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Why Would Noah's Flood Have Been the Best Way for God to Cleanse the Earth?
- Thread starter David Davidovich
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Eve kept on looking at the forbidden fruit ' seeing ' that it was good.
Perhaps she noticed by observing animals eating from fallen fruit and saw they did Not die.
Remember: the fruit was Not poisonous but forbidden to Adam and Eve.
Instead of consulting Adam then Eve chose to be her own goddess in knowing what was right and what was wrong.
Since Adam believed God was right about the death penalty, then Adam deliberately chose to accept the forbidden fruit from wife Eve and knowing the dire consequences chose to die with her.
David Davidovich
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Okay, let's back up a little bit. You said, "So they had to love both God and the life He gave them." So, then why didn't both A&E love God and the life he gave them? Remeber what the two scriptures that I sited in the OP of my other thread said: 1 Corinthians 13:8 NIV - Love never fails. But where there are - Bible Gateway and Romans 8:38-39 NIV - For I am convinced that neither death - Bible Gateway.
click here for the OP: Love and Rebellion
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David Davidovich
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No problem.
David Davidovich
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So are you saying that animals may have eaten fallen fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Because I have never heard of that hypothesis before.
But why didn't Eve's love for God prevent her from doing that? And... did she even have love for God?
So, why didn't Adam's love for God prevent him from doing that? And... did he even have love for God?
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I'm not sure I'm following you, DD. I figure A&E may have taken life for granted and did not appreciate what they had been given. They didn't ask for life. (Neither did any of us.) I think it's a good question you ask. Eve was different from Adam. She fell for Satan's deceptive reasoning, because he knew if she did what God said not to do she would die. I'm sure of that. And that he attacked Eve before Adam I believe he also knew that would hurt Adam. I look at life now and realize the wonderful, fabulous aspects of it. I want to keep living. But I know death looms before me. Even before I realized God's promises of everlasting life in a paradise I hated the idea that we would have to die some day. Although I had no faith and did not understand the Bible, I still did not want to die. Not sure I'm answering your question. They saw life. And evidently God visited them on a regular basis. They knew He gave them life. So I guess life is intermingled with the being of God. Jesus said he is the life. John 14:6 - "Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
Subduction Zone
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But that was not God's claim. God said "On that day you will die". They did not die. God knew that they would not die. God lied in the myth.
Subduction Zone
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And who is to say that Adam and Eve would not have died if they had not eaten the fruit. There were two trees in the garden. They could have eaten from the Tree of Life and lived forever at any time. It was not until after they ate from the Tree of Knowledge that God went "Uh oh! I ****ed up! Better put a guard around the Tree of Life or they are going to be kicking me out before too long".
rational experiences
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God in man's science O his human only applied calculus. No reaction position is science first. Science by his man quote safe. Lied.
Machines using transmitters...not science. Using heavens machine doesn't own heavens.
Man digs up earth mass attacks the mass and converts it. His ark of stone thesis.
Removes in space only owned terms cold sealed mass as cold gases. Out of space history. So it changes in two places above as below.
O UFO ark appears above starts burning out cold clouds. Angels no longer held as God cooling by G flow O motion __________burn out around earth O every nation said man of god O earth body planet science.
O circular event occurs everywhere.
So by flame his Satan god O UFO ark he said lying cleanses. Then real god owning his human bio life as water floods. UFO ark hits the mountain stopped.
God by flood saves life as cloud accumulation has to go higher up flooding mass so flood goes over mountain to force ark to land.
God by ufo ark was destroying liFe. Told by the scientist gods ark will kill you all.
As a man scientists confession said
God taught me how to build a conversion of stone. God told me how. By my mans calculus measures.
I was warned by my own man's predictions life sacrificed man that the earth flood would save us from the satanic attack men in temple pyramid science.
Who were doing physical manual converting of mass themselves ignoring that UFO ark mass was building it's presence. Above us.
He was told he was wrong. The human society of scientists mocked him. So did most drunken sexually promiscuous revellers chemical brain changed.
Would not heed any human warnings.
Flooding came so his human predictive awareness proven correct.
Flood also killed a lot of lives drowned.
Gods ark killed life.
Man's stone ark convenant reactions he measured and built himself. As science of man's ark.
Phenomena ark UFO owned by God in heavens only. Changed gods cloud angels into satans falling burning angels in every nation.
Was the real human teaching.
Machines using transmitters...not science. Using heavens machine doesn't own heavens.
Man digs up earth mass attacks the mass and converts it. His ark of stone thesis.
