will you kindly answer this ?

[Sajdah]

As for being thankful to Allah ,i think those photos are relevant and worth thousand words

SubhanAllah....May Allah increase his Iman!

 

[maro]

Those photos also worth thousand words !!! May Allah increase their iman

 

[Sajdah]

SubhanAllah, such photos should give us more encouragement to be closer to Allah (SWT)...Jazaki ellahu kul khayre sister Maro...And may Allah increase their Iman, and ours!

 

[Sahar]

Subhan Allah!! I think I should be ashamed of myself, may Allah guide me to the right path...

 

[.lava]

Subhan Allah!! I think I should be ashamed of myself, may Allah guide me to the right path...

i am ashamed of myself too. i am ashamed for times i complaint.




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[nameless]

As for being thankful to Allah ,i think those photos are relevant and worth thousand words

how can you say that he is feeling thankful to allah? he already had enough, and cannot bear anymore. He is very much aware of that if allah is not worshiped, he would be burnt in hell without considering his disability. The fear for hell !!!

Im wondering how can anyone be angry to punish these disabled people, what sin did they commited?
Does he deserve punishment when he neither praises nor curses allah? Remember his life was whole suffering.

 

[nameless]

God didn't create us to delete him from our dictionary.

there is nothing to delete.

it's true that we don't remember being asked wether to exist or not ...wether to be granted free will or not..but guess what ?..this argument has no Value , becuase you and me are here today , being tested already ,and tommorrow , we will be judged

this is hypocricy, in what authority he is going to judge us? there never was any treaty that if he creates us, then we are liable to be judged. Also quran has no evidence for these.

so ,if you choose to spend your life complaining about not being asked...i won't...because i am still breathing ,and i still have a chance to please my lord and earn his blessings in this life and the one to come..and this chance will probably not be available for me tommorrow

alright, you can do that, but im not going to beg for blessings, i just need freedom. Let that happen to me which is to be naturally happened if god was not interfered.

 

[nameless]

nameless , are you starving ?..i guess not...so why don't you let the judgment of the starving people to their merciful lord and start worrying about your own judgment ?....if they were in a state of 'madness' as you say...i am sure they will be excused for not praising Allah....because Allah's justice necessitates that every person be judged within the context of his own circumstances and according to the test model given to him

i dont want to see you altering quran for the sake to justify it. I have never seen quran talking about exception for the poor and suffering people in worshipping god. This is the reason why hell is illogical, so no reason to worship such god.

but for those who are not mad , still breathing , and their hearts are still beating...then they have plenty of blessings to be thankful for.....and those who have all their needs as you say , have more reasons to be thankful....

it is said that life is gift from allah, so why he is expecting reward from us? the life is granted to us without our permission and he is waiting for us to praise him, and if not praised him, he is going to punish us, i dont see any greatness in that sort of behaviour, hence he is not eligible for worship. If life is a gift, then there wont be any punishment for not worshiping him.


Just apply the same in your life, if you give somebody any gift, and if he did not thanked you, would you punish him? how can it be a gift when you were expecting return from him?

The quran talks about 'Heaven' and ' Hell '...and not about a 'grey area ' in between for those who ' will be left alone '

so quran is to be taken as illogical, since it is not meeting reality. There are innocent people who neither praises god nor curses god, they never asked god anything. They have no debt to fulfil to anyone. So they does not deserve any punishment, hence there should be a 'grey place'. If quran has nothing to say about that, then quran is not meeting reality, hence illogical.

I think you should suggest such an area when you meet God in the afterlife !!!
and untill then ,we are going to take our book for granted , and do our best to please our lord and be among the dwellers of heaven inshallah

i would probably question him for all his sins and makes him to admit his mistakes before each innocent ones.

Exactly ,it's a trade

[35:29] Verily, those who recite the Book of Allâh (this Qur'ân), and perform As¬Salât (Iqâmat¬as¬Salât), and spend (in charity) out of what We have provided for them, secretly and openly, they hope for a (sure) trade¬gain that will never perish


[61:10-12] O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a trade that will save you from a painful torment (10) That you believe in Allâh and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allâh with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (11) (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwellings in Adn (Edn) Paradise; that is indeed the great success. (12)

i dont remember any such agreement with god, god is trading with us without our permission. God initiated the trade by creating us without our permission.

a tight bond exists between being ungrateful to Allah , lacking al Taqwa (fearing him ) and being unethical

there is no reason to fear god or to be grateful to him, he is just a trader !!!

 

[maro]

nameless ,

i think you got all your questions clearly answered from an islamic perspective...and i am not going to let you turn my thread into a debate...

if you or anyone else have questions ,feel free to ask , and there is a debate area to express your unsatisfaction with the answers...this thread is not the right place ,i am afraid

 

[maro]

how can you say that he is feeling thankful to allah ?

I am sure this is something that you can never understand

i dont want to see you altering quran for the sake to justify it

Peace be with you

 

[nameless]

nameless ,

i think you got all your questions clearly answered from an islamic perspective...and i am not going to let you turn my thread into a debate...

you answered everything from islamic perspective, from that it has become clear that concept of hell is not meeting reality. There are statements from you, but no justifications or explanations.

if you or anyone else have questions ,feel free to ask , and there is a debate area to express your unsatisfaction with the answers...this thread is not the right place ,i am afraid

yes it is, in here we should get satisfied with whatever answer we get, asking for justifications or clarification is forbidden, what is amusing is that you realized this a bit late.

