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Will there be a Rapture of the church(painting)

painter49

painter49

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painter49

painter49

Member
I did this wrong , was just testing how this site worked....
I painted this after a dream I had , I was left behind.... I woke up crying!!!
My question is... Do you believe in a pre trib ascenscion of the church or a post trib? I have to admit as I read the Bible I'm leaning towards a post trib rapture of the church/
Tom
 
Arkholt

Arkholt

Non-vessel
As far as I know, the idea of the Rapture isn't truly scriptural. Some folks have pointed out vague verses to me in an attempt to prove it, but the proof is largely unconvincing.
 
Heneni

Heneni

Miss Independent
The bible clearly shows that the children of god are not appointed for wrath.

Appointed for wrath, means you have to meet the appointment, and therefore 'show up' for it.

So you can be sure that whe the wrath of god comes we shall no longer be here! (christians)



Heneni
 
Dunemeister

Dunemeister

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Heneni said:
The bible clearly shows that the children of god are not appointed for wrath.

Appointed for wrath, means you have to meet the appointment, and therefore 'show up' for it.

So you can be sure that whe the wrath of god comes we shall no longer be here! (christians)
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Sorry, it doesn't quite work that way. As the creed says, Jesus will come again to judge the living and the dead. Everyone is in view here, even Christians. We shall all be judged. The hope of the Christian is not that we escape judgment but that even though we shall undergo judgment, God shall yet show us mercy.
 
Heneni

Heneni

Miss Independent
Dunemeister said:
Sorry, it doesn't quite work that way. As the creed says, Jesus will come again to judge the living and the dead. Everyone is in view here, even Christians. We shall all be judged. The hope of the Christian is not that we escape judgment but that even though we shall undergo judgment, God shall yet show us mercy.
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First of all i could care less about a creed:sarcastic. Second of all, the wrath of god cannot come on some and not on others. The dead without christ needs to be resurrected to experience the wrath as well. Or do you think it only the unlucky ones who are left here on earth that experiences the wrath? No...no small or big fish gets away. The resurrection of both the wicked and the righteouss have to happen so that the wicked will be here to experience the wrath. So the resurrection happens before the wrath, and that means the rapture as well.
 
Heneni

Heneni

Miss Independent
This is how i understand it:

During jesus's time here on earth, he did have contact with some gentiles but the majority of the gentile world (unbelievers) were completely unaware of his presence on this earth. His fame did spread yes, but it only spread to the gentile nations in a big way after he left.

Now in the same way he came and left he will come again. He will come for a group (the believers) while another group will have no idea he was even here (the non-believers).

And then he will come again visually, when all of the non-believers will see him, just like all the non-believing jews saw him back in the OT.

He left in full view of believers (but not in full view of the world) and will return in full view for the believers (but not in full view of the world)

And then he will also come again in full view of the unbelieving world.

Now if you understood that...you are most fortunate!:angel2:

Heneni
 
Dunemeister

Dunemeister

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Heneni said:
First of all i could care less about a creed:sarcastic. Second of all, the wrath of god cannot come on some and not on others. The dead without christ needs to be resurrected to experience the wrath as well. Or do you think it only the unlucky ones who are left here on earth that experiences the wrath? No...no small or big fish gets away. The resurrection of both the wicked and the righteouss have to happen so that the wicked will be here to experience the wrath. So the resurrection happens before the wrath, and that means the rapture as well.
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Ironically, you say you could care less about a creed, and then say exactly what the creed says! (By the way, the creed and the bible are of the same manufacture, coming out of the same shop.) Specifically, the creed says that Jesus "will judge the living and the dead." So yes, that implies a resurrection of the wicked and the righteous, all of whom will face judgment.

If by "rapture" you mean the whisking away of the church prior to the day of judgment (and after which there is a "tribulation" the church does not have to face), there simply will be no such event (rapture, I mean). Niether scripture nor tradition affirm this. It's an 18th-century invention by some overenthusiastic adventist preachers (who also invented the dispensationalist theology of which the rapture is a small piece).
 
Heneni

Heneni

Miss Independent
Dunemeister said:
Ironically, you say you could care less about a creed, and then say exactly what the creed says! (By the way, the creed and the bible are of the same manufacture, coming out of the same shop.) Specifically, the creed says that Jesus "will judge the living and the dead." So yes, tht implies a resurrection of the wicked and the righteous, all of whom will face judgment.

If by "rapture" you mean the whisking away of the church prior to the day of judgment (and after which there is a "tribulation" the church does not have to face), there simply will be no such event (rapture, I mean). Niether scripture nor tradition affirm this. It's an 18th-century invention by some overenthusiastic adventist preachers (who also invented the dispensationalist theology of which the rapture is a small piece).
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well, if there is no resurrection of the wicked then there is no rapture. The resurrection of the wicked happens at the same time as the ressurection of the righteous. The righteous are not resurrected to hang around here, the wicked is resurrected to experience the wrath (the judgement) of god.

But if you wanna be here for the wrath....i guess that's ok for you

Heneni
 
Just_me_Mike

Just_me_Mike

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Dunemeister said:
Ironically, you say you could care less about a creed, and then say exactly what the creed says! (By the way, the creed and the bible are of the same manufacture, coming out of the same shop.) Specifically, the creed says that Jesus "will judge the living and the dead." So yes, that implies a resurrection of the wicked and the righteous, all of whom will face judgment.

If by "rapture" you mean the whisking away of the church prior to the day of judgment (and after which there is a "tribulation" the church does not have to face), there simply will be no such event (rapture, I mean). Niether scripture nor tradition affirm this. It's an 18th-century invention by some overenthusiastic adventist preachers (who also invented the dispensationalist theology of which the rapture is a small piece).
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Dune, IMHO you are missing the point. Jesus was judged for us. Jesus faced judgment already. Why would we need to face it again? Before you reply, have you ever considered that?

As far as the creed "the living and the dead" Tell me this. Why could it not be referring to the unsaved (both living and dead) and not saved and unsaved as you assume.

Thanks...
 
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