will you kindly answer this ?

[maro]

you feel these people should be grateful to allah for his kindness? allah created these people without their permission and allowed to die of starvation. So explain why allah created people like these.

i wanted to bring this question to the attension of all muslim members here so that we can all try to answer it ,as it's a very repeated question

what do you think ?

 

[fullyveiled muslimah]

Since the picture shows children I will answer in that capacity. To the extent of their suffering in this world their reward will be beyond measure in the next life. The hardship of these children does not imply that Allah is punishing them.

More than anything the fact that people are allowed to starve like this or otherwise suffer from lack of things that basic humans should have free access to, is an indictment of those who abandoned their duty to fulfill the rights of these children. This is the purpose of the system of zakat and sadaqah that Allah has put in place. To prevent the undue suffering of our fellow man.

The first person to be taken to task for such things will be the government or more accurately the president or prime minister of that place. Since they were in charge in the area where these things occurred, it was their sole duty to ensure that all the people in their charge have access to food. Since they did not ensure this, Allah will take them to task for that and they will be punished accordingly.

The second person(s) to be taken to task are those who were in the immediate area and witnessed such people suffer. If they had any food or any means by which to come together as a community to solve that problem and they did not do so, then they are just as culpible for the human suffering as the government. If not moreso, since it is the right of the neighbor that you not fill your belly when his/hers is empty. This extends to anyone who had the knowledge of the situation and the means to correct it yet refrained from doing so. Or anyone who obstructed food or clothing or other items of need from these people, is also directly responsible.

See the point is that Allah has placed human beings in this world to watch over one another. This is why Allah gave Rasulullah (saw) explicit details on what rights were owed to whom and to what extent. Since we choose to ignore this, it leads to situations where in one place people starve to the point of death, while just up the street a family is tossing their leftovers in the garbage. We are our brothers keepers whether we want to be or not. So it is our responsibility to see to it that we all at minimum have basic necessities. Allah has provided enough sustanance for all beings to share. There is not a shortage of food in this world, there is only a shortage of mercy.

Let me ask a question as well. Why is it that any suffering or evil in the world is attributed to Allah, but any good is attributed to us? Why is not Allah responsible for the good in the world also?

 

[Aquitaine]

....... Oh wait, this thread's in the DIR.

I'll keep quite then ^_^

 

[Quiddity]

I hope you all don't me chiming in. I don't usually post in the Islam section.

I figure what I have to say won't be an area of disagreement between us (I hope). If it is, I'll will retract.

Off I go...

More people have abandoned their faith because of the problem of evil than for any other reason. It is certainly the greatest test of faith, the greatest temptation to unbelief. And it's not just an intellectual objection. We feel it. We live it.

The problem of evil can be stated very simply: If God is so good, why is his world so bad? If an all-good, all-wise, all-loving, all-just, and all-powerful God is running the show, why does he seem to be doing such a miserable job of it? Why do bad things happen to good people?

First, evil is not a thing, but a choice. We naturally tend to picutre evil as a thing—a black cloud, or a dangerous storm, or an earthquake. But these pictures mislead us. If God is the Creator of all things and evil is a thing, then God is the Creator of evil, and he is to blame for its existence. No, evil is not a thing but a wrong choice, or the damage done by a wrong choice.

Also, who's to say we are good people? The question should be not "Why do bad things happen to good people?" but "Why do good things happen to bad people?"

To add, who's to say suffering is all bad? Life without it would produce spoiled brats and tyrants, not joyful saints. Rabbi Abraham Heschel says simply, "The man who has not suffered, what can he possibly know, anyway?"

Most people probably don't start with such premises but I hope my two cents are welcomed.

 

[REASON_236]

i think when god created this earth, he left in it more than enough resources for all mankind but i think the reason for those starving people is the fact that many people think that they r more entitled to these resources than anyone on earth. how is it fair if someone has enough money to last his family for 10 generations while some of the present generations have no food for the day. i think that greed caused this and not god.

 

[Aquitaine]

Oh God I'm so tempted to join in!



Must........resist.........temptation..........

Gah!

 

[REASON_236]

First, evil is not a thing, but a choice. We naturally tend to picutre evil as a thing—a black cloud, or a dangerous storm, or an earthquake. But these pictures mislead us. If God is the Creator of all things and evil is a thing, then God is the Creator of evil, and he is to blame for its existence. No, evil is not a thing but a wrong choice, or the damage done by a wrong choice. ]

i agree. evil is the absence of good the same way as darkness is the absence of light or silence is the absence of sound. god didnt create silence, he created sound, when we say that a place is silent, that means its empty of sound and not full of silence.and as long as people refuse to take good actions, evil is prevails.

