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Without Jesus Creation Isn’t Possible IMO

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
Colossians 1:15-16
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
 

McBell

Unbound
Colossians 1:15-16
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
Simply not true:

Ancient Greeks
As recounted in Hesiod’s Theogony, Gaia, the mother earth goddess, arose from the primordial chaos and created Uranus (the sky) so she could cover herself. These two deities then produced a number of first-tier gods, including the Cyclopes (one-eyed monsters), the Hecatonchires (monsters with 100 hands and 50 heads), and 12 gods known as the Titans. Since most of these “children” were indeed monsters, Uranus imprisoned them in the bowels of the earth, known as Tartarus. In retaliation, Gaia made a huge sickle and gave it to Cronus, her youngest son. The next time Uranus came calling on Gaia, Cronus castrated Uranus. When these body parts hit the ground, they produced numerous additional monsters, known as the Giants and the Furies. Where the body parts hit the oceans, they produced Aphrodite, the goddess of love. Cronus himself subsequently fathered the second-tier gods, including the Olympians and Zeus, the god of thunder and lightning. Eventually, Zeus overthrew his father Cronus and became king of the gods.​
Babylonians
Babylonia was the largest city in the ancient (ca. 2,300 B.C.) kingdom of Mesopotamia located along the Euphrates River in present-day Iraq. The Babylonian creation story, known as the Enuma Elish, started with the fresh-water god Apsu and the salt-water goddess Tiamat. These two produced several generations of gods, including Ea. Apsu was not enamored with any of his children and attempted to kill them. Ea, however, interceded, killing Apsu instead. Ea and the goddess Damkina subsequently spawned Marduk, a four-eyed, four-eared giant, to be their protector against Tiamat, who had sworn vengeance against Ea for killing her husband Apsu. Ultimately Marduk killed Tiamat, splitting her body in half to create the earth and sky. Then he created human beings to do the bidding of the gods.​
Middle Kingdom Chinese
For the ancient Chinese of the Middle Kingdom (ca. 1,000 B.C.), the opposing forces of yin and yang emerged out of the timeless void as a cosmic egg that created the earth (yin) and sky (yang), and ultimately Pan-gu, the first god. When Pan-gu died some 18,000 years later, his body parts created the universe, including the animals, the weather, and all of the celestial bodies. Additional gods and goddesses sprang up, including Nuwa, a lonely goddess who created human beings from the mud of the Yellow River. These humans became nobles. Nuwa also created the common class of humans by means of throwing muddy droplets out over the earth.​
Aztecs
The Aztecs, the 12th Century civilization of present-day Mexico, also had a creation story. The Aztecs’ story begins with Coatlicue, their version of Gaia; i.e., mother earth. An obsidian knife impregnated her, producing Coyolxauhqui, the moon goddess, and 400 sons who became the stars in the sky. Coatlicue subsequently became pregnant again, this time via a ball of feathers that fell from the sky. Coyolxauhqui and her brothers rose up against their mother for this pregnancy, but before they could kill her, Huitzilopochtli, the god of war and the sun, sprang from her womb fully grown and armored. He killed Coyolxauhqui, aided by his fire serpent, by cutting off her head and flinging it into the sky, where it became the moon.​

 

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
Simply not true:

Ancient Greeks
As recounted in Hesiod’s Theogony, Gaia, the mother earth goddess, arose from the primordial chaos and created Uranus (the sky) so she could cover herself. These two deities then produced a number of first-tier gods, including the Cyclopes (one-eyed monsters), the Hecatonchires (monsters with 100 hands and 50 heads), and 12 gods known as the Titans. Since most of these “children” were indeed monsters, Uranus imprisoned them in the bowels of the earth, known as Tartarus. In retaliation, Gaia made a huge sickle and gave it to Cronus, her youngest son. The next time Uranus came calling on Gaia, Cronus castrated Uranus. When these body parts hit the ground, they produced numerous additional monsters, known as the Giants and the Furies. Where the body parts hit the oceans, they produced Aphrodite, the goddess of love. Cronus himself subsequently fathered the second-tier gods, including the Olympians and Zeus, the god of thunder and lightning. Eventually, Zeus overthrew his father Cronus and became king of the gods.​
Babylonians
Babylonia was the largest city in the ancient (ca. 2,300 B.C.) kingdom of Mesopotamia located along the Euphrates River in present-day Iraq. The Babylonian creation story, known as the Enuma Elish, started with the fresh-water god Apsu and the salt-water goddess Tiamat. These two produced several generations of gods, including Ea. Apsu was not enamored with any of his children and attempted to kill them. Ea, however, interceded, killing Apsu instead. Ea and the goddess Damkina subsequently spawned Marduk, a four-eyed, four-eared giant, to be their protector against Tiamat, who had sworn vengeance against Ea for killing her husband Apsu. Ultimately Marduk killed Tiamat, splitting her body in half to create the earth and sky. Then he created human beings to do the bidding of the gods.​
Middle Kingdom Chinese
For the ancient Chinese of the Middle Kingdom (ca. 1,000 B.C.), the opposing forces of yin and yang emerged out of the timeless void as a cosmic egg that created the earth (yin) and sky (yang), and ultimately Pan-gu, the first god. When Pan-gu died some 18,000 years later, his body parts created the universe, including the animals, the weather, and all of the celestial bodies. Additional gods and goddesses sprang up, including Nuwa, a lonely goddess who created human beings from the mud of the Yellow River. These humans became nobles. Nuwa also created the common class of humans by means of throwing muddy droplets out over the earth.​
Aztecs
The Aztecs, the 12th Century civilization of present-day Mexico, also had a creation story. The Aztecs’ story begins with Coatlicue, their version of Gaia; i.e., mother earth. An obsidian knife impregnated her, producing Coyolxauhqui, the moon goddess, and 400 sons who became the stars in the sky. Coatlicue subsequently became pregnant again, this time via a ball of feathers that fell from the sky. Coyolxauhqui and her brothers rose up against their mother for this pregnancy, but before they could kill her, Huitzilopochtli, the god of war and the sun, sprang from her womb fully grown and armored. He killed Coyolxauhqui, aided by his fire serpent, by cutting off her head and flinging it into the sky, where it became the moon.​

Creation stories are fascinating aren’t they?
 

Madsaac

Active Member
Colossians 1:15-16
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
What is Colossians?
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Colossians 1:15-16
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
Doesn't make much sense to me. And things written in the Bible do not get my unquestioned acceptance.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Colossians 1:15-16
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
Without Paul we would be spared all this stuff and nonsense.
 

ChatwithGod

ChatwithGod.ai
These verses remind us that Jesus is at the heart of all creation, reflecting God's image and purpose. Colossians 1:15-16 emphasizes Jesus' central role in creation and God's plan. It tells us that Jesus is not just part of the universe; He is the reason it exists, showing His importance and connection to everything.
 

ChatwithGod

ChatwithGod.ai
These verses remind us that Jesus is at the heart of all creation, reflecting God's image and purpose. Colossians 1:15-16 emphasizes Jesus' central role in creation and God's plan. It tells us that Jesus is not just part of the universe; He is the reason it exists, showing His importance and connection to everything.
 