Removes in space only owned terms cold sealed mass as cold gases. Out of space history. So it changes in two places above as below.
O UFO ark appears above starts burning out cold clouds. Angels no longer held as God cooling by G flow O motion __________burn out around earth O every nation said man of god O earth body planet science.
O circular event occurs everywhere.
So by flame his Satan god O UFO ark he said lying cleanses. Then real god owning his human bio life as water floods. UFO ark hits the mountain stopped.
God by flood saves life as cloud accumulation has to go higher up flooding mass so flood goes over mountain to force ark to land.
God by ufo ark was destroying liFe. Told by the scientist gods ark will kill you all.
As a man scientists confession said
God taught me how to build a conversion of stone. God told me how. By my mans calculus measures.
I was warned by my own man's predictions life sacrificed man that the earth flood would save us from the satanic attack men in temple pyramid science.
Who were doing physical manual converting of mass themselves ignoring that UFO ark mass was building it's presence. Above us.
He was told he was wrong. The human society of scientists mocked him. So did most drunken sexually promiscuous revellers chemical brain changed.
Would not heed any human warnings.
Flooding came so his human predictive awareness proven correct.
Flood also killed a lot of lives drowned.
Gods ark killed life.
Man's stone ark convenant reactions he measured and built himself. As science of man's ark.
Phenomena ark UFO owned by God in heavens only. Changed gods cloud angels into satans falling burning angels in every nation.
Was the real human teaching.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I know. Either for ego or for power. Some claim to be representatives of a God.
Why should they? In their culture it is their responsibility to safe-guard their possessions, food or females.
David Davidovich
Well-Known Member
Then you are supporting the case that F1fan is arguing either in this thread or the other one, or both. Also, how could A&E take life for granted and not appreciate what they had been given? Was there a flaw in their emotions or their mental faculties?
But isn't that beside the point? Every intelligent being in the universe was given life and didn't ask for it.
Thank you.
But still, according to scripture, love never fails and there's not anything in all creation that will be able to separate [God's children] from the love of God. Therefore, why did A&E's love for God fail? Or, did they even have love for God? And if not, then why?
So, then I would say that they really didn't have a reason not to love and appreciate God. However, the Genesis story seems to make it real easy for A&E to not love God and to rebel against him.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
If you weren't a self destructive personality thinker you can be a rational human.
You can say correctly a human is one species name is a human. Or the human.
No other names as human is the species.
No other name.
Then you can say only because you observe two humans of one human species. You say two of every species exists as you see it does.
Using words by natural observation and not a sick in the head human theist. Who sought destructive advice. From created sealed creation.
As blatant as the bible should quote.
But as the sick in the head man of science who caused it then reviewed his advice you say you wrote a confession the bible as a humans caused self contradiction.
Yet your ego doesn't keep saying it. As you live using ego.
Instead of quoting the bible is a confession you taught it created life.
A dust reaction on earths ground with the sun was a direct nuclear reaction only.
Machine status.
Dust converted nuclear reaction position.
That depiction says no life existed.
Why a human was challenged asked why they thought it was a safe practice. It says it isnt.
Human ego however says I will design machine controlled cooling.
Ignoring space owned why a gas existed in either place.
Inside stone.
Inside a heavens.
So as a human does not own space conditions as the body space is one immense body in any thesis the whole body itself. Science lies.
Convert ING earths mass by humans thin K ING using K constant made holes themselves.
Holes that had not pre existed in the mass they decide to change.
Was the teaching natural human versus scientific lying human theist.
Who is a natural equal human first yet uses unnatural and evil human thoughts to build machines to do evil.
Natural humans own no evil.
Natural human theist owns no evil is theorising only.
Machine status causes the evil.
Human warning don't build use machines taking life's place by life's destruction.
Isn't a new thesis for a new satanist.
You can say correctly a human is one species name is a human. Or the human.
No other names as human is the species.
No other name.
Then you can say only because you observe two humans of one human species. You say two of every species exists as you see it does.
Using words by natural observation and not a sick in the head human theist. Who sought destructive advice. From created sealed creation.
As blatant as the bible should quote.
But as the sick in the head man of science who caused it then reviewed his advice you say you wrote a confession the bible as a humans caused self contradiction.
Yet your ego doesn't keep saying it. As you live using ego.
Instead of quoting the bible is a confession you taught it created life.
A dust reaction on earths ground with the sun was a direct nuclear reaction only.
Machine status.
Dust converted nuclear reaction position.
That depiction says no life existed.