 

[TashaN]

Oh God I'm so tempted to join in!



Must........resist.........temptation..........

Gah!

You can start your own thread in the proper place for that then invite us to it. No problem.

 

[TashaN]

Since the picture shows children I will answer in that capacity. To the extent of their suffering in this world their reward will be beyond measure in the next life. The hardship of these children does not imply that Allah is punishing them.

More than anything the fact that people are allowed to starve like this or otherwise suffer from lack of things that basic humans should have free access to, is an indictment of those who abandoned their duty to fulfill the rights of these children. This is the purpose of the system of zakat and sadaqah that Allah has put in place. To prevent the undue suffering of our fellow man.

The first person to be taken to task for such things will be the government or more accurately the president or prime minister of that place. Since they were in charge in the area where these things occurred, it was their sole duty to ensure that all the people in their charge have access to food. Since they did not ensure this, Allah will take them to task for that and they will be punished accordingly.

The second person(s) to be taken to task are those who were in the immediate area and witnessed such people suffer. If they had any food or any means by which to come together as a community to solve that problem and they did not do so, then they are just as culpible for the human suffering as the government. If not moreso, since it is the right of the neighbor that you not fill your belly when his/hers is empty. This extends to anyone who had the knowledge of the situation and the means to correct it yet refrained from doing so. Or anyone who obstructed food or clothing or other items of need from these people, is also directly responsible.

See the point is that Allah has placed human beings in this world to watch over one another. This is why Allah gave Rasulullah (saw) explicit details on what rights were owed to whom and to what extent. Since we choose to ignore this, it leads to situations where in one place people starve to the point of death, while just up the street a family is tossing their leftovers in the garbage. We are our brothers keepers whether we want to be or not. So it is our responsibility to see to it that we all at minimum have basic necessities. Allah has provided enough sustanance for all beings to share. There is not a shortage of food in this world, there is only a shortage of mercy.

Let me ask a question as well. Why is it that any suffering or evil in the world is attributed to Allah, but any good is attributed to us? Why is not Allah responsible for the good in the world also?

Well said sis. Jazaki Allah khayra.

 

[REASON_236]

But then to use your example, say about sound vs. silence, is it right for God to design us so that we're totally dependant on sound (food), and by allowing silence (starvation) we become weak, suffer and die as a result?

Surely it would make sense to atleast give all your subjects equal chances for them to prove they're faithfull to God and follow the right path etc?

i can think of many 'better' ways that god could have created us. he could've gave us bones of steel(that can somehow grow), tough impenetrable skins, the ability to breath under water, immortality, etc. but if we continue down this line, we will eventually be gods ourselves. i think that god created us this way to show us that we r not only dependent on him, but also on each others. for example, the dependence of food caused humans to stick to each other in order to survive. this promoted compassion and the need to help others so they would help us when we need them. because if everyone realizes that he/she cant survive alone because of dependence, people will start treating each other better.

god gave everyone an equal chance. we r all born equal with the ability to think and know right from wrong. but it is a result of human actions that some became 'fortunate' and others not.hence the diversity in wealth and living conditions of different nations. but in the sight of god, our wealth is our deeds and every human being is a potential billionaire.

 

[Aquitaine]

Gah looks like my post got deleted. Nevermind, to be fair it is in the DIR so I guess I should just stay out.

I would create a thread about it elsewhere but it's been done so many times......

 

[REASON_236]

Well, in my own opinion I think our instinctive drives for food, sex and safety have if anything, contributed more towards violence.

Like you said, because we're all hungry and need food, and there isn't enough food on the planet, and we're warm-blooded so our Metabolisms are much faster, so we then steal/fight wars over resources.

Plus, we're all designed to die in the end, that is true. But surely it would've been better to have designed us so that we're more resilient to say, disease. It would seem better for us to be resilient to many things but still retain our short lifespans, therefore we can spend less time trying to escape death at every corner, and more time following/worshipping God, right?

Also, I don't think we're born equal, many people are born with birth defects and mental illnesses etc (another example of where God could've made us more resilient, would you agree?).

One thing that would've helped is if water (one of our most vital resources) wasn't also a transmitter of disease, and if Sunlight (another vital life-sustaining resource) didn't also cause skin cancer.

