good and evil". Later in Job he is actually tempting God and it's God who allows all the evil to happen to Job. He could have said no, but instead Satan reveals the weakness of God himself. In the Old Testament the actual competitior for God is not Satan, but Baal, the Canaanite god, in the New Testament the bigger threat comes from Beelzebub and his demons. Once again Satan is only the tempter of God/Jesus. The Revelation was the only place I was aware of where Satan is described as a true threat to humanity. And at the same time I felt bad for the fallen angels, since they seemed to have got their punishment simply for happening to be working for the wrong person. The God in the Old Testament in the other hand seems to have a terrible temperament. Actually so terrible I jokingly used to say he resembles more a demon than a god. In Exodus says to Moses that: "Thou canst not see my face; for man shall not see me and live". And in Numbers we're told how the wrath of God kills over ten thousand people just because they happened to be close when he was punishing someone else.
(End of disclaimer.)
In Antiquity there was also a Christian sect (I can't find the name right now, since my books aren't available) that thought that it was better to focus Satan (trying to stay in good standing with him), since he was a bigger threat to their salvation than the all-merciful God. So historically there has actually been people worshiping Satan without actually having been thought to be evil. They were eventually declared heretical, of course.
what were does it say that
Approved when David bought his first wife with 200 Philistine foreskins?
The_Evelyonian
Old-School Member
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
So you are claiming Satanists worship an ancient king of Babylon? That's what Isaiah 14 is about, and the desire to think Lucifer is a name is certainly laughable, like claiming Thomas's real name was Doubter or Twin.
my question was were does it say God approved of it - David had many faults so do we all
you said lucifer was not mentioned in the bible ....here is the proof ...you van laugh but the devil orginated from the bible - fact
you said lucifer was not mentioned in the bible ....here is the proof ...you van laugh but the devil orginated from the bible - fact
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
I guess I have to be specific: your Lucifer doesn't originate in the Bible. Lucifer is not the devil, nor is he any sort of supernatural entity. To say the terrible error of not translating Lucifer is proof of your devil is like saying God has an apple in His eye.