nameless
The Creator
sorry, im not allowed to debate here, just found your contradicting statements, so posted here.
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sorry, im not allowed to debate here, just found your contradicting statements, so posted here.
nameless
The Creator
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maro
muslimah
maro
muslimah
OK, these poor people lacks only money and health, but still should get satisfied with the heartbeats that 'allah' gave them.
Some people will be satisfied about their lord and accepting his destiny no matter what he takes from them
and others are never going to be satisified about him ,no matter what he gives them
and that's why there are Heaven and Hell
what is surprising is not that someone may be thankful for his heart beats only....but the fact that many people are still not thankful..not only for their heartbeats..but for families ,their money and the tons of blessings they have
A believer will always find a very good reason to be satisfied about his lord no matter what ,and al kafir will find a very good reason not to , no matter what
see ?
Who are we to question the value of anothers life? What gives us the right to claim that another life and the problems they face is some how worth less to Allah than our own? Just because we dont suffer does that mean our life is worth more than a suffering child?
Whilst we believe we know better than Allah (God), whilst we make judgments on His creation and feel we could do better than Him, we are lost. We wander in the darkness, alarmed by the horrors of the world. Fearful of others and exasperated by our powerlessness we point the finger of blame. Reiterating the same questions time and time again and failing to find an answer our hearts remain closed.
When the heart opens it is no longer about who is right or wrong or about difference in belief, instead it is about knowing His love. From love comes compassion. From compassion come answers in actions. There is no longer an individual who knows best. Moved by compassion we stretch out our hand to help those who look up to us without a second thought for ourselves. Once unconditional love is known then lifes most painful questions are answered. The purpose of the life of one who knows this in their heart is destined to improve the world without ever needing once to utter His name.
nameless
The Creator
ok thanks, i understand
it is nice to see some people are satisfied even if their life is a struggle. But is it right approach to blame a person for not worshipig allah when life is a curse , he just not able to find any reasons for that, do that sort of person deserve to be punished? he neither recieved any good nor did not do any harm to anyone, her neither praised the god nor cursed the god, so he deserves neither paradise, nor hell. I would not find it wrong if this guy is left alone but that is not the condition, he already suffered enough for no reason again punished forever in hell, frankly speaking how can i get in peace with that?
and see from their point of view, it is natural to anyone, do he deserve hell?
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maro
muslimah
Thank you all for your great answers ,and special thanks for victor
i'd like to quote one of my favourite authors' sayings (This life is only one chapter of the story )..and as we don't judge a story ,untill it's finished...and we don't expect to understand the wisdom behind every tiny detail by reading the first chapter only...this applies here as well..., The lack of justice in this life necessitates another life , an afterlife were justice is going to be achieved...and that's why Allah says that the after life will...
[56:3] It will bring down [some] and raise up [others].
this is because the standards of greatness in this life differ completely from those in the after life ,
In this life ,a bloody two faced hypocrite might be considered a great leader or a great politician...a whore or a pervert may be considered a great superstar...but the after life has different standards that very little people know about
[30:7] They know what is apparent of the worldly life, but they, of the Hereafter, are unaware.
Suffering and Evil are the side effects of our 'free will ' and are part of our 'test' as well...we don't see anything messed up in this huge universe except the human life....because ,except for humans ,everything acts exactly as planned for it
but we ,on the other hand ,don't have a plan except what we decide for ourselves...i may decide to give charity to my neighbour or leave him to starve...God granted me the free will to do so...that's part of my test and his test as well
Will he accept allah's destiny ? will he be satisfied about Allah or rebel against him ?
and i think that was the lesson taught by al khadr to Moses (PBUH)...when moses was unable to understand the wisdom behind al khadr 's actions and thought they were evil..Al khadr told him..
[18:68] And how can you have patience for what you do not encompass in knowledge?"
and at the end of the story ,Moses realizes the hidden wisdom behind those actions...and realizes that what apparently seems bad...might be good.....and the piece of puzzle that seems meaningless...might become meaningful when it fits into a bigger picture
and since allah alone is the one seeing the bigger picture ,none of us is qualified to question his destiny
[21:23] He is not questioned about what He does, but they will be questioned.
i'd like to quote one of my favourite authors' sayings (This life is only one chapter of the story )..and as we don't judge a story ,untill it's finished...and we don't expect to understand the wisdom behind every tiny detail by reading the first chapter only...this applies here as well..., The lack of justice in this life necessitates another life , an afterlife were justice is going to be achieved...and that's why Allah says that the after life will...
[56:3] It will bring down [some] and raise up [others].
this is because the standards of greatness in this life differ completely from those in the after life ,
In this life ,a bloody two faced hypocrite might be considered a great leader or a great politician...a whore or a pervert may be considered a great superstar...but the after life has different standards that very little people know about
[30:7] They know what is apparent of the worldly life, but they, of the Hereafter, are unaware.