However, do you believe our design/setting is perfect? If so, why?

maybe you misunderstood. i said that god left more than enough resources. meaning there is enough for everyone with much to spare. but some people chose not to share. which made many nations become poor.

i agree that we have built in instincts that if left uncontrolled, would lead us to do terrible things. but god gave us the ability (reason) to control these instincts. and that's what makes us different from animals. i know that my family and i need food to survive. but i also know that every other family needs food too. therefore i should work to provide 'enough' food and not inexplicably large supplies of food to last us 50 years. every human is entitled to his/her share of resources on earth. how large is this share? it is a little more than u need to survive as a selfless human being. if we use our ability to control our instincts, maybe we will get less than what other greedy people are getting. but we will be satisfied with what we have, and they will not.because they let their limitless instincts loose and now they have to follow it till the end.

all the time a muslim has to dedicate completely to god's worship is 20-30 min a day. and during the rest of the day, he will be worshiping god by simply going on with his life without breaking Allah's laws.

resilience is relative. if the max time any person can get sick is 1 hour, being sick for 2 hours would seem a disaster.but our mere ability to become sick is part of the proof of our weakness. and is acts as a reminder for us not to misplace our rank in the universe.

the depletion of the ozone layer has come about due to human actions.

according to Islam, someone with not enough mental ability to know right from wrong (mental illness). wouldn't be punished for wrong deeds.

perfect is also a general word. perfect for what? i know it is not perfect for living a very long(long is also relative) happy(relative) problem free life. but this is not the purpose of human existence(according to islam). we r in a test. a test to prove our ability to make our rational side prevail over our instinctive one. and i think that this is the perfect environment and human design for this test.

 

[.lava]

i wanted to bring this question to the attension of all muslim members here so that we can all try to answer it ,as it's a very repeated question

what do you think ?

i think about the money governments spend on wars. these people who's starving to death could be save 2 or 3 times if, ONLY IF, people trully cared for humanity, their future in next life and God. as he says...whoever sleeps with full stomach while his neighbour was hungry is not one of us.

ps: some people hold God responsible of suffering of humans. as we are responsible for our own suffering, this kind of disasters that could be prevented by our free wills is also result of what we do or what we refuse to do. God does not make that happen, God only lets it happen because it is a result of a process. we humans are the cause. as long as the richest of the world don't consider that money they have partially belongs to others and they are therefor in fact theives, then this kind of scenes would repeat.




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[nameless]

Since the picture shows children I will answer in that capacity. To the extent of their suffering in this world their reward will be beyond measure in the next life. The hardship of these children does not imply that Allah is punishing them.

More than anything the fact that people are allowed to starve like this or otherwise suffer from lack of things that basic humans should have free access to, is an indictment of those who abandoned their duty to fulfill the rights of these children. This is the purpose of the system of zakat and sadaqah that Allah has put in place. To prevent the undue suffering of our fellow man.

The first person to be taken to task for such things will be the government or more accurately the president or prime minister of that place. Since they were in charge in the area where these things occurred, it was their sole duty to ensure that all the people in their charge have access to food. Since they did not ensure this, Allah will take them to task for that and they will be punished accordingly.

The second person(s) to be taken to task are those who were in the immediate area and witnessed such people suffer. If they had any food or any means by which to come together as a community to solve that problem and they did not do so, then they are just as culpible for the human suffering as the government. If not moreso, since it is the right of the neighbor that you not fill your belly when his/hers is empty. This extends to anyone who had the knowledge of the situation and the means to correct it yet refrained from doing so. Or anyone who obstructed food or clothing or other items of need from these people, is also directly responsible.

See the point is that Allah has placed human beings in this world to watch over one another. This is why Allah gave Rasulullah (saw) explicit details on what rights were owed to whom and to what extent. Since we choose to ignore this, it leads to situations where in one place people starve to the point of death, while just up the street a family is tossing their leftovers in the garbage. We are our brothers keepers whether we want to be or not. So it is our responsibility to see to it that we all at minimum have basic necessities. Allah has provided enough sustanance for all beings to share. There is not a shortage of food in this world, there is only a shortage of mercy.

Let me ask a question as well. Why is it that any suffering or evil in the world is attributed to Allah, but any good is attributed to us? Why is not Allah responsible for the good in the world also?

what to say, i have no permission to respond to this here, anyway you should get satisfaction giving some explanation for that as you like and again praise the god.

