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Why would anyone want to vote for Hilary Clinton?

metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
serp777 said:
I don't have my own facts. Hillary versus trump isn't bizarre at all either because they're likely to be the two candidates running against each other. You seem confused.

Also, it won a Pulitzer price, and therefore its not biased and is factually correct? That's a non sequitor.
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How convenient for you to ignore both that website plus all the comments by even those in his own party.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
serp777 said:
First of all, you can't be racist against muslims. Muslims are apart of a religion, not a race. Also there are numerous prominent democrats and republicans who say that trump is neither sexist nor racist. And trumps wife doesn't think trump is sexist.

In fact, Hillary is the sexist one ironically enough. She's an enabler of bill clinton and denounced the women whom Bill sexually assaulted as attention seekers and liars. She doesn't actually care about women; she's a political chameleon who changes to fit the circumstances.

Also where are your sources showing the sexist/racist comments? Show me an example of where trump says something actually sexist or racist like "Men are better than women", or "women are horrible", or "white supremacy ftw" or something that actually fits the description of "sexist/racist bigot." I'd like to say that calling Carly ugly isn't sexist, if that's what you're going to bring up. Trump is certainly a jerk, but being a jerk doesn't make you sexist or racist.
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:rolleyes:
 
serp777

serp777

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metis said:
How convenient for you to ignore both that website plus all the comments by even those in his own party.
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How convenient that you didn't address even one of my examples or sources showing how the website was garbage. And obviously there are going to be people in each party who make negative comments about both Bernie and Trump since they're anti establishment. Also way to ignore every quote on the internet saying trump isn't a racist or sexist. You can go google it. But rather than rely on quotes from trump himself, you'll rely on biased assertions.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
serp777 said:
How convenient that you didn't address even one of my examples or sources showing how the website was garbage. And obviously there are going to be people in each party who make negative comments about both Bernie and Trump since they're anti establishment. Also way to ignore every quote on the internet saying trump isn't a racist or sexist. You can go google it. But rather than rely on quotes from trump himself, you'll rely on biased assertions.
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:rolleyes:I have relied on quotes from Trump, as I actually have listened to quite a few of his speeches and read a significant number of his quotes, but I guess you either haven't done as such, or maybe you are so much like Trump that his racist and religiously bigoted statements just don't repulse you.

Hey, whatever floats you rubber ducky.
 
averageJOE

averageJOE

zombie
serp777 said:
Is Hilary less destructive? What about her incompetence with respect to the middle east and the arab spring? Her failures are numerous and just as destructive. Also trump wouldn't be able to deport all illegal immigrants; the president alone doesn't have enough power to do that.
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We all know that stuff already about Hillary. But don't think Trump wouldn't jump on the chance to go back to war. He already stated multiple times his "plan" to fight ISIS, by bombing all the oil fields, then sending in contractors to rebuild and have soldiers protect them.

But think about what could happen here. Trump likes to use terms like "these people are the problem", "these people are bad for the United States of America". Trump himself may or may not be racist, all his supporters are not racists...but I would feel confident in saying all racists are Trump supporters. The attitude he is bringing out in people based on fear and hate is causing a divide. Look at the hatred, violence, and division he created just from his words. What do you think his actions would do?

For the record, I'm with you. I'm a Bernie supporter. But I'm also Never Trump.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Words sometimes have expanded meanings as time goes on, so "racism" tends to refer to pretty much any bigotry that's "racial" (however defined) or nationality based.
 
serp777

serp777

Well-Known Member
metis said:
I'm sure this link won't impress you either, but...: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...aid-about-latinos_us_55e483a1e4b0c818f618904b

or: http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/17/opinions/kohn-donald-trump-announcement/

or: http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-epic-statement-on-mexico-2015-7
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Your sources continue to suck. You should either look at your sources or become more familiar with the definition of a racist.

The huffington post first says that trump called latino immigrants criminals and rapists. Here's the actual quote:

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

Not only do they conveniently forget about the part of "some, I assume, are good people", which means that he isn't saying all latino immigrants are rapists and criminals, but this isn't racist. He's not saying they're rapists and criminals because they have brown skin or even because they're mexican, he's saying its because they're illegal immigrants. You should familiarize yourself with what racism actually is. I mean he also says they're not sending their best, which implies trump thinks that there are many good people in Mexico that would qualify as their best.

Your other sources say the same thing in essence.

You're clearly extremely biased and aren't even willing to do any significant research or criticize your own sources.
 
serp777

serp777

Well-Known Member
metis said:
Words sometimes have expanded meanings as time goes on, so "racism" tends to refer to pretty much any bigotry that's "racial" (however defined) or nationality based.
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No it doesn't. The word has been hijacked by social justice warriors since its more inflammatory and has a very negative connotation. Furthermore, prejudice against illegal immigrants from a nation doesn't make someone prejudiced against the entire nation. its the same thing where foolish people say that its racist if you're against Muslims.
 
serp777

serp777

Well-Known Member
averageJOE said:
We all know that stuff already about Hillary. But don't think Trump wouldn't jump on the chance to go back to war. He already stated multiple times his "plan" to fight ISIS, by bombing all the oil fields, then sending in contractors to rebuild and have soldiers protect them.

But think about what could happen here. Trump likes to use terms like "these people are the problem", "these people are bad for the United States of America". Trump himself may or may not be racist, all his supporters are not racists...but I would feel confident in saying all racists are Trump supporters. The attitude he is bringing out in people based on fear and hate is causing a divide. Look at the hatred, violence, and division he created just from his words. What do you think his actions would do?

For the record, I'm with you. I'm a Bernie supporter. But I'm also Never Trump.
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So trump would absolutely go to war, but I don't think he would bugger around in Syria when ISIS is building up and taking territory right next door, and Syria even wants to fight them.

Also I'd say Hillary is a divisive person as well. Many people hate her; you should just look at some of the disgusting comments about her. People don't trust her since she's a massive liar. People also know she's owned by corporate interests. People HATE the fact that their leaders are influenced by money to such a large extent. She fans the flames of fury against wall street.
 
serp777

serp777

Well-Known Member
metis said:
:rolleyes:I have relied on quotes from Trump, as I actually have listened to quite a few of his speeches and read a significant number of his quotes, but I guess you either haven't done as such, or maybe you are so much like Trump that his racist and religiously bigoted statements just don't repulse you.

Hey, whatever floats you rubber ducky.
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Good for you, I don't care, but you've barely cited anything, let alone demonstrate that Trump is a racist. So either you're lying or you just flat out didn't understand anything and jumped to conclusions. You're quite ignorant of pretty much everything surrounding this issue including the definitions of words like racist and bigot.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
serp777 said:
No it doesn't. The word has been hijacked by social justice warriors since its more inflammatory and has a very negative connotation. Furthermore, prejudice against illegal immigrants from a nation doesn't make someone prejudiced against the entire nation. its the same thing where foolish people say that its racist if you're against Muslims.
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Nice try, but quite disingenuous, and even, many Pubs see through this kind of nonsense even if you can't.
 
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