Suffering and Evil are the side effects of our 'free will ' and are part of our 'test' as well...we don't see anything messed up in this huge universe except the human life....because ,except for humans ,everything acts exactly as planned for it
but we ,on the other hand ,don't have a plan except what we decide for ourselves...i may decide to give charity to my neighbour or leave him to starve...God granted me the free will to do so...that's part of my test and his test as well
Will he accept allah's destiny ? will he be satisfied about Allah or rebel against him ?
and i think that was the lesson taught by al khadr to Moses (PBUH)...when moses was unable to understand the wisdom behind al khadr 's actions and thought they were evil..Al khadr told him..
[18:68] And how can you have patience for what you do not encompass in knowledge?"
and at the end of the story ,Moses realizes the hidden wisdom behind those actions...and realizes that what apparently seems bad...might be good.....and the piece of puzzle that seems meaningless...might become meaningful when it fits into a bigger picture
and since allah alone is the one seeing the bigger picture ,none of us is qualified to question his destiny
[21:23] He is not questioned about what He does, but they will be questioned.
maro
muslimah
I am not qualified to say who deserves hell and who doesn't...i am also not very concerned about how other people are going to be judged...i am only concerned about my own judgment
All i know is that Allah is just and wise...and i also know that everyone has a blessing in his life to be thankful for.....and that what might seem a curse or a bad thing might actually be a good thing if we accepted it willingly from our lord
it all depends on the perpective you have ,two people may lose a child ,the first may rebel against allah...and claim to have no reason to be thankful to him after taking his child ,
the other may accept the same thing willingly ,knowing that he will be rewarded for it in the afterlife ,if he was patient and satisfied about Allah
the first may curse God ,and the second may praise him for his wisdom
do you think the first deserves paradise ,but the second only deserves to be left alone ?!! ..may be....thank god ,i am not going to judge any of them....but why didn't he think positively of his lord ? why didn't he remeber that this life ,with all its suffering ,is a very short test ? why didn't he think of the other blessings allah gave him ? why didn't he think that allah took his child for a reason and because he loves him not because he hates him ?
Why did he fail the same test ,the other man passed ?
The test of thinking positively about his lord ,accepting his choices ,and trusting in his wisdom and justice
Again ,wether he deserves hell or not...i don't know...but if Allah made him among its dwellers , then he certainly earned that
[4:40] Indeed, Allāh does not do injustice, [even] as much as an atom's weight; while if there is a good deed, He multiplies it and gives from Himself a great reward.
nameless
The Creator
it seems like you have missed all what i have said before, what i was talking is about is intermediate state, you have only 2 conditions here, one who praises allah and one who rebell against allah, actually there can be an intermediate one, for him the word 'god' is not in his dictionary.
So if he loses his child, he neither praises nor curses god.
ofcourse, he does not deserver paradise, but does that mean he deserves punishment in hell? he should be left free.
Yes, life is a test, but god never asked his permission to test him, he was forcefully created by god without his permission to test him, so if he fails in test he does not deserve neither paradise nor the hell, he can return empty handed. He neither praised god, nor cursed god.
other blessings? you are missing certain people here, as i pointed out before no use of heart-beat if there is no food, no one can enjoy the beauty of nature, love of people etc or whatever god granted... if he dont have food and health, he would be crying for food each and every second, dont expect him to think of god when he is in a state of madness for food. His life is a total suffering. But still he neither praised god, nor cursed the god.
even if we consider the life of those who are blessed with all needs, do you think they necessarily need to praise allah?
Understand it is said that life is blessing from allah, so nothing in return is expected by allah, or it would become trade.
before they were created by allah, there was not any agreement that, if allah bless them, in return they would worship allah, and if they fails in that they are liable to be punished in hell, god created people forcefully without anyone's permission and then they were blessed with goodness. so it can be considered as a favor from allah, because the return to allah does not matters here.
And if the return is compulsory for allah, then it should be said that it is a barbarian favour or well tactic cheating, because allah gave you something as a gift which you never asked, but he was expecting a return from you, and when you did not returned what he wished, he takes you to hell for punishing forever.
as i said before, failing a test does not mean he deserves punishment for that, because he has not created any debt to anyone, but certainly he does not deserve paradise. Let the passed guy enter paradise but loser should be left free, because he neither praised the god, nor cursed the god.
A person deserve punishment only if there is any debt which is to be consummated or he should have done something unethical to someone.
Pls let me know if im wrong anywhere.
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Peace
Quran & Sunnah
:clap Great answer masha'Allah dear sister! I totally agree with you.
This life is a test so all the suffering that some people undergo is a test for them and for others.
