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Without Jesus Creation Isn’t Possible IMO
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ppp
Well-Known Member
Well, you say you "know" otherwise. Just like any guy in a bar with a strong opinion
A little weird, if I may say so. But if true, then Jesus did not even exist 2000 years ago, let alone caused the Universe to exist.
Some of the events that happened in 1979:
- The Iranian Revolution
- The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan
- The Three Mile Island accident
- The election of Margaret Thatcher
- Deng Xiaoping's visit to the United States
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
@soulsurvivor “A little weird, if I may say so. But if true, then Jesus did not even exist 2000 years ago, let alone caused the Universe to exist.”
Right, hence the deeper meaning.
Right, hence the deeper meaning.
Yes, that's a core part of Trinitarianism. It has to do with Jesus Christ being the divine Logos, through which the universe was formed.
According to who? Most Christians believe that Christ existed from all eternity, as God. And that contradicts the first chapter of John, as well.
Christ is but One of many messengers sent to earth by God. But there is only one God. Although the days of the week are named differently yet the sun is one and the same sun shining each day. God sends His Light to the world regularly not only Christ. So at one time He sent Abraham and Moses then Jesus and at another Buddha, Krishna, Muhammad and Baha’u’llah. The Names are different but the same Holy Spirit is revealed through them all.
Ahm, according to the evidence the universe has been around for about 14 billion years, the solar system including the earth about 4.6 billion years, life here at least 3.6 billion years, humans something like 200,000 years, and the bible god about 3,500 years.
Still, Paul didn't have the advantages of modern cosmology to inform him of such things. And he was something of a dingbat whichever way you look at it.
Ahm, according to the evidence the universe has been around for about 14 billion years, the solar system including the earth about 4.6 billion years, life here at least 3.6 billion years, humans something like 200,000 years, and the bible god about 3,500 years.
Still, Paul didn't have the advantages of modern cosmology and archaeology to inform him of such things. And he was something of a dingbat whichever way you look at it.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Then why does Jesus say he is the Lord of the Living and not the dead, yet Paul says he is the Lord of the Living and the Dead?
Muffled
Jesus in me
What evidence do you consider? From my experience Paul is spot on in I Cor, 12 about the gifts of the Spirit.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe that because the Bible clearly shows that Jesus was conceived and that it was God who was the indwelling Spirit. Saying that Jesus was there before assumes that Jesus had another spirit separate from God which is not the case.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe that means two different forms of dead. Dead in body and dead in spirit. Jesus was talking about spirit and Paul was talking about body.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
So much so that he completely omitted and disregarded Matthew 24:23 right out of the Bible!
Exactly. Although I am not a Christian, I am of the position that the teachings of the Orthodox Church about God are perfectly consistent with the New Testament. The Son of God is divine and has always existed.
When some people try to use the New Testament to deny the Orthodox faith and argue for some other faith, they fail. They fail because the New Testament was not written by unitarians, modalists, or whatever. The New Testament was written by Orthodox Christians, so it comes from the Orthodox Church and nowhere else. It would be like somebody taking the Bhagavad Gītā, using it in a new Dharmic religion, and claiming that Sri Krishna was not divine. In actuality, the Gītā is a Hindu scripture and it presents Sri Krishna as divine. Similarly, the New Testament belongs to the Orthodox Church and it presents Jesus Christ as both divine and human. Their faith can be learned within their Church and personally experienced and verified by the individual in the Liturgy, Mysteries, and private prayer, as is taught.
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
You believe this, but the Bible doesn't support it.
There's also the issue Jehovah commanded multiple times to be fruitful and multiply. Paul explicitly contradicts that when he says it's best to be unmarried like him.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Well, again, that's what you believe.
What do I believe? I don't think that Paul gave a hoot about what Jesus said or did..... He only ever mentioned the communion, execution and resurrection, you know, and nothing about Jesus the man.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Maybe you have seen a thread I posted a long time ago called How Paul changed the course of Christianity, or maybe not.
How Paul changed the course of Christianity
This is an excerpt from the book entitled The Light Shineth in Darkness, Studies in revelation after Christ by Udo Schaefer. This section explains how Paul changed the Christianity of Jesus. It is important to note that the views expressed by this author reflect his individual perspective and...
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oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Absolutely!
I reckon that Paul and the early church actually fabricated Christianity, choosing popular aspects of surrounding religions to attract converts and continuing to do that for hundreds of years afterwards.
I remember reading about the Saints of Christianity, so many names drawn from other religions, in a book about the Anglo-French wars of the middle ages the author explained that so many 'Saints Days' were actually celebrating names from other religions.
Paul didn't seem to care about what Jesus said or did, his letters were all about his ideas.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe Paul never did that.