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
Simply not true:

Ancient Greeks
As recounted in Hesiod’s Theogony, Gaia, the mother earth goddess, arose from the primordial chaos and created Uranus (the sky) so she could cover herself. These two deities then produced a number of first-tier gods, including the Cyclopes (one-eyed monsters), the Hecatonchires (monsters with 100 hands and 50 heads), and 12 gods known as the Titans. Since most of these “children” were indeed monsters, Uranus imprisoned them in the bowels of the earth, known as Tartarus. In retaliation, Gaia made a huge sickle and gave it to Cronus, her youngest son. The next time Uranus came calling on Gaia, Cronus castrated Uranus. When these body parts hit the ground, they produced numerous additional monsters, known as the Giants and the Furies. Where the body parts hit the oceans, they produced Aphrodite, the goddess of love. Cronus himself subsequently fathered the second-tier gods, including the Olympians and Zeus, the god of thunder and lightning. Eventually, Zeus overthrew his father Cronus and became king of the gods.​
Babylonians
Babylonia was the largest city in the ancient (ca. 2,300 B.C.) kingdom of Mesopotamia located along the Euphrates River in present-day Iraq. The Babylonian creation story, known as the Enuma Elish, started with the fresh-water god Apsu and the salt-water goddess Tiamat. These two produced several generations of gods, including Ea. Apsu was not enamored with any of his children and attempted to kill them. Ea, however, interceded, killing Apsu instead. Ea and the goddess Damkina subsequently spawned Marduk, a four-eyed, four-eared giant, to be their protector against Tiamat, who had sworn vengeance against Ea for killing her husband Apsu. Ultimately Marduk killed Tiamat, splitting her body in half to create the earth and sky. Then he created human beings to do the bidding of the gods.​
Middle Kingdom Chinese
For the ancient Chinese of the Middle Kingdom (ca. 1,000 B.C.), the opposing forces of yin and yang emerged out of the timeless void as a cosmic egg that created the earth (yin) and sky (yang), and ultimately Pan-gu, the first god. When Pan-gu died some 18,000 years later, his body parts created the universe, including the animals, the weather, and all of the celestial bodies. Additional gods and goddesses sprang up, including Nuwa, a lonely goddess who created human beings from the mud of the Yellow River. These humans became nobles. Nuwa also created the common class of humans by means of throwing muddy droplets out over the earth.​
Aztecs
The Aztecs, the 12th Century civilization of present-day Mexico, also had a creation story. The Aztecs’ story begins with Coatlicue, their version of Gaia; i.e., mother earth. An obsidian knife impregnated her, producing Coyolxauhqui, the moon goddess, and 400 sons who became the stars in the sky. Coatlicue subsequently became pregnant again, this time via a ball of feathers that fell from the sky. Coyolxauhqui and her brothers rose up against their mother for this pregnancy, but before they could kill her, Huitzilopochtli, the god of war and the sun, sprang from her womb fully grown and armored. He killed Coyolxauhqui, aided by his fire serpent, by cutting off her head and flinging it into the sky, where it became the moon.​

I know I'm disrespecting these cultures, but I find these stories hilarious.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Colossians 1:15-16
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
I believe creation refers back to God not the Son. Jesus was not there at creation but God was.
 

soulsurvivor

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Colossians 1:15-16
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
The earth is a miniscule, obscure planet in an obscure star system at the periphery of a massive galaxy which is just a medium size galaxy in universe of 100 billion or more galaxies with an estimated 100-billion-star systems each. The creation of this vast universe is in no way dependent on some human born on this minor, obscure planet.
 

Eddi

Christianity
Premium Member
Colossians 1:15-16
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
If the world began in 1979 then the creation account never truly happened and biblical accounts are just stories
 

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
If the world began in 1979 then the creation account never truly happened and biblical accounts are just stories
Obviously I think the story of Jesus has a deeper meaning regarding the real truth.
 
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Jimmy

King Phenomenon
The earth is a miniscule, obscure planet in an obscure star system at the periphery of a massive galaxy which is just a medium size galaxy in universe of 100 billion or more galaxies with an estimated 100-billion-star systems each. The creation of this vast universe is in no way dependent on some human born on this minor, obscure planet.
First of all, I think all of existence started in 1979 and that I am the reason for all of it. Secondly, I think the story of Jesus in the Bible has deeper meaning if one decides to look for it in my opinion.
 

ppp

Well-Known Member
Colossians 1:15-16
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
What's the problem with there being no creation?
 
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