The following Quranic verses came to my mind while reading your post:
Is it they who would portion out the Mercy of your Lord? It is We Who portion out between them their livelihood in this world, and We raised some of them above others in ranks, so that some may employ others in their work. But the Mercy (Paradise) of your Lord (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم
is better than the (wealth of this world) which they amass. (Quran, 43:32)And it is He Who has made you generations coming after generations, replacing each other on the earth. And He has raised you in ranks, some above others that He may try you in that which He has bestowed on you. Surely your Lord is Swift in retribution, and certainly He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Quran, 6:165)
Peace
Quran & Sunnah
Some people will be satisfied about their lord and accepting his destiny no matter what he takes from them
and others are never going to be satisified about him ,no matter what he gives them
and that's why there are Heaven and Hell
what is surprising is not that someone may be thankful for his heart beats only....but the fact that many people are still not thankful..not only for their heartbeats..but for families ,their money and the tons of blessings they have
A believer will always find a very good reason to be satisfied about his lord no matter what ,and al kafir will find a very good reason not to , no matter what
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:yes: sister very true..
Peace
Quran & Sunnah
maro
muslimah
God didn't create us to delete him from our dictionary.
it's true that we don't remember being asked wether to exist or not ...wether to be granted free will or not..but guess what ?..this argument has no Value , becuase you and me are here today , being tested already ,and tommorrow , we will be judged
so ,if you choose to spend your life complaining about not being asked...i won't...because i am still breathing ,and i still have a chance to please my lord and earn his blessings in this life and the one to come..and this chance will probably not be available for me tommorrow
nameless , are you starving ?..i guess not...so why don't you let the judgment of the starving people to their merciful lord and start worrying about your own judgment ?....if they were in a state of 'madness' as you say...i am sure they will be excused for not praising Allah....because Allah's justice necessitates that every person be judged within the context of his own circumstances and according to the test model given to him
but for those who are not mad , still breathing , and their hearts are still beating...then they have plenty of blessings to be thankful for.....and those who have all their needs as you say , have more reasons to be thankful....
but as i told you ,some people will Never be thankful ,NO MATTER WHAT
The quran talks about 'Heaven' and ' Hell '...and not about a 'grey area ' in between for those who ' will be left alone '
I think you should suggest such an area when you meet God in the afterlife !!!
and untill then ,we are going to take our book for granted , and do our best to please our lord and be among the dwellers of heaven inshallah
Exactly ,it's a trade
[35:29] Verily, those who recite the Book of Allâh (this Qur'ân), and perform As¬Salât (Iqâmat¬as¬Salât), and spend (in charity) out of what We have provided for them, secretly and openly, they hope for a (sure) trade¬gain that will never perish
[61:10-12] O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a trade that will save you from a painful torment (10) That you believe in Allâh and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allâh with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (11) (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwellings in Adn (Edn) Paradise; that is indeed the great success. (12)
a tight bond exists between being ungrateful to Allah , lacking al Taqwa (fearing him ) and being unethical
[107 :1-3] Have you seen him who denies the Recompense?(1) That is he who repulses the orphan (harshly) (2) And urges not on the feeding of AlMiskîn (the poor) (3)
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Metalic Wings
Active Member
I must say this is a topic I feel strongly about.
I would hope that those children have strong belief and faith in religion--I understand how important this.
And though I am not a follower of Islam, nor can I really quite be called Catholic/Christian either, I do agree with what many people have previously posted.
There is no reason why these children should go hungry. If all of the food in the world was evenly distributed there would be enough for 3,000 calories per person a day. That's more than is necessarily needed (by recommended amounts). *(Oh, I'm still trying to find the source of this fact. My brother told me it one day--he had learned it in school--but he can't remember where it came from).
There are things like wars and genocide happening in the world. I think these things need to stop.
The problem is that nothing is ever exactly black and white. Do we as humans who have more than what we truly need say "As long as they have strong faith they will be happy in the afterlife"? I don't think there is any logical reason why they should be pushed to such great suffering.
My greatest wish is really to find a way that humans can learn to help humans and that these ever-going problems of the world can at least begin to come to an end.
I would hope that those children have strong belief and faith in religion--I understand how important this.
And though I am not a follower of Islam, nor can I really quite be called Catholic/Christian either, I do agree with what many people have previously posted.
There is no reason why these children should go hungry. If all of the food in the world was evenly distributed there would be enough for 3,000 calories per person a day. That's more than is necessarily needed (by recommended amounts). *(Oh, I'm still trying to find the source of this fact. My brother told me it one day--he had learned it in school--but he can't remember where it came from).
There are things like wars and genocide happening in the world. I think these things need to stop.
The problem is that nothing is ever exactly black and white. Do we as humans who have more than what we truly need say "As long as they have strong faith they will be happy in the afterlife"? I don't think there is any logical reason why they should be pushed to such great suffering.
My greatest wish is really to find a way that humans can learn to help humans and that these ever-going problems of the world can at least begin to come to an end.
Subhan Allah, subhan Allah, alhamdulillah...As for being thankful to Allah ,i think those photos are relevant and worth thousand words
.lava
Veteran Member
As for being thankful to Allah ,i think those photos are relevant and worth thousand words
ah darling boy, these pictures really made me tremble. May Allah guide him to the most beautiful gardens of heaven.
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