Why?

[Dawnofhope]

I’d love it if someone came up with proof that a god exists. Wouldn’t that be cool? So exciting! But nothing in the Bible or any other religious writings can be considered proof and enormous amounts of those writings can be proven to be false.

As Carl Sagan said, “Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence”. The claim that supernatural beings exist is most certainly extraordinary, but the evidence offered is remarkably unconvincing.

For me, this thread is about respecting those whose beliefs differ from our own and having enough wisdom and humility that we desist from criticism. I’m good with your atheism as I am with the theism of others.

 

[Trackdayguy]

Does it really matter. If we become bothered then we have to be tolerant & respectful as you correctly say. Isn't easier to just not be bothered or is there something in all of us that likes to pass judgement on what others do but are then forced to be tolerant and respectful.

So why are we so bothered.

 

[viole]

Why is so difficult for many people to accept others beliefs ?
Instead of asking Why do you believe this, or if what you say is correct why does "this" happen? and let them give you an aswer many tend to get angry and "attack" others belief.

It is ok to disagree with others, but do we need to mock them for what they believe in?

Good point.

I used to believe that God was a giant invisible dinosaur wearing a cop’s hat and named Bob, and that little tiny fairies were eating all my carrots, when I was not watching. I also believed that Santa was the son of one of those fairies infesting my garden, and he was bringing me presents at Christmas to apologize.

I always found it rude that people were laughing at me and showed no respect for my cherished beliefs.

What do you think?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Trackdayguy]

Good point.

I used to believe that God was a giant invisible dinosaur wearing a cop’s hat and named Bob, and that little tiny fairies were eating all my carrots, when I was not watching. I also believed that Santa was the son of one of those fairies infesting my garden, and he was bringing me presents at Christmas to apologize.

I always found it rude that people were laughing at me and showed no respect for my cherished beliefs.

What do you think?

Ciao

- viole

You may need to change the dosage........

 

[viole]

You may need to change the dosage........

What dosage? Respect my ex beliefs please. Others do not seem to be concerned with dosage, and my dosage is peanuts compared with theirs. A few lines vs. thousands of pages for instance.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Earthling]

Okay, all seriousness aside...

I think it's a matter of perception. Something may appear to be an attack when it's not.

I tend to ask questions that are intended to make people think...to make them question what they believe...to find out if one is being true to oneself with what they believe or if they believe something just because someone told them to.

I happen to like to laugh, so I will often inject humor if not only for my own entertainment, but for the entertainment of others. Some will take exception to such queries, but most do not, especially those that ask questions if they do not completely understand the intent behind mine.

Okay. When do you just shut down? For some time, early after my first posting here the second time (as Rothschild Saxe Coburg Gotha) I wouldn't read any post by you or @Sunstone because I felt you tended towards what I perceived as intellectual snobbery. You just shut down at the slightest provocation. That could have been personal disliking for my approach, which can be vulgar to say the least, but I've noticed it with others as well recently. @metis announced he was putting me on ignore for asking what I though were polite questions about something, I don't remember what, and @Axe Elf just shut down when I couldn't comprehend his refusal to believe in a God that wasn't omnipotent. As I've said, it could just be me, I tend to like a down and dirty debate and can't imagine just shutting down without responding unless it has gone on way too long. Like many evolution vs. creation discussions tend to do.

 

[Firemorphic]

I don't care at all what you believe, it doesn't keep me awake at night.
But if I hear of human rights violations, I will definitely be very vocal about it.

 

[Sunstone]

Okay. When do you just shut down? For some time, early after my first posting here the second time (as Rothschild Saxe Coburg Gotha) I wouldn't read any post by you or @Sunstone because I felt you tended towards what I perceived as intellectual snobbery. You just shut down at the slightest provocation. That could have been personal disliking for my approach, which can be vulgar to say the least, but I've noticed it with others as well recently. @metis announced he was putting me on ignore for asking what I though were polite questions about something, I don't remember what, and @Axe Elf just shut down when I couldn't comprehend his refusal to believe in a God that wasn't omnipotent. As I've said, it could just be me, I tend to like a down and dirty debate and can't imagine just shutting down without responding unless it has gone on way too long. Like many evolution vs. creation discussions tend to do.

Relax. It's nothing personal that I usually don't read your posts or respond to them, Earthling. Some things bore me. I'm sure some things bore you too. I don't take offense when I learn someone is bored by what I have to say. You're bound to bore some people in this world.

 

[Earthling]

Relax. It's nothing personal that I usually don't read your posts or respond to them, Earthling. Some things bore me. I'm sure some things bore you too. I don't take offense when I learn someone is bored by what I have to say. You're bound to bore some people in this world.

Oh, sure, I'm relaxed about it. I understand that completely, but usually in a thread that I start I try and take into account everyone's input that I can. So, shutting down might not be a sign of aggression but rather, boredom. It was in threads that you two had started that I first felt this, but I'm over it now. Some of the two of your posts do bore me, but I don't respond to those. I can tell by the subject heading normally. It isn't the person but the subject.