Why a human was challenged asked why they thought it was a safe practice. It says it isnt.
Human ego however says I will design machine controlled cooling.
Ignoring space owned why a gas existed in either place.
Inside stone.
Inside a heavens.
So as a human does not own space conditions as the body space is one immense body in any thesis the whole body itself. Science lies.
Convert ING earths mass by humans thin K ING using K constant made holes themselves.
Holes that had not pre existed in the mass they decide to change.
Was the teaching natural human versus scientific lying human theist.
Who is a natural equal human first yet uses unnatural and evil human thoughts to build machines to do evil.
Natural humans own no evil.
Natural human theist owns no evil is theorising only.
Machine status causes the evil.
Human warning don't build use machines taking life's place by life's destruction.
Isn't a new thesis for a new satanist.
Today we see animals eat fallen fruit and they don't die from eating it. (Genesis 3:6)
Satan could have put the idea in Eve's head that if nothing happened to an animal that nothing would happen to her.
Remember it says that Eve ' saw ' the fruit was good for eating. She ' saw ' by observation.
Eve's love was weak, because instead of consulting Adam first she set herself up as being her own goddess.
Yes, BIG question why didn't Adam's love for God hold him back from listening to Eve.
Remember we don't know how long Adam was a single man before Eve.
It would have taken Adam a long time to complete his God-given assignment found at Genesis 2:19-20.
Then, we don't know how long Adam and Eve were together before sinning.
As to why Adam chose Eve over his God, perhaps when Abel is resurrected he might have some answers for us.
'If not, why not' is a wonder for sure. When Abel is resurrected we'll have to ask Abel for his thoughts.
Satan started out good (James 1:13-15) so what caused Satan to become a Satan, a Devil.
Satan wants humans to worship him, Satan developed his own EGO - Philippians 2:3-4; Galatians 5:26
Satan (and all angels) besides Adam and Eve were all created with having free-will choices.
Just as Not all angels followed Satan, Not all people do ( Jesus and Job for good examples )
So, just because some angels did not appreciate their Creator and Father, Adam and Eve did Not appreciate.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Right, it is wrong for women to do anything without asking men (Adam was not yet Eve's husband, they had yet not eaten the fruit).
It all happened on the sixth day. God rested only after making Adam and Eve fall.
27. So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
With God's help, things do not take long. It may have been instantaneous. And did Adam named all of them? Virus, Fungi, lichens, for example (including deep-sea creatures whom we have known only in the last 100 years)? And we do not know all the viruses that are hiding in polar and tundra snow.
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rational experiences
Veteran Member
A long time ago after the ice age. New spirit emerged out of the eternal. Direct and instant.
After the balances cooled cooling atmosphere from snap freeze began.
So man's footprints are seen in the same footprint of a dinosaur as snap freeze and melt was reactive then. How it's proof or evidence.
As proof yes they came direct and instant out of the eternal owning pre formed spirit physical bodies new animals and new human's. Returned.
No dinosaurs all dead. New atmosphere.
As the garden nature's Life underground survived. Came direct into nature garden.
Instant melt saved nature however a lot of nature was destroyed.
Father and mother. Spiritual innocent life. Had sex. Gained new human life.
Babies.
Baby man adult then was star fall earth irradiated so chemical brain changed. So did his human behaviour.
Wanting as young man instant hierarchy and not honouring old wise. Natural human family.
Brothers agreed.
Began raids on tribes stealing women.
Led to civilization then science.
So the innocent meek human's ruled the earth then. Balanced spiritual personalities and mutual.
Star fall the changed mind.
Science was heard speaking voice by imbalanced mens chemical brain. Recorded Satan angels giant human images....recorded from origin earths total scientific pyramid life's destruction.
Real history.
Copied all advice built the detail. Father still spiritual proven today to all humanity owning the same status now spiritual humans versus evil.minds told him not to...it was evil.
Now you know young man theist scientist new pyramid science theories is our destroyer now.
Storage of the transmitters from temple in mountains to ground pyramid was crystal storage capped to below.
No ground science then and no UFO Phi fallout either.
First sciences position no other type of science a memory only.
When they used the science storage energy was to convert earths ground mass dusts. It was why the space zero of rock changed as did heavens support gas clear space zero change.
The immaculate body started to time shift back to CHrist..
CH burning gases. Out of volcano history.
How the UFO formed by science of humans. It was an unnatural cause. They didn't realise they would cause it. It had not been planned.
So when it began to rain the cloud accumulated huge masses that went high into earths atmosphere cooling.
