Why would God create Evolution?

[raw_thought]

For arguments sake I will agree that God exists ( I am an agnostic).
Perhaps God created the laws of nature, but not the particulars of our universe. Similarly, the man that invented chess did not compose a particular game of chess.

 

[Thief]

I've heard the devil loves to play chess.

With physical law comes limitation.
I suspect God will abide.

Only now and then when the moment suits Him, unusual things might happen.

How else to know such things CAN happen?

Still, the discussion seems to lack that certainty.
Need a miracle to believe in Something Greater?

How then does a variant in reality prove God is real?

On the contrary, if reality is twisted at the will and whim of Man.....
would there be a God?.....and what would we need Him for?

(I'm just toying with you all....the answers here should be obvious)

 

[William Marques]

Evolution is the result of the transformation, is also the movement of energy in the Universe. The big ban scattered an infinite source of energy that turns the universe and the planets today. The life exists on a planet turns adapting to change and humans acquired intelligence in a process of survival. God is the unite energy that sparked the whole transformation, involves everything and all things:yes::yes:

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

Why not just plant everything immediately? Why take 13 .82 billion years before putting Humans on Earth?

You either accept Evolution or not. And If you do, saying stuff like God's the force behind Evolution, or God has created evolution is meaningless because when you can create stuff from scratch, why create Evolution? Why not just make the products? To mess with smart people who study science?

Who's to say that he/she/it/they, simply wasn't just the spark that ignited the entire process, then stepped back and let everything act on its own accord?

 

[Thief]

Who's to say that he/she/it/they, simply wasn't just the spark that ignited the entire process, then stepped back and let everything act on its own accord?

For the most part.
Let's not (I won't) rule out manipulation.
The Garden event.
The Flood.
Sodom and Gomorrah.
The Ten Plagues of Egypt.

and any prophet you care to name.

 

[averageJOE]

Why not just plant everything immediately? Why take 13 .82 billion years before putting Humans on Earth?

What makes you think that humans are the ends result?

 

[Simurgh]

Who's to say that he/she/it/they, simply wasn't just the spark that ignited the entire process, then stepped back and let everything act on its own accord?

Aha, the idea of deus otiosus is being revisited. How quaint, still the question remains—and not that it has not already been posed often enough—WHY? Seriously, have those godlings nothing better to do than flip on the switch and hop in the recliner to watch the mess unfold? Is that the beginning of Reality TV, and now it is all coming full circle? Yeah, countdown to Armageddon apparently has commenced…and nobody bothered to send the memo.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

Aha, the idea of deus otiosus is being revisited. How quaint, still the question remains—and not that it has not already been posed often enough—WHY? Seriously, have those godlings nothing better to do than flip on the switch and hop in the recliner to watch the mess unfold? Is that the beginning of Reality TV, and now it is all coming full circle? Yeah, countdown to Armageddon apparently has commenced…and nobody bothered to send the memo.

It certainly makes for some pretty good entertainment... That's for sure...Assuming God(s?) are even watching us right now. Although, Im sure there are plenty of other more entertaining things to see throughout the observable universe than this obscure little dirt speck tucked away in the corner of the universe.

 

[Simurgh]

It certainly makes for some pretty good entertainment... That's for sure...Assuming God(s?) are even watching us right now. Although, Im sure there are plenty of other more entertaining things to see throughout the observable universe than this obscure little dirt speck tucked away in the corner of the universe.

You mean that I am not the center of creation and/or the universe? And no god/ess is watching me? All that heroic abstaining from chocolate was for naught?:sad4:

 

[William Marques]

Evolution is a concept related to the time when something that did not exist into existence. Transformation is based on the infinity concept it involves both evolution and involution. Why does God want to change? is it because there is only manifestation in the universe in motion? Otherwise, everything would be nothing and not even be here questioning what God wants with evolution?:run:

 

[Simurgh]

Evolution is a concept related to the time when something that did not exist into existence. Transformation is based on the infinity concept it involves both evolution and involution. Why does God want to change? is it because there is only manifestation in the universe in motion? Otherwise, everything would be nothing and not even be here questioning what God wants with evolution?:run:

Yeah, that then leaves us only with the problem as to who created your god. Until we know that, we need not ask what that god wants with evolution.

 

[Darkstorn]

Why not just plant everything immediately? Why take 13 .82 billion years before putting Humans on Earth?

I guess the answer is the same as why people do stupid things all the time? Or that there's a purpose hidden to us. Or that time is a human concept and god has no need for such: Time is not linear anyway. We can observe things that happened millions of years ago as if they're happening now, in the stars.

Stupid question... Although i agree evolution is a naturalistic process and doesn't have a designer behind it. Nor do i believe in a divine being or a creator in the first place.

