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Why Would God Created Souls If...(Christians Only)

ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
TurkeyOnRye said:
Why would God (the Christian god) Create Souls If he knew he would inevitably condemn most of them to an eternity in an endless ocean of fire?
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Not all of us believe in an ocean of fire (as you call it). And not all Christians believe that so many people are condemned.
 
Charity

Charity

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Aqualung said:
That is not the only "unless". There is life after death (obviously, that's a pretty Christian idea). Since we aren't judged exactly when we die (everybody is judged at the same time, as the Bible teaches), there will be some time after death but before the judgement.
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I believe along the line with the statement that you just made. We will be judged at the same time at what is referred to as the White Throne Judgement.
 
ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
Phasmid said:
Why not if it's written in the Bible?
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Revelation is totally in symbolism (about the "lake of fire". What Jesus said about the chaff of wheat being burned is also symbolism. That is the way I see it. I also believe that a person can't reject God if they don't even believe in Him. They only reject the idea of God, as far as I can tell.

These are my own own opinions and beliefs from what I gather reading the Bible, particularly the New Testament.
 
Charity

Charity

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The Bible says that hell enlarges itself every day, would that not mean that it is making room for a lot more people than what we think.....The bible also says that not everyone who says Lord, will be going to Heaven....:confused: Is this due to the fact that anyone can call out his name, but not everyone follows in his footsteps?
 
ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
Charity, I see them all the time! People who pray on TV and such and aren't sincere at all. They are using God as a means to get power and/or money. That is what Jesus probably meant when he said "not all those who call the name Lord..."
 
Charity

Charity

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ChristineES said:
Charity, I see them all the time! People who pray on TV and such and aren't sincere at all. They are using God as a means to get power and/or money. That is what Jesus probably meant when he said "not all those who call the name Lord..."
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Yes I know, having a from or godliness, but denying the power thereof.....I think there is another good word we can use here.....to describe them..
 
science_is_my_god

science_is_my_god

Philosophical Monist
Actually, on a different note, historians now believe that the concept of hell was not created until after the 8th or 9th centuries a.d. to try to get more followers to the church.
 
ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
science_is_my_god said:
Actually, on a different note, historians now believe that the concept of hell was not created until after the 8th or 9th centuries a.d. to try to get more followers to the church.
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Yeah, even I, as a Christian, believe that. It is rather sad, if you ask me. And turns a lot of people off!!
 
TurkeyOnRye

TurkeyOnRye

Well-Known Member
NOTE:

This thread topic assumes biblical validity but Christians MUST source their scriptural claims if they are in question...OR...provide logical proofs based on universally accepted material.
 
Charity

Charity

Let's go racing boys !
science_is_my_god said:
Actually, on a different note, historians now believe that the concept of hell was not created until after the 8th or 9th centuries a.d. to try to get more followers to the church.
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How could it have been in the OT prophecy if it were not started until the time you say 8th or 9th centuries a.d.
 
Scott1

Scott1

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science_is_my_god said:
Actually, on a different note, historians now believe that the concept of hell was not created until after the 8th or 9th centuries a.d. to try to get more followers to the church.
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Those "historians" may be looking for work soon in the exiting field of fast food:

Ignatius of Antioch
"Corrupters of families will not inherit the kingdom of God. And if they who do these things according to the flesh suffer death, how much more if a man corrupt by evil teaching the faith of God for the sake of which Jesus Christ was crucified? A man become so foul will depart into unquenchable fire: and so will anyone who listens to him" (Letter to the Ephesians 16:1–2 [A.D. 110]).

Second Clement
"If we do the will of Christ, we shall obtain rest; but if not, if we neglect his commandments, nothing will rescue us from eternal punishment" (Second Clement 5:5 [A.D. 150]).
"But when they see how those who have sinned and who have denied Jesus by their words or by their deeds are punished with terrible torture in unquenchable fire, the righteous, who have done good, and who have endured tortures and have hated the luxuries of life, will give glory to their God saying, ‘There shall be hope for him that has served God with all his heart!’" (ibid., 17:7).