 

[nameless]

I am sure this is something that you can never understand

bad luck for me :thud:

Peace be with you

allah bless you.

 

[Gharib]

how can you say that he is feeling thankful to allah?

how can you say he isn't?
do you see him complaining?
do you not see him praying to Allah just as any other person?

if you think he isn't feeling thankful to Allah then prove it, because that picture says otherwise.

he already had enough, and cannot bear anymore.

prove it that what you say is correct.

He is very much aware of that if allah is not worshiped, he would be burnt in hell without considering his disability. The fear for hell !!!

so why does your government punish disabled people who commit crimes?

Im wondering how can anyone be angry to punish these disabled people, what sin did they commited?

please do not say about Allah that which you do not know. otherwise prove it that Allah is angry and prove it that the disabled people will go to hell.

Does he deserve punishment when he neither praises nor curses allah? Remember his life was whole suffering.

Allah knows best.
prove it that his life was all suffering, the picture tells otherwise. do you see him complaining and suffereing?

do you consider not having legs as suffering?

if so then what about somone who has 4 fingers, you have 5 and another person has 6, who is suffering in this case?

 

[Gharib]

this is hypocricy, in what authority he is going to judge us? there never was any treaty that if he creates us, then we are liable to be judged. Also quran has no evidence for these.

i thought it was hipocrisy to tell lies, not to tell the truth. you keep speaking about islam and everything you say is false.

[33:72] We have offered the responsibility (freedom of choice) to the heavens and the earth, and the mountains, but they refused to bear it, and were afraid of it. But the human being accepted it; he was transgressing, ignorant.

 

[nameless]

if you think he isn't feeling thankful to Allah then prove it, because that picture says otherwise.

prove it that what you say is correct.

prove it that his life was all suffering, the picture tells otherwise. do you see him complaining and suffereing?

you are funny as always, eselam.

again as always the same sort of challenge you people puts forward to justify your point.

you people claim quran as book from god, when we ask for proof, you say its our duty to disprove that quran is not book from god.

the same for existence of god, you claims god exists, and asks us to disprove that or it will taken as god exists.

When put forward some new claim, then it is his own duty to prove the claim, it is foolish to ask others to disprove it or he should accept the claim

how can you say he isn't?
do you see him complaining?
do you not see him praying to Allah just as any other person?

if you think he isn't feeling thankful to Allah then prove it, because that picture says otherwise.

Maro posted here those pictures in reply to my questions, so it is her duty to prove her point.
she argued suffering people would naturally feel thankful to allah, she illustrated that by showing a picture, but she is ignoring the other possiblity that the boy offering prayer to atleast avoid punishment in afterlife. So the picture does not justifies her argument.


as mentioned before there is a greater possiblity that he is praying to allah to atleast avoid suffering in the afterlife. Everyone who trusts existence of hell would worship god.

so why does your government punish disabled people who commit crimes?

you think it is a crime not worshiping allah.
eselam, already explained all that while responding to maro that not worshipping god is not a crime.

please do not say about Allah that which you do not know. otherwise prove it that Allah is angry and prove it that the disabled people will go to hell.

allah punishes people if not praised him without consider their well doings, one should become angry to punish people for the reason he was not praised.

Allah knows best.

Need to investigate that.

prove it that his life was all suffering, the picture tells otherwise. do you see him complaining and suffereing?

do you consider not having legs as suffering?

yes, his life was all suffering, you are the only muslim here who have no sympathy to that disabled boy, all others expressed their kindness to him. Maro posted this picture to illustrate the worship of suffering people.

if so then what about somone who has 4 fingers, you have 5 and another person has 6, who is suffering in this case?

:thud:

 

[The_Evelyonian]

you are funny as always, eselam.

again as always the same sort of challenge you people puts forward to justify your point.

you people claim quran as book from god, when we ask for proof, you say its our duty to disprove that quran is not book from god.

the same for existence of god, you claims god exists, and asks us to disprove that or it will taken as god exists.

When put forward some new claim, then it is his own duty to prove the claim, it is foolish to ask others to disprove it or he should accept he claim

What does this have to do with the nature of the photo? You slam eselam for making a claim and failing to provide evidence yet you yourself claim the boy in the photo is only worshiping out of fear and then act as if your claim is self-evident. Pots and kettles, my friend.

Maro posted here those pictures in reply to my questions, so it is her duty to prove her point.

Yet you are demanding that she prove a point that cannot be conclusively proven and then making your own claim which, of course, you can't prove either. The only one who can truly know the boy's motives is the boy. The only fact that can be taken from the photo is that the boy is worshiping. If you try to argue over why he's worshiping then the best you can hope for is a draw.

you think it is a crime not worshiping allah.
eselam, already explained all that while responding to maro that not worshipping god is not a crime.

That wasn't what eselam said. You posted that God would be cruel for not showing the boy preferential treatment yet there is no system of law in this world that would either. Should a judge be lenient to someone who commits a heinous act simply because that person is disadvantaged?

yes, his life was all suffering.

Prove it.

~Peace~

 

[.lava]

let me remind you this is Islam DIR.



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[nameless]

let me remind you this is Islam DIR.



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i was answering the questions which was directed to me by eselam, not allowed that too?

 

[The_Evelyonian]

let me remind you this is Islam DIR.

Understood.

Salam .lava

 

[.lava]

i was answering the questions which was directed to me by eselam, not allowed that too?

i am just reminding debate for non-Muslims is not allowed i guess.



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