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Witchcraft in Judaism

Tumah

Tumah

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Terry Sampson said:
indeed, the hermetic lore and arcane erudition of the medieval Cabalists was turned upside down by Chasidism, which preaches plain and direct understanding of religion—especially by the uneducated.
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I don't think that's a fair description at all. The Hassidic masters were master kabbalists one and all. What they were known for interpreting esoteric kabbalistic concepts into practical terms in order to make them accessible to the uneducated layman. But for the educated, it remained in it's abstract form. And not all Hassidic Rabbis did that either.

A crucial factor in Chasidic life is the tsáddik (or rébbe or guter-yíd), the “guru” of a sect: and Chasidic literature, both oral and written, is replete with paeans to and legends about these leaders. A background for the world of A Dybbuk can be partly found in the narratives translated here.
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I don't think that's right either. The dibuk isn't a European concept, nor is it exclusive to Hassidism.
 
Tumah

Tumah

Veteran Member
Terry Sampson said:
Hmmm, ... the Christian concept must be "a Gentile thing".
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I don't know why it's necessary to frame it as "Gentile" instead of "Christian". I'm not sure exactly what the Christian concept entails, but the general idea seems to be similar.
 
dybmh

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
@Terry Sampson ,

"A crucial factor in Chasidic life is the tsáddik (or rébbe or guter-yíd), the “guru” of a sect"

This definition is not the consensus... I think it's important to point out.

Maybe ask about it here in the Judaism-Dir. I think it's an interesting topic. I'd like to hear the various opinions.
 
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Terry Sampson

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dybmh said:
This definition is not the consensus... I think it's important to point out.
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Point taken. For the record, I was quoting the intro to Neugroschel's book. I suppose I should have put in a disclaimer to distinguish my beliefs and opinions from those of the Intro's author. I'll try to remember to do so in the future. Personally, I agree wholeheartedly with Tumah's objections to certain portions of the Intro.
 
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Terry Sampson

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dybmh said:
Maybe ask about it here in the Judaism-Dir.
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I esteem the Tzaddik more highly than all of God's other creatures. Start a thread in Judaism DIR, and I'll start a One-on-One with somebody someday. Been meaning to anyway.; it's on my bucket-list.
 
dybmh

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Terry Sampson said:
I esteem the Tzaddik more highly than all of God's other creatures. Start a thread in Judaism DIR, and I'll start a One-on-One with somebody someday. Been meaning to anyway.; it's on my bucket-list.
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Well, in common vernacular, it's just a regular old compliment. No different than someone saying, "you're a gentleman and a scholar"
 
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Terry Sampson

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Harel13 said:
Sure, but I'm not really sure what there is to discuss.
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  1. Discuss what there is to discuss; and
  2. Whether or not,
    dybmh said:
    in common vernacular, "Tzaddik" iss just a regular old compliment. No different than someone saying, "you're a gentleman and a scholar"
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    , and
  3. Whether or not there's a lot more to the label, beyond "the common vernacular".
How's that for a start? Interest you?
 
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Harel13

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
Terry Sampson said:
  1. Discuss what there is to discuss; and
  2. Whether or not,
    , and
  3. Whether or not there's a lot more to the label, beyond "the common vernacular.
How's that for a start? Interest you?
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Sure, okay. Still a bit skeptical though about how far the three of us could go with this.
 
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Terry Sampson

Well-Known Member
Harel13 said:
Still a bit skeptical though about how far the three of us could go with this.
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I can't stay here. We're already off-topic, and one-slip up and my passport will be revoked and I'll be deported. The three of us mice are enough to play. I don't want cockroaches and cats interrupting us. If any of your elders want's to take us to the woodshed, they can take you and you can tell me what they said. If the One-on-One fizzles, so be it; I can live with that. We could, of course, make it a private Conversation.
 
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Terry Sampson

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dybmh said:
I got this
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Ha! You wanna load up on ammunition, eh? You won't need much; all I've got is a slingshot and a couple of rocks. :D
Couple of days are fine. I've got to study for and take a driving test to renew my driver's license before Monday (California Time).
I know it won't be fun without me, but go ahead and start whenever you're ready. I'll catch up when I get my test out of the way.
Till then, bye for now.
 
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