 

[Gharib]

what i would personally say is that if we lived under the proper and full laws of Allah there would not be any starvation. Allah's laws are only te benefit his creation. all the starvation is due to the west generally. if you compare some laws of islam with those of the west, you would see that it is them who are responsible for the starvation. i wanted to open a thread regarding this, and i wanted to specifically speak about this matter. i think i should open that thread now since the question has been asked.

in the meantime, here is something to read:

27.05.2009
Why everyone does not have the same living conditions, why Allah did not create them equally? Why did He create some of them blind, deaf and crippled?



27.05.2009



Undoubtedly, Allah knows the best one for his servants through his eternal ilm (knowledge) and gives the best one to them.

Each person in the world is tested according to the conditions they are in. For example; while a wealthy person is tested on what and how he spent his money and how much help he did to the poor, on the other hand; the poor one takes the examination on his patience and submission to his destiny (Qadar).

In a Hadith Qudsi declared as:

“Poorness preserves the faiths of some believers. If I make them wealthy, their moral would be corrupted.

Wealth protects the faiths of some believers. If I make them poor, their heart would be corrupted.

Health preserves the faiths of some believers. If I give them illness, their decencies would be corrupted.

Illness protects the faiths of some believers. If I bestow them health, their attitudes would be corrupted.”

The hikmah (wisdom) behind the unequal creation is to increase the rewards in the hereafter. If a person, living poor or disabled in this world, passes his tests successfully, he would be rewarded, in the hereafter, with a position superior to those having higher living standards. For example; a person who has an incurable disease, at the end of his dreary worldly life, he would gain a degree of martyrs which everyone covets.

In a Hadith narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri and Abu Huraira Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said:

"No fatigue, nor disease, nor sorrow, nor sadness, nor hurt, nor distress befalls a Muslim, even if it were the prick he receives from a thorn, but that Allah expiates some of his sins for that." (Volume 7, Book 70, Number 545)

“Be sure we shall test you with something of fear and hunger, some loss in goods or lives or the fruits (of your toil), but give glad tidings to those who patiently persevere.” (Baqarah, 155)

Another hikmah (wisdom) of people’s given different living-conditions is providing the cooperation and solidarity in the society. For example; the wealthy gain the good wishes and the respect of the poor by helping them, giving charities. Thus cooperation and solidarity are provided among people in the society by coming to each other’s aid with lofty feelings such as mercy, respect solidarity.

Another wise reason of people’s having unequal conditions is to cause the wealthy people to thank Allah (swt) more by getting them look at other people’s lives, comparing their own living conditions with other examples near them and making them reflect upon their own lives and take admonition from those who have lower conditions. As understood it drives the people see other examples in their lives and if they have higher living conditions, this makes them be grateful to Allah for providing them with these good conditions, be grateful to Allah (swt) for giving them the strength and intelligence to be able to obtain the conditions they are in.
http://askaquestionto.us/question-answer/Destiny/why-did-not-allah-create-all-the-people-equally/

 

[Gharib]

Since the picture shows children I will answer in that capacity. To the extent of their suffering in this world their reward will be beyond measure in the next life. The hardship of these children does not imply that Allah is punishing them.

More than anything the fact that people are allowed to starve like this or otherwise suffer from lack of things that basic humans should have free access to, is an indictment of those who abandoned their duty to fulfill the rights of these children. This is the purpose of the system of zakat and sadaqah that Allah has put in place. To prevent the undue suffering of our fellow man.

The first person to be taken to task for such things will be the government or more accurately the president or prime minister of that place. Since they were in charge in the area where these things occurred, it was their sole duty to ensure that all the people in their charge have access to food. Since they did not ensure this, Allah will take them to task for that and they will be punished accordingly.

The second person(s) to be taken to task are those who were in the immediate area and witnessed such people suffer. If they had any food or any means by which to come together as a community to solve that problem and they did not do so, then they are just as culpible for the human suffering as the government. If not moreso, since it is the right of the neighbor that you not fill your belly when his/hers is empty. This extends to anyone who had the knowledge of the situation and the means to correct it yet refrained from doing so. Or anyone who obstructed food or clothing or other items of need from these people, is also directly responsible.

See the point is that Allah has placed human beings in this world to watch over one another. This is why Allah gave Rasulullah (saw) explicit details on what rights were owed to whom and to what extent. Since we choose to ignore this, it leads to situations where in one place people starve to the point of death, while just up the street a family is tossing their leftovers in the garbage. We are our brothers keepers whether we want to be or not. So it is our responsibility to see to it that we all at minimum have basic necessities. Allah has provided enough sustanance for all beings to share. There is not a shortage of food in this world, there is only a shortage of mercy.

