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Thief

Rogue Theologian
Thief here....it's just reflex.

God is God because 'He' happens to be the biggest, fastest, strongest, most intelligent, and greatly experienced.
The first three attributes are thought to be masculine.
The last two could be feminine....I like smart women.
And you don't get smart without experience.

Why not call 'Him'.....the Almighty. I do.
It covers all of the needed qualities.


Nice joke Bedlam...that was good!
 

mickiel

Well-Known Member
I agree with those who state God has no gender, because he does not. And neither will we in heaven, that is the new creation. Gender will no longer exist. No women, no men, no sex. No physical determinations as of what we are. Only Spiritual. Which is a unique combination of both. Both are there, both combined, both qualitys that are needed, both that need not die.

But I have observations that I observe God doing now, if now can be considered as relevant. God is defintely, now, exerting more energy into using the female tendency to accomplish his will on earth, using the failure of men as an example of things to come. The failure to rule this world in Peace. The obvious tendency of females to show more Love, Gods obvious tendency to actually create more females than males, means something. I don't know what, but it means something.

He began things with males, and I think will conclude with females. Or the giving birth of a new creation.

Peace.
 
Seems to be a lighthearted group here! And awesome at that!!! I call God he when speaking to most people, but that's only because they understand God as he. The Bible actually states that God is Spirit and is to be worshiped in spirit and truth. That being said, it would be totally disrespectful to limit God to male. I'm catholic, and when I pray to God for protection I feel the masculine presence of Divinity, when I ask for forgiveness, I feel the maternal side of the divine. Its all a matter of perception, as long as we don't forget that GOD ALMIGHTY is much bigger than any box we could put Him/Her in.
 

whereismynotecard

Treasure Hunter
Why does God have to be a He? I have noticed that lately... everyone says he when they refer to God. I try not to do that... Sometimes I slip because everyone says it and it is all I hear. Why is that? To me I always felt that God doesn't necessarily have a gender. What does everyone else think? :confused:

Because he has a son with Mary. Mary's egg + God's sperm = baby. In order to have sperm, God must have been a male. :D
 

allanpopa

Member
Gender and religious language are important issues. Ontologically, God does not exist. This is not a radical claim, God's existence (if one wishes to call it that) is so vastly different from all other forms of existence that it makes just as much sense to say "God exists" as it does to say "God does not exist". That's the simple reality of it. Theologically, religious literature tends to describe God in terms of masculine pronouns, nouns, verbs and virtues. However, gender issues in God-talk become staggaringly important when we begin to talk about Mariology, Mary Theotokos becomes a very important figure in Christian expression of the divine. I'll leave talk about Mary at that for now - I wish to concentrate on strictly "religious language" and the possibility thereof.

In so far as the possibility of language is concerned, there have been very many schools of thought concerning the semiotics of religious language; Kataphatic and apophatic for instance, however there are other ways of looking at this issue. I'm more so convinced of apophatic expressions, and moreso, not because of strictly my understanding of God, rather, because of my understanding of language, deconstruction, differance, logocentricism and the metaphysics of presence (my readings of Derrida). My basic thesis of language is, I think: Language offers and hinders the very possibility of meaning and reality. I feel comfortable saying that I'm uncomfortable with the relationships between sign and signifier (in so far as semiotics is concerned). An apophatic understanding of language is one which places language within the possibility of differance, that is that meaning is infinitely deferred and always different within language; meaning is never fully present it is always along-the-way to presence, further, words define themselves against what they are not - against collections of words - against concepts which are different and yet related, (blue is "not-gold", "not-green", "not-grey", et al.). This differance, is never-ending and thus, there is no transcendental signified. To bring this back to apophatic religious language, expressions which are used to describe God are inadequate, God is ineffable (and yet not even that), if one follows the logic.

To bring gender issues back into play, there are a number of issues here which are of central importance. The first is ontology - it is very clear that ontologically "gender" attributes of God always exist in differance. The second is cultural - it is very clear that esteeming the "male" by attributing masculinity to God is fundamentally sexist. The third is an issue of religious identity - it is very clear that to stand in continuity with the Christian Church, it is important to use gender exclusive language in the liturgies (especially the great sacrament - Baptism -). I would also like to add, very many liberal Christians reduce the Christian message to the "Gospel of gender inclusivitiy", this is unrealistic and insulting to the Gospel. Christianity is about salvation for the poor, hungry and naked - not about being politically correct, even though I do like to be politically correct and I really do wish that there was a way to use gender inclusive language to speak of the mystery of the Trinity. Better to challenge oppression and speak of God the Father than challenge nothing and speak of Godde or "Mother/Father", it's tokenism.

Allan
 

free spirit

Well-Known Member
To all,
Well, can I put it this way then! Your TV is in stand-by mode, it need your finger to push the button to make it live, therefore it is your finger that by a deliberate coscient action brings the TV on. Likewise the entrance in the egg by the sperm brings the egg on.
The inportant thing to understand here is that God is a giver of life and that makes him father, Full stop. Gender has only to do with our finite thinking.
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
I think it is because God made Adam in his image and then made Eve out of Adam.

Gen. 1:27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him;
male and female created He them.

I don't think there's anything in the second story---the one where God creates Adam from the dust, and Eve from Adam's rib---that says anything about God creating man in His image.



 
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Sonic247

Well-Known Member
Adam was. It's like this; if I lose my arm and have kids, they will still be born with two arms. And if they aren't it's not because I lost my arm.
 

Tristesse

Well-Known Member
Adam was. It's like this; if I lose my arm and have kids, they will still be born with two arms. And if they aren't it's not because I lost my arm.

So, your just kinda coming up with your own interpretation. Which is fine. But now it has no bases on the bible, so, why not chuck the bible out and come up with your own ideas, you seem to be doing some of that right now.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Thief here...
Running with this digression.....

Am I the only one who has noticed?
Eve is a clone...she had no navel.

I realized this decades ago.
Since then I've been looking for the same observation to be made...
by anyone else.
So far...no.
 

Sonic247

Well-Known Member
That's not my own interpretation, he was first made with all his ribs and that would be the genes he passed on to his kids. He wasn't recreated at any point he just had one of his ribs taken out. Why would that effect how many ribs his kids had?
 

Sonic247

Well-Known Member
Thief here...
Running with this digression.....

Am I the only one who has noticed?
Eve is a clone...she had no navel.

I realized this decades ago.
Since then I've been looking for the same observation to be made...
by anyone else.
So far...no.
Neither would Adam, they never had umbilical cords.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Thief here...hey Sonic...
We humans have twelve pairs of rib.
We are born that way.
So yes...losing a rib doesn't mean your kids come up short.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Thief here...
I've had practice with this topic...on guard!

But, to be fair to the visitors...
Should we not move this digression to a suitable topic heading?
How about Man from Dust?
 
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