Winter 2022 survival preparations

[Twilight Hue]

Yes. Many revolutionary groups are making special preparations.

One exception.

Don't buy Jim Bakkers bucket of survival slop. *yikes*

 

[Suave]

The methane that Russia used to sell us was really cheap. I appreciate Americans' efforts but it's all useless, because the price of that liquefied natural gas is much higher. Ten times higher.
Not to mention that that liquefied natural gas needs a much bigger regasification plant which hasn't been built yet.
Meanwhile prices are really skyrocketing. I posted a video.
A bar that used to pay for 1,100 euros bills, now receives 10,000 euros bills.

Per this comparison chart of U.S, natural gas prices vs, Europe natural gas prices, Europeans on average are now paying more than five times the price for natural gas than the price Americans on average pay for the equivalent amount of natural gas!

The price of natural gas in Europe is now just five times what the US is paying – Investment Watch (investmentwatchblog.com)

 

[Shaul]

Go for it then because i feel most European people still believe in democracy.

You mean like the Russians? They are part of Europe.

 

[ChristineM]

You mean like the Russians? They are part of Europe.

Over 3/4 of Russia is in Asia

 

[Estro Felino]

Maria Zakharova said Italians are an American colony.
Washington DC's puppet.

She also said that the gas shortage will cause nothing but the skyrocketing of power price.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

But won’t the gas and energy shortages also disrupt employment (furloughs or shutdowns) and cause food shortages? Remember Russia just shut down Nord Stream 1 for maintenance. But there is uncertainty of when it will turn back on.

European leadership is moving forward assuming it will not turn back on.
As our own prime minister said: "prepare for the worst, hope for the best"

They are rallying to do all kinds of policy things that they should have done a LOOOOONG time ago.
Better late then never. Personally, I'm just disappointed that it took a wonnabe-Tsar running amok in eastern europe before they started moving forward.

Like for example how the market price of electricity is hardwired to the price of the most expensive gas supplier. Which is ridiculous if that electricity actually comes from windmills or alike. Production cost of that electricity is like almost nothing. Yet, you pay it as if it comes from a gas run electricity plant.

All that is going to change now.

I'm also disappointed in countries like Germany, who for DECADES have been building up their energy dependence on an untrustworthy partner like Russia. It's not like we only found out this year just how untrustworthy they are....................................

The sooner Russia dependency is cut out COMPLETELY as a supplier for anything, the better.
You should NEVER put all your eggs, or even just most of them, in one basket.
ESPECIALLY NOT if that basket is rotten and might break at any time.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I would like to know how Germans will warm up this winter.
I cannot get it.
It is not a matter of power bills only. It is the raw material that will lack.

Gas reserves are almost full.
All this scaremongering is not necessary.

Germans will get to warm their homes like very year.
At worst, industry will be affected to some degree.

The price of gas is a much bigger problem then the quantity thereof.

 

[Estro Felino]

Gas reserves are almost full.
All this scaremongering is not necessary.

Germans will get to warm their homes like very year.
At worst, industry will be affected to some degree.

The price of gas is a much bigger problem then the quantity thereof.

That's the point. Many will have to choose either to warm up and have warm water...or to freeze.
Because they are not as rich as Soros or Draghi.
Business daily - European cost-of-living crisis leads to protests in Germany and Italy

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Democracy in Europe? No. Moneyed and financial elites deciding alone in spite of the people. And despite the people's will.

"elites" that were put in power by vote of the people.
So yes, democracy in europe.



Except Hungary

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It is not a democratic process. If you elect someone, it is democracy.
If you elect someone who will have to elect someone else, that is not real democracy.

We would have to transform the EU into a "united states of europe" for that to change.
Which is totally fine by me.

But I'm guessing not for you.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

That's the point. Many will have to choose either to warm up and have warm water...or to freeze.

Yes, that's always the 2 options every winter.

Because they are not as rich as Soros or Draghi.
Business daily - European cost-of-living crisis leads to protests in Germany and Italy

Protesting is not going to change anything. In fact, the economic setbacks of protests (blocking business, trafic, etc) will only make matters even worse.

 

[Estro Felino]

"elites" that were put in power by vote of the people.
So yes, democracy in europe.



Except Hungary

I didn't vote for Soros. What is he doing there, whispering to Mrs Von der Leyen?

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes, that's always the 2 options every winter.



Protesting is not going to change anything. In fact, the economic setbacks of protests (blocking business, trafic, etc) will only make matters even worse.

It turns out that this protest was successful, 100 years ago
March on Rome - Wikipedia
My great grandparents were in on it.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It turns out that this protest was successful, 100 years ago
March on Rome - Wikipedia
My great grandparents were in on it.

That's a dishonest comparison.

The point here is protesting "against" an economic/energy crisis started, and maintained, by a brutal dictator 4000 km's east.
The only real thing you can accuse european leadership off, is that they build up too much dependence on an untrustworthy business partner like Putin's Russia.

There actually is a similar situation with China. We are also faaaaaar to dependent on them for all kinds of things.
Not that I think we shouldn't do business at all with them. I just think that if you are going to deal with partners of which you KNOW that they don't share your values AND that if sh!t hits the fan, they will have no problems pushing some buttons to make us plumet into economic crisis.... You should be aware of that and make sure to have a back up plan for what that occurs.
Because, imo, it's not a question of "if" but a question of "when".

When you become dependent on someone, then that someone can blackmail you. So you should always ask yourself:
Can this backfire?
And what if it does backfire?

All they can do now is try and regulate and tweak the pricing calculations to make it more fair and invest for bail-outs etc where necessary.
Meanwhile, work hard on transitioning away from Russian energy so that in the future this can not repeat itself.
And learn your lesson. Don't start buying 90% of your gas from another rogue nation.