Justin Martyr
"No more is it possible for the evildoer, the avaricious, and the treacherous to hide from God than it is for the virtuous. Every man will receive the eternal punishment or reward which his actions deserve. Indeed, if all men recognized this, no one would choose evil even for a short time, knowing that he would incur the eternal sentence of fire. On the contrary, he would take every means to control himself and to adorn himself in virtue, so that he might obtain the good gifts of God and escape the punishments" (First Apology 12 [A.D. 151]).
"We have been taught that only they may aim at immortality who have lived a holy and virtuous life near to God. We believe that they who live wickedly and do not repent will be punished in everlasting fire" (ibid., 21).
"[Jesus] shall come from the heavens in glory with his angelic host, when he shall raise the bodies of all the men who ever lived. Then he will clothe the worthy in immortality; but the wicked, clothed in eternal sensibility, he will commit to the eternal fire, along with the evil demons" (ibid., 52).

The Martyrdom of Polycarp
"Fixing their minds on the grace of Christ, [the martyrs] despised worldly tortures and purchased eternal life with but a single hour. To them, the fire of their cruel torturers was cold. They kept before their eyes their escape from the eternal and unquenchable fire" (Martyrdom of Polycarp 2:3 [A.D. 155]).

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science_is_my_god

science_is_my_god

Philosophical Monist
Scott1 said:
Those "historians" may be looking for work soon in the exiting field of fast food:

Ignatius of Antioch
"Corrupters of families will not inherit the kingdom of God. And if they who do these things according to the flesh suffer death, how much more if a man corrupt by evil teaching the faith of God for the sake of which Jesus Christ was crucified? A man become so foul will depart into unquenchable fire: and so will anyone who listens to him" (Letter to the Ephesians 16:1–2 [A.D. 110]).

Second Clement
"If we do the will of Christ, we shall obtain rest; but if not, if we neglect his commandments, nothing will rescue us from eternal punishment" (Second Clement 5:5 [A.D. 150]).
"But when they see how those who have sinned and who have denied Jesus by their words or by their deeds are punished with terrible torture in unquenchable fire, the righteous, who have done good, and who have endured tortures and have hated the luxuries of life, will give glory to their God saying, ‘There shall be hope for him that has served God with all his heart!’" (ibid., 17:7).

Justin Martyr
"No more is it possible for the evildoer, the avaricious, and the treacherous to hide from God than it is for the virtuous. Every man will receive the eternal punishment or reward which his actions deserve. Indeed, if all men recognized this, no one would choose evil even for a short time, knowing that he would incur the eternal sentence of fire. On the contrary, he would take every means to control himself and to adorn himself in virtue, so that he might obtain the good gifts of God and escape the punishments" (First Apology 12 [A.D. 151]).
"We have been taught that only they may aim at immortality who have lived a holy and virtuous life near to God. We believe that they who live wickedly and do not repent will be punished in everlasting fire" (ibid., 21).
"[Jesus] shall come from the heavens in glory with his angelic host, when he shall raise the bodies of all the men who ever lived. Then he will clothe the worthy in immortality; but the wicked, clothed in eternal sensibility, he will commit to the eternal fire, along with the evil demons" (ibid., 52).

The Martyrdom of Polycarp
"Fixing their minds on the grace of Christ, [the martyrs] despised worldly tortures and purchased eternal life with but a single hour. To them, the fire of their cruel torturers was cold. They kept before their eyes their escape from the eternal and unquenchable fire" (Martyrdom of Polycarp 2:3 [A.D. 155]).

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My point is that historians believe that a lot of those references were mis-dated. They ran carbon-dating procedures and found out that the original manuscrips were not written when they were claimed they were written. And no, I'm pretty sure they wont be working fast food, they all have big-wig diplomas and PHD's. Higher than your level of education I suspect.
 
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