TurkeyOnRye
Well-Known Member
Why would God (the Christian god) Create Souls If he knew he would inevitably condemn most of them to an eternity in an endless ocean of fire?
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Why Would God Created Souls If...(Christians Only)
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Scott1
Well-Known Member
"Most of them".... do you have a list?
Aqualung
Tasty
He wouldn't. That's why it makes a lot more sense to believe that everybody (no matter when and where they lived) will have the opportunity to hear his gospel and either accept or reject it.
Well, actually, the teaching of an eternal punishment is not an ancient Jewish teaching. The teaching of an eternal life with God is. The teaching of eternal life has been incorporated into the New Testament and this is why it says that few will find it. This means that most will not have it. I believe (like so many others) that there have been additions of a 'hell-fire' to our New Testament. I can see the logic of there being reward as well as punishment in the afterlife, however, the Bible did not teach that those out of God's favor would receive eternal life reserved for punishment.
I believe that Gehenna, the burning Jerusalem garbage dump, became extinct in 70 A.D. and that there has not, nor will there ever be, a burning garbage dump outside the heavenly Jerusalem.
I believe that Gehenna, the burning Jerusalem garbage dump, became extinct in 70 A.D. and that there has not, nor will there ever be, a burning garbage dump outside the heavenly Jerusalem.
science_is_my_god
Philosophical Monist
Surely the Christian god would have known that there would be plenty of disbelievers out there, with his omniscience, so why would he expect us all to believe in his existence when he would have known that to be an unrealistic expectation?
TurkeyOnRye
Well-Known Member
"Most of them".... do you have a list?
I doubt you believe otherwise. Please, don't ask a question to a question. If you sincerely want me to explain why, I will:
In order to enter the gates of heaven, one must accept Jesus Christ as their personal lord and savior and live a life according to him. About right?
Well, considering Christianity only makes up about 33% of the world's religions (Major Religions Ranked by Size), that figure alone should accommodate the claim that most of the world will go to hell. Also, most Christians are apathetic and do not live their lives according to Jesus Christ. That figure diminishes even further. Let's just say that between 5%-25% of people end up going to heaven and 75%-95% end up going to hell. It sounds about right, doesn't it?
You're thinking in the context that we are already here. I mean before he decided to create us.
And we're not the ones pushing the button. God is sending us to hell. If he doesn't want to send us to heaven...whatever, that's his business. But he doesn't need to send us to hell, and yes, it is his choice. I sure as hell wouldn't choose to burn for the rest of eternity.
That idea is absolutely false, unless you believe in reincarnation, which of course, Christianity rejects and is incompatible with. Plenty of people live and die without ever hearing so much as a whisper of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
tomspug
Absorbant
The Bible says that all will see God in the end. So the belief and disbelief of the population is irrelevant. Everyone will KNOW, in the end, whether or not God exists. The question is whether or not we will ACCEPT him as he is. Those that reject God choose their own fate.
The whole idea that God would condemn people for something that is outside of their control is ridiculous. I wouldn't want to believe in a God like that.
science_is_my_god
Philosophical Monist
Wow. Some pretty outlandish statements here. Got any proof to back any of this up? And no, "the Bible tells me so" is NOT proof.
tomspug
Absorbant
I thought we were discussing the Christian concept of God? I was responding to YOUR comment. Did you want to start a different thread to discuss this?
science_is_my_god
Philosophical Monist
No, I was just stating that you have no basis to your claim, so I feel that your response is unintelligible.
TurkeyOnRye
Well-Known Member
Stay on topic guys. By the way, if anyone would like to respond to my previous post, that would be grand.
Phasmid
Mr Invisible
I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Do you mean that everyone will see God when they die and will then get the chance to either accept Him or reject Him?
I underlined "as he is" because that seems to suggest something different to my above statement. Could you clarify?
Charity
Let's go racing boys !
That is just your opinion, prove he has no basis for his claim....I would like to see your proof...............:sarcastic
science_is_my_god
Philosophical Monist
I was on topic, I was stating that tomspug's notion of "all souls will find god" to have no factual basis.
Aqualung
Tasty
That is not the only "unless". There is life after death (obviously, that's a pretty Christian idea). Since we aren't judged exactly when we die (everybody is judged at the same time, as the Bible teaches), there will be some time after death but before the judgement.
science_is_my_god
Philosophical Monist
To prove that his claim is invalid, look at his posts and note that there isn't one shred of evidence that supports his claim.
Aqualung
Tasty
Um, yeah, that pretty much is proof in a religious discussion about Christianity's belief. Since Christians base their belief on the Bible, that is certainly proof. By choosing to debate a Christian about Christian beliefs, you are accepting a certain number of premises implicitly. If you don't accept the premise that the Bible is the Christian's handbook of religion, then the debate can't progress past, "Oh, so you're a Christian?" "Yeah..." [All sit in awkward silence].