 

[Estro Felino]

That's a dishonest comparison.

The point here is protesting "against" an economic/energy crisis started, and maintained, by a brutal dictator 4000 km's east.
The only real thing you can accuse european leadership off, is that they build up too much dependence on an untrustworthy business partner like Putin's Russia.

There actually is a similar situation with China. We are also faaaaaar to dependent on them for all kinds of things.
Not that I think we shouldn't do business at all with them. I just think that if you are going to deal with partners of which you KNOW that they don't share your values AND that if sh!t hits the fan, they will have no problems pushing some buttons to make us plumet into economic crisis.... You should be aware of that and make sure to have a back up plan for what that occurs.
Because, imo, it's not a question of "if" but a question of "when".

When you become dependent on someone, then that someone can blackmail you. So you should always ask yourself:
Can this backfire?
And what if it does backfire?

All they can do now is try and regulate and tweak the pricing calculations to make it more fair and invest for bail-outs etc where necessary.
Meanwhile, work hard on transitioning away from Russian energy so that in the future this can not repeat itself.
And learn your lesson. Don't start buying 90% of your gas from another rogue nation.

I am not accusing anybody of anything.
Germany has always had very strong cultural and economic ties with Russia.
Russians liberated Germany in WW2.
Catherine the Great was a German princess, born as Sophia Fredericka. She became the greatest empress in Russian history.
NordStream 1 and 2 are the emblem of this great friendship.
Germany did want to depend on Russia economically because Germany does love to trade with Russia.

There are elites who want to destroy the European-Russian alliance.

 

[Stevicus]

I am not accusing anybody of anything.
Germany has always had very strong cultural and economic ties with Russia.
Russians liberated Germany in WW2.
Catherine the Great was a German princess, born as Sophia Fredericka. She became the greatest empress in Russian history.
NordStream 1 and 2 are the emblem of this great friendship.
Germany did want to depend on Russia economically because Germany does love to trade with Russia.

There are elites who want to destroy the European-Russian alliance.

The relationship between Germany and Russia is pretty difficult to characterize historically. Sure, they've had cultural, economic, and political ties, but they've also been fierce enemies going back centuries.

There's an old story about Ivan the Terrible, who was apparently having a discussion with a German visitor who was extolling the ideas of Martin Luther. At some point, Ivan got angry, conked the guy on the head with his scepter, saying "To the Devil with you and your Luther!"

The Tsar and the Kaiser were cousins, yet their countries still went to war with each other. Both dynasties collapsed as a result. Both the Kaiser and Hitler saw Russia as something they could take.

I wonder what might have happened if the Communists had taken over in Germany instead of Hitler. Germany and the Soviet Union would be ideologically aligned with each other, and German industrial skill combined with the raw materials and vast resources of Russia would have made them a potent combination.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I am not accusing anybody of anything.
Germany has always had very strong cultural and economic ties with Russia. Russians liberated Germany in WW2.

yeah, we all know how much germans liked the berlin wall and having their country split in two.

Catherine the Great was a German princess, born as Sophia Fredericka. She became the greatest empress in Russian history.
NordStream 1 and 2 are the emblem of this great friendship.
Germany did want to depend on Russia economically because Germany does love to trade with Russia.

None of this is on point, and neither is the first quote.
Putin and his cohorts has always shown himself to be an untrustworthy partner.
Putin's Russia has always been like that. Regardless of historical or cultural ties.

Germany isn't dealing with a culture. It is dealing with people. And those people aren't trustworthy. They never were.

There are elites who want to destroy the European-Russian alliance.

If true, I hope they succeed.
We can reconnect when Russian people rise up and demand a proper democratic society, where you don't go to jail for 15 years just for disagreeing with the government.

The solution here is going to have to come from Russian people themselves. Only then will true change manifest.

 

[Estro Felino]

The relationship between Germany and Russia is pretty difficult to characterize historically. Sure, they've had cultural, economic, and political ties, but they've also been fierce enemies going back centuries.

There's an old story about Ivan the Terrible, who was apparently having a discussion with a German visitor who was extolling the ideas of Martin Luther. At some point, Ivan got angry, conked the guy on the head with his scepter, saying "To the Devil with you and your Luther!"

The Tsar and the Kaiser were cousins, yet their countries still went to war with each other. Both dynasties collapsed as a result. Both the Kaiser and Hitler saw Russia as something they could take.

I wonder what might have happened if the Communists had taken over in Germany instead of Hitler. Germany and the Soviet Union would be ideologically aligned with each other, and German industrial skill combined with the raw materials and vast resources of Russia would have made them a potent combination.

Wars are 100% over resources. About taking possessions of resources.
Lenin was funded by Rockfeller...and after coming to power, he gave him the oilfields in Baku.
Why did the Nazis want to take Soviet Union? Because of the oilfields in Baku.

Why do these elites want to defeat Putin? To seize the boundless raw materials Russia has.

 

[Estro Felino]

yeah, we all know how much germans liked the berlin wall and having their country split in two.



None of this is on point, and neither is the first quote.
Putin and his cohorts has always shown himself to be an untrustworthy partner.
Putin's Russia has always been like that. Regardless of historical or cultural ties.

Germany isn't dealing with a culture. It is dealing with people. And those people aren't trustworthy. They never were.



If true, I hope they succeed.
We can reconnect when Russian people rise up and demand a proper democratic society, where you don't go to jail for 15 years just for disagreeing with the government.

The solution here is going to have to come from Russian people themselves. Only then will true change manifest.

I think differently.
I think that a Sorosized EU is a golden cage, and if I have to choose a master, I prefer Putin.

 

[Shaul]

Over 3/4 of Russia is in Asia

And 40% of Europe is Russia. What is your point?