Okay, cool. I was just wondering what the shutting down signified. Aggression, defense, annoyance, or, well, weakness is what would be my possible misinterpretation. If you can't argue then you shut up.

 

[ajay0]

Why is so difficult for many people to accept others beliefs ?
Instead of asking Why do you believe this, or if what you say is correct why does "this" happen? and let them give you an aswer many tend to get angry and "attack" others belief.

It is ok to disagree with others, but do we need to mock them for what they believe in?

Most people invest their identities and ego in their belief systems. And when they meet something contrary to it, they take it as an assault on their ego, and consequently react. This results in conflict, violence and wars.

This is not just with religion, but also with political ideologies, social beliefs and so on.

True religion is to bring one to the point of knowing and direct experience, not belief. Belief prevents direct knowing and experience. The legitimate position for direct experience and knowing is the agnostic position, as it is not entrenched in any belief systems.

 

[nPeace]

Why is so difficult for many people to accept others beliefs ?
Instead of asking Why do you believe this, or if what you say is correct why does "this" happen? and let them give you an aswer many tend to get angry and "attack" others belief.

It is ok to disagree with others, but do we need to mock them for what they believe in?

Have you ever tried taking a bone from a dog?

 

[Sunstone]

Have you ever tried taking a bone from a dog?

Excellent point!

 

[IndigoChild5559]

In my view many does not accept others belief, and i say so because of the way people respond, example they make a lot of critique of muslims, but is it Islam that is wrong or the human who do wrong deeds with in the Islamic path?

Intolerance is a sign of weakness, that someone feel they must attack others to gain upper hand. something that is not needed to do when one has no need of putting others down.

You ask in a nice way yes

I think there is a time for intolerance. I am highly intolerant of pedophiles.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Why is so difficult for many people to accept others beliefs ?

Which beliefs?
Why should I accept them?
What do I stand for if I accept all beliefs?
Are some beliefs harmful to others, and if so, what should our reaction to them be?

Extreme example, the Nazi's held certain beliefs about the Jews. Should these be accepted?

Instead of asking Why do you believe this, or if what you say is correct why does "this" happen? and let them give you an aswer many tend to get angry and "attack" others belief.

Attack beliefs? Sure. Accepting everything appears similar to valuing nothing.

It is ok to disagree with others, but do we need to mock them for what they believe in?

Mocking appears different to what your first sentence suggested. For example, I wouldn't mock the Nazi's about their attitude towards Jews. I would hope I was brave enough to stand up to them, whilst having studied psychology enough to realise this may be circumstantial to some degree.

 

[Trackdayguy]

If you dont stand for something, you'll fall for everything.

In the end we all judge others, if you say you don't you're probably just putting on a self-righteous front.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Which beliefs?
Why should I accept them?
What do I stand for if I accept all beliefs?
Are some beliefs harmful to others, and if so, what should our reaction to them be?

Extreme example, the Nazi's held certain beliefs about the Jews. Should these be accepted?



Attack beliefs? Sure. Accepting everything appears similar to valuing nothing.



Mocking appears different to what your first sentence suggested. For example, I wouldn't mock the Nazi's about their attitude towards Jews. I would hope I was brave enough to stand up to them, whilst having studied psychology enough to realise this may be circumstantial to some degree.

I am talking about religious belief, not other form of beliefs. Nazi belief is not religious beliefs, and i am against the nazi ideology.

We dont need to be agree with other religious beliefs but we should accept that people have different religious belief

 

[Twilight Hue]

There are plenty of beliefs out there that don't deserve any credibility, remain baseless, and should be pointed out for what it is.

I always figure it's appropriate to attack the belief , not the believer as irrational beliefs can be extremely damaging and harmful in numerous ways.

 

[Muffled]

Why is so difficult for many people to accept others beliefs ?
Instead of asking Why do you believe this, or if what you say is correct why does "this" happen? and let them give you an aswer many tend to get angry and "attack" others belief.

It is ok to disagree with others, but do we need to mock them for what they believe in?

I believe it is an ego thing. A person is apt to view different beliefs as a personal attack.

I believe that is also apt to be: Why, since this and that is true do you still hold that belief.

I believe this often happens when a person's beliefs have been logically challenged and there is no longer a defense so the person reverts to dismissal of the argument.

I believe some things are just so ridiculous there is no alternative.

 

[Muffled]

Why do you believe it is difficult for many people to accept the beliefs of others?

If what you say is correct, why does intolerance happen?

(Did I do it right?)

I believe some beliefs are harmless like a belief in UFOs. Other beliefs can do a person a great deal of harm like believing the aliens are requiring a person to die in order to join them.

 

[Muffled]

To ask a question is always good yes, But when someone telling directly, you are wrong because.... how can the person be sure he is not wrong him self when telling others they are wrong?

I believe I can be right because it is the one who is always right who is speaking through me. If I come up with my own ideas I am just as apt to wrong as someone else.