Still. You are pretty small minded if THAT is your reasoning... One of the points of christian god is that he's omniscient and all-powerful. So he COULD do anything he wanted, as slow as he wanted...

 

[Thief]

Yeah, that then leaves us only with the problem as to who created your god. Until we know that, we need not ask what that god wants with evolution.

You are aware?.....this argumentative ploy doesn't work.

Someone had to be First in mind and heart.

Who created Him?.....is a false question.

 

[Simurgh]

You are aware?.....this argumentative ploy doesn't work.

Someone had to be First in mind and heart.

Who created Him?.....is a false question.

That kind of thinking might appeal to you, but if you talk about a first cause then you have to have something there that starts that whole process.

You speak of a first heart and mind, so is your deity just like all those gods humanity invented; some ubermensch with a brain and a heart? Someone who got bored one day and made little mud people for her amusement? A deity who eventually turns into a deus otiosus and lets the lesser godlings have at it?

Telling me that this is a false question does not solve the problem. I still don't see who or what had any reason to invent/create the multiverse. It makes no sense.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Asking "who created god" is sort of a weird question. We would need to prove whether God exists or not before we can start thinking about who created him.........

Spot on....:yes:

 

[Willamena]

Why not just plant everything immediately? Why take 13 .82 billion years before putting Humans on Earth?

You either accept Evolution or not. And If you do, saying stuff like God's the force behind Evolution, or God has created evolution is meaningless because when you can create stuff from scratch, why create Evolution? Why not just make the products? To mess with smart people who study science?

Taking the side of the omnipresent/omnipotent god, for argument's sake, "he" did sort of plant everything immediately. Or perhaps imminently is a better term. To be present in each moment of time is to have the entire timeline happen at once: each birth, each mutation, each migration and continental drift, everything that has been and is yet to be, all happening before "him." That we trace the biological changes through time and give that a pattern significance is incidental.

 

[Ouroboros]

Why not just plant everything immediately? Why take 13 .82 billion years before putting Humans on Earth?

You either accept Evolution or not. And If you do, saying stuff like God's the force behind Evolution, or God has created evolution is meaningless because when you can create stuff from scratch, why create Evolution? Why not just make the products? To mess with smart people who study science?

Why make humans at all? If the purpose is to have humans struggle through life and learn how to live correctly towards God, then why not just create obedient and perfect humans that obeys God from scratch? And put them in heaven for eternity? Why not go for the end product all the way instead of half-way? If God already had to put us to the turmoil of living a life on Earth before we can go to the heavenly place where everything is complete and perfect, then why couldn't he also have made the world in such a way that it produced life?

 

[Simurgh]

Asking "who created god" is sort of a weird question. We would need to prove whether God exists or not before we can start thinking about who created him. As far as creating a multiverse goes, a multiverse or universe can be seen as a very large ecosystem. We as humans create ecosystems all the time, whether it be a scientific experiment or even something like a fish tank.

Well, if the creationists state that their god started everything, then I think I am entitled to ask who created their god. After all, they insist that this is all designed by some original watchmaker guy and so on and so forth. So I still want to know who his mom was.

 

[Bunyip]

Asking "who created god" is sort of a weird question. We would need to prove whether God exists or not before we can start thinking about who created him. As far as creating a multiverse goes, a multiverse or universe can be seen as a very large ecosystem. We as humans create ecosystems all the time, whether it be a scientific experiment or even something like a fish tank.

I think that the reason why positing god as the cause is problematic is simply that it is counter to all of our experience to suggest that the complex comes before the simple.

Our experience of the world sugeests very strongly that life began in very simple forms and that they became more complex over time, ultimately leading to amazing organisms like us.

So in our experience of the world the seed becomes the tree, the egg becomes the bird and in an evolutionary sense the bacteria over billions of years evolves into a mouse.

So the original cause/creator if there need be one would logically be more simple than the compexities that emerge later.

If something so simple as the early universe, which was just energy can not come into existence by itself - how are we to accept that an infinitely more complex and improbable intelligent being can?

 

[Thief]

That kind of thinking might appeal to you, but if you talk about a first cause then you have to have something there that starts that whole process.

You speak of a first heart and mind, so is your deity just like all those gods humanity invented; some ubermensch with a brain and a heart? Someone who got bored one day and made little mud people for her amusement? A deity who eventually turns into a deus otiosus and lets the lesser godlings have at it?

Telling me that this is a false question does not solve the problem. I still don't see who or what had any reason to invent/create the multiverse. It makes no sense.

It is here in the post you just made....'something there that starts the whole process'.
Science would have you believe....nothing moves without something to move it.

Now choose.....Spirit first?....or substance?

If substance first then all of life is physical....and terminal.
Man is a mystery without purpose.

If Spirit first....then you have shot of continuance.