Let me ask a question as well. Why is it that any suffering or evil in the world is attributed to Allah, but any good is attributed to us? Why is not Allah responsible for the good in the world also?

very nice post sister, may Allah's mercy and blessing be upon you, your family and all of the ummah.

 

[nameless]

you don't want his rewards or paradise....but what else you don't want from him ?...you don't want your heartbeats ? your family ? your health ? your money ?

i wanted to bring this question to the attension of all muslim members here so that we can all try to answer it ,as it's a very repeated question

what do you think ?

OK, these poor people lacks only money and health, but still should get satisfied with the heartbeats that 'allah' gave them.

 

[REASON_236]

OK, these poor people lacks only money and health, but still should get satisfied with the heartbeats that 'allah' gave them.

nope, they shud feel angry. but if god gave me a hand and someone chops it off shud i be angry at god or that person?

well, god created enough resources for every human on earth. even more than enough. but some have taken more than their share and deprived those children. shud we blame god?

 

[nameless]

what i would personally say is that if we lived under the proper and full laws of Allah there would not be any starvation. Allah's laws are only te benefit his creation. all the starvation is due to the west generally. if you compare some laws of islam with those of the west, you would see that it is them who are responsible for the starvation. i wanted to open a thread regarding this, and i wanted to specifically speak about this matter. i think i should open that thread now since the question has been asked.

in the meantime, here is something to read:

27.05.2009
Why everyone does not have the same living conditions, why Allah did not create them equally? Why did He create some of them blind, deaf and crippled?



27.05.2009



Undoubtedly, Allah knows the best one for his servants through his eternal ilm (knowledge) and gives the best one to them.

Each person in the world is tested according to the conditions they are in. For example; while a wealthy person is tested on what and how he spent his money and how much help he did to the poor, on the other hand; the poor one takes the examination on his patience and submission to his destiny (Qadar).

In a Hadith Qudsi declared as:

“Poorness preserves the faiths of some believers. If I make them wealthy, their moral would be corrupted.

Wealth protects the faiths of some believers. If I make them poor, their heart would be corrupted.

Health preserves the faiths of some believers. If I give them illness, their decencies would be corrupted.

Illness protects the faiths of some believers. If I bestow them health, their attitudes would be corrupted.”

The hikmah (wisdom) behind the unequal creation is to increase the rewards in the hereafter. If a person, living poor or disabled in this world, passes his tests successfully, he would be rewarded, in the hereafter, with a position superior to those having higher living standards. For example; a person who has an incurable disease, at the end of his dreary worldly life, he would gain a degree of martyrs which everyone covets.

In a Hadith narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri and Abu Huraira Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said:

"No fatigue, nor disease, nor sorrow, nor sadness, nor hurt, nor distress befalls a Muslim, even if it were the prick he receives from a thorn, but that Allah expiates some of his sins for that." (Volume 7, Book 70, Number 545)

“Be sure we shall test you with something of fear and hunger, some loss in goods or lives or the fruits (of your toil), but give glad tidings to those who patiently persevere.” (Baqarah, 155)

Another hikmah (wisdom) of people’s given different living-conditions is providing the cooperation and solidarity in the society. For example; the wealthy gain the good wishes and the respect of the poor by helping them, giving charities. Thus cooperation and solidarity are provided among people in the society by coming to each other’s aid with lofty feelings such as mercy, respect solidarity.

Another wise reason of people’s having unequal conditions is to cause the wealthy people to thank Allah (swt) more by getting them look at other people’s lives, comparing their own living conditions with other examples near them and making them reflect upon their own lives and take admonition from those who have lower conditions. As understood it drives the people see other examples in their lives and if they have higher living conditions, this makes them be grateful to Allah for providing them with these good conditions, be grateful to Allah (swt) for giving them the strength and intelligence to be able to obtain the conditions they are in.
http://askaquestionto.us/question-answer/Destiny/why-did-not-allah-create-all-the-people-equally/

:clap :clap :clap​

nothing happens without the will of Allah and unless we desserve it. as the quran states, everything bad that falls upon you is because you desserve it. we mustn't lose hope for Allah says "

:sw: eselam vs eselam​

 

[Gharib]

nameless if you have a question to ask do so, otherwise please do not post here.