So rained poured down over the mountains where the UFO had begun changing mass on mountains face into melt and dusts. Burnt blackened mt sin AI face as proof.
Rain above forced the UFO burning to hit land mt Ararat temple where it left its nuclear melt eye ark mark.
Then clouds cooled where animal and human ground life murdered abducted water holy life appeared in the images as proof life had been sacrificed again as a human's notified Satan angel cause.
As evidence yes it happened.
So Satanists to day your ancient brother was not using the UFO it manifested because science removed space zero support above and below.
Today theists tried to infer pyramids were using the presence UFO. It actually destroyed their technology as it burnt holes in mass.
As mass wasn't meant to be converted it was just a human choice. New reactions now isn't the old reaction of the past that ceased ended as it had been stopped cooled.
Hence since then 2012 Jesus event activated new different ufo ark. It was the vacuum voiding predictive end to UFO Phi fallout ground life attack sacrifice.
Never happened as nuclear science human choice only reinvested life's destruction with new UFO accumulative attacks. So we now await life's destruction just like before by human Satanists the scientist.
As science only ever was a humans thesis. It didn't exist until it was practiced by humans. Why the practitioners were named Satanists against God existing.
God terms cooled balanced natural heavens. Gases existing as bodily mass.
Earth mass sealed.....
God.
No dust converting allowed as it's not termed God.
After the balances cooled cooling atmosphere from snap freeze began.
So man's footprints are seen in the same footprint of a dinosaur as snap freeze and melt was reactive then. How it's proof or evidence.
As proof yes they came direct and instant out of the eternal owning pre formed spirit physical bodies new animals and new human's. Returned.
No dinosaurs all dead. New atmosphere.
As the garden nature's Life underground survived. Came direct into nature garden.
Instant melt saved nature however a lot of nature was destroyed.
Father and mother. Spiritual innocent life. Had sex. Gained new human life.
Babies.
Baby man adult then was star fall earth irradiated so chemical brain changed. So did his human behaviour.
Wanting as young man instant hierarchy and not honouring old wise. Natural human family.
Brothers agreed.
Began raids on tribes stealing women.
Led to civilization then science.
So the innocent meek human's ruled the earth then. Balanced spiritual personalities and mutual.
Star fall the changed mind.
Science was heard speaking voice by imbalanced mens chemical brain. Recorded Satan angels giant human images....recorded from origin earths total scientific pyramid life's destruction.
Real history.
Copied all advice built the detail. Father still spiritual proven today to all humanity owning the same status now spiritual humans versus evil.minds told him not to...it was evil.
Now you know young man theist scientist new pyramid science theories is our destroyer now.
Storage of the transmitters from temple in mountains to ground pyramid was crystal storage capped to below.
No ground science then and no UFO Phi fallout either.
First sciences position no other type of science a memory only.
When they used the science storage energy was to convert earths ground mass dusts. It was why the space zero of rock changed as did heavens support gas clear space zero change.
The immaculate body started to time shift back to CHrist..
CH burning gases. Out of volcano history.
How the UFO formed by science of humans. It was an unnatural cause. They didn't realise they would cause it. It had not been planned.
So when it began to rain the cloud accumulated huge masses that went high into earths atmosphere cooling.
So rained poured down over the mountains where the UFO had begun changing mass on mountains face into melt and dusts. Burnt blackened mt sin AI face as proof.
Rain above forced the UFO burning to hit land mt Ararat temple where it left its nuclear melt eye ark mark.
Then clouds cooled where animal and human ground life murdered abducted water holy life appeared in the images as proof life had been sacrificed again as a human's notified Satan angel cause.
As evidence yes it happened.
So Satanists to day your ancient brother was not using the UFO it manifested because science removed space zero support above and below.
Today theists tried to infer pyramids were using the presence UFO. It actually destroyed their technology as it burnt holes in mass.
As mass wasn't meant to be converted it was just a human choice. New reactions now isn't the old reaction of the past that ceased ended as it had been stopped cooled.
Hence since then 2012 Jesus event activated new different ufo ark. It was the vacuum voiding predictive end to UFO Phi fallout ground life attack sacrifice.
Never happened as nuclear science human choice only reinvested life's destruction with new UFO accumulative attacks. So we now await life's destruction just like before by human Satanists the scientist.
As science only ever was a humans thesis. It didn't exist until it was practiced by humans. Why the practitioners were named Satanists against God existing.
God terms cooled balanced natural heavens. Gases existing as bodily mass.
