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Will Christianity Die?

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Yes, well the pessimistic version's interpretation of that, would have been that people either no longer deserve that, or that it is describing an after-life state, in heaven.

Yes.. that is the pessimistic view... but was it scriptural? I don't think so.

And how does the book of John end? Where is Jesus leading his follower? He is leading them to suffer somehow

I think it would be wrong to apply to everyone what was specifically meant for the Apostles. If I read correctly, Jesus was just declaring reality as it is today in many countries. Not always and not everywhere but certainly quite often.

Yeah, and early christianity made a whole tradition of that. Martyrdom seems to be what spread the religion, early on. I think they even saved the bones of these people, to inspire others. But why? Didn't Jesus already sacrifice himself? And wouldn't it have been better, if the 'righteous' polycarp had kept living, and teaching. Couldn't they just lie about their fealty to empire, as paul might say that you can do with food for idols?

The problem isn't that Christianity made it a tradition as much as it was imposed on them. Do you think they had a choice as they were led to the Colosseum?

Job does seem like a significantly older, and different tradition to certain Christian models. In early Christianity, god did not care if you were an anchorite or a stylite, and thus you would never have any material gain of any kind.

Yes, Job is considered the oldest written book. Again, I am not sure God did not care. I don't find that in scriptures.
 

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
I don't think it will entirely die out

I believe its cycle of decline will eventually level off

And it will just shrink to a much smaller size rather than die out

Unless of course some kind of revival happens

The revival already happened a long time ago.

Didn't you hear about the Broadway musical "Jesus Christ Superstar"?
 

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
The problem isn't that Christianity made it a tradition as much as it was imposed on them. Do you think they had a choice as they were led to the Colosseum?

It might have depended somewhat on who was in charge, but I could post you the old texts where it was extremely prolonged, because they begged them not to go through with it. Granted, the imperial powers shouldn't have been putting people to death at all for this, but from what I read, I suspect that the martyrs often had a choice.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Christianity began as a human healers teaching.

Medical home visits doctoring.

How you claim miracles is subjective reasoning.

Rome then realised medical science was correct. Were rich corrupt men who chose to order change by medical assistance ...to serve.

Then legal changes.

Pretty basic history.

Had to be rich to bring about change in a rich man's corrupt society.

Yet it was for public services.

Both places now lack the origin human morality to serve the poor family science had hurt corrupted made sick and sacrificed.

Your greedy lying rich man's choices dis spirited liars.

Rich men were taught by mountain Buddhist monks how to apply medical healing by sound resonations

So science built the church building exactly for that cause. Natural therapies.

Voice music incense herbal body oiling after holy water cleansing with aloe healings. Wearing white cloth...medical garb.

Laid on floor mats.

Medical.

False preaching science hadn't existed then.

When brain was heavy star metal poisoned attacked again was when the mad man took over ruling legality falsely.

Also proven historic bad men behaviours. False preaching of science emerged.

Theisms about yourself.

As sciences human practice temple of science technology was machines.

Machines and science own no place in any healing church or temple today.

Human assistance family reunification and no false preaching is however needed.

As the legal shut done and read testimony bible was legal. To only tell the truth sworn oath. On a shut bible.

Mutual equal human the practice we each serve each other in every aspect a families life.

If humans cant realise they all read the same advice. Yet preach a different version causes you all to be wrong.

Then obviously you don't want families reunification. Pretty basic human chosen behaviours.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Thank you.

But, as the post relates, is it really not relevant? When a 16 year old comes to our church married to drug addict/pusher who had a moment with a gun that still had two bullets and said, "If this is life, I will kill my child and myself (being pregnant)" and now is remarried to a Christian, being sent all over the US by Harris Corp., do you think it was because the message and its power wasn't relevant?

These are anecdotal claims like many others from diverse and conflicting religions and belief systems. They are only relevant to those that believe in them by faith. As I said before by the evidence it part of the nature of being human to make such claims from diverse and conflicting beliefs.
 
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Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Muslims do not generally 'become Christians' since they already believe in Jesus, and also in Muhammad, but sometimes Christians become Muslims since they already believe both Jesus and later they come to believe in Muhammad.
Certainly they do. Believing in Jesus as a prophet isn't believing in Jesus btw.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
The symbols that Christianity consists of may be rearranged or reorganized or mostly disposed of, but the things they point to may still be there. The map may be burned, but the territory remains.

That is, until the sun engulfs the Earth.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
I don't know the answer to the question. However, if it does not die it may become more usable and teachable through the internet and less of a face to face ritual.

If the world becomes more dangerous if it becomes dangerous to go out like it did with the covid we may see more meetings done through the internet than face to face.

If it does die, I don't believe religion will die.
If it dies I think it will be replaced by the Muslim faith because the Muslim religion is becoming so big.
 

vulcanlogician

Well-Known Member
I don't think Christianity is dying. Its power and influence over society are waning.

Whether or not that means the religion comes to an end is up to the practitioners of the religion, no?

If Christianity comes to an end because it no longer has a privileged position, that'd be pretty disappointing. But I think it will survive its ousting from the throne. It may even become more genuine and honest as a result. I guess we'll see.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member

So?

Even if I would agree that for as long there are humans, there will be christian believers, so what?

The validity and accuracy of a belief isn't determined by how many people believe it or how long a belief manages to "stay alive" in society.

Do you consider it mentionworthy that hinduism is older then christianity (by 1000s of years) and still followed today?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
faith in Muhammad won over faith in Jesus in Afghanistan. One fundamentalism is as strong as another.

Yes... exterminating Christian is one way... but it always seems to come back -- the tried it in ancient Rome.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
The validity and accuracy of a belief isn't determined by how many people believe it or how long a belief manages to "stay alive" in society.

Although I never said that... you are right. How many people does not equate to validity.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Yes... exterminating Christian is one way... but it always seems to come back -- the tried it in ancient Rome.
it will never be a major religion again. it's seen its glory day and as god always does,


matthew 21:43


its been weighed in the balance and found wanting.

its become to traditional and not practical and of service to all.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Will Christianity die?

Where precisely is Christianity? Or even Judaism, Buddhism or Islam? Where precisely are these religions?

Obviously they cannot be clearly identified by the conflicting opposed organisations that claim to speak authoritatively in their name.

As single religions that speak with one voice none of these religions exist today.
 
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