Earth mass sealed.....
God.
No dust converting allowed as it's not termed God.
David Davidovich
Well-Known Member
But verse 6 says, "When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye..." Therefore, I had never looked at that as meaning that A&E had always noticed that the animals didn't die from eating of that tree and that the fruit could be good to eat. But that verse uses the word "when," which I've always viewed that Eve had never desired the fruit previously until after Satan tempted her.
But nowhere in those verses indicate that. But that's merely conjecture that you've made on your own..
But how could she have been weak in any possible way since she was supposed to have been perfect? Unless your viewpoint of Eve is based more on sexism or perhaps even misogyny since a lot of that type of dialogue occurs in the Bible and especially in the Hebrew scriptures.
But what does that have to do with anything?
But what does that have to do with anything?
That's a nonanswer.
An answer that is so vague or noncommittal as to be worthless.
nonanswer - Wiktionary
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Not that I see according to the account. Eve believed Satan. She really thought she wouldn't die. I guess in that context she did appreciate what she was given (life) since she really believed the Devil that she would not die.
Yes, but from what I am learning, many people, even some who say they believe in God and/or the Bible, believe in evolution and that they will die according to nature. They don't speak of a resurrection. I know I face death, but I also believe that God will eventually do away with death.
Let's talk about free choice for a minute. (Some people say they believe in it, but think everything is foreordained by God in advance. To me, that's not free choice. But anyway -- let's talk about free choice for a minute.) God gave Adam and Eve the ability to choose, did He not? Eve was doing ok by not eating the tree of knowledge of good and evil but was craftily approached by the devil. How exactly this happened we do not know, whether she thought the snake spoke to her, or whether he really did speak, we don't know. But reason she did on what he told her. Let's stop there for a moment.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Another proof it was the human scientists who murdered natural history man DNA genesis. You can't time shift a human. You only mutate it.
Doing a new dust nuclear reaction is instant. When cold shut off any past reaction.
So a tornado you say in science I know it shuts off. As in the past it shut off. Yet it came again.
So some heavens reactions aren't controlled as proof its not science.
So if the heavens owns the same gases now as they did in the old human past ....what status would by science predict by science change in a humans future?
Only the removal UFO Phi fallout.
That owned burning gases cooling. As only pressure on the ground changed crop stalks.
Isn't a scientific thesis about heavens gases as they should not be burning falling. Theorising about it is false science.
Void vacuum owned natural gas burn as natural light. Balance womb space 12/12.
Human theories science light yet first didn't own it at the ground life by water oxygen did.... tried to bring it to the ground base themselves.
Which meant removing humans life health using water and oxygen.
Causes lots of breathing ailments.
Any type of unhealthy human DNA expressed.
Which we were promised healthy life returned healing would be returned year 2012 by human law agreement advised on Jesus life sacrificed advice.
0AD agreement clause by all world leaders of their time. No nuclear Alchemy science agreement.
Temples of science pyramids toppled old science outlawed.
The Bible's promise was man scientist about not changing natural God the terms a human scientist imposed meant God. Cold highest position a gas. Sealed cold highest position earth mass.
Human scientists and rich man's trade greed reniged on a previous human law social agreement.
Doing a new dust nuclear reaction is instant. When cold shut off any past reaction.
So a tornado you say in science I know it shuts off. As in the past it shut off. Yet it came again.
So some heavens reactions aren't controlled as proof its not science.
So if the heavens owns the same gases now as they did in the old human past ....what status would by science predict by science change in a humans future?
Only the removal UFO Phi fallout.
That owned burning gases cooling. As only pressure on the ground changed crop stalks.
Isn't a scientific thesis about heavens gases as they should not be burning falling. Theorising about it is false science.
Void vacuum owned natural gas burn as natural light. Balance womb space 12/12.
Human theories science light yet first didn't own it at the ground life by water oxygen did.... tried to bring it to the ground base themselves.
Which meant removing humans life health using water and oxygen.
Causes lots of breathing ailments.
Any type of unhealthy human DNA expressed.
Which we were promised healthy life returned healing would be returned year 2012 by human law agreement advised on Jesus life sacrificed advice.
0AD agreement clause by all world leaders of their time. No nuclear Alchemy science agreement.
Temples of science pyramids toppled old science outlawed.
The Bible's promise was man scientist about not changing natural God the terms a human scientist imposed meant God. Cold highest position a gas. Sealed cold highest position earth mass.
Human scientists and rich man's trade greed reniged on a previous human law social agreement.
