Woman, 2 children die crossing Rio Grande as Border Patrol says Texas troops prevented them from intervening

[Father Heathen]

Bs.

I'm pointing out to those who are actually responsible for all of this. None of it would ever happen if it wasn't for this reckless and careless invitation for people to come in overwhelming droves.

Start recognizing that for a change.

Again, unless you think it justifies letting kids drown, it's off topic. If you want to debate that, go start another thread.

 

[Father Heathen]

I invite anybody to simply look at your post history and have them determine that on their own.

I'm not playing your , "I got a case of amnesia" quiz games anymore.

Go comb through it and mash that report button.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I don't understand how state officials can simply "take over" an area on the border, which is clearly Border Patrol jurisdiction.

From the article:





There may not be any way to prevent states from patrolling their own borders, but they can't interfere in the jurisdictional duty of federal officers. Something is seriously amiss here.

It's so bad Texas is calling in the National Guard which is their right to do so.

MSN

 

[Twilight Hue]

Again, unless you think it justifies letting kids drown, it's off topic. If you want to debate that, go start another thread.

I never said it justifies it and I don't know the reason why. I'm guessing there's more to the story than people are being let on.

But I do know who's ultimately responsible which is those that enabled this scenario to occur in the first place.

I should point out that you take your own advice. I'm staying here weither you like it or not.

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[Shaul]

One way to prevent such needless drowning cases is to prevent the people from attempting to cross the river. Something the Border Patrol is supposed to be doing. IOW if the Border Patrol did their jobs such needless deaths wouldn't occur.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's so bad Texas is calling in the National Guard which is their right to do so.

MSN

Is it? That is still running through the courts. What is the Texas State National Guard's position on seekers of asylum?

 

[Twilight Hue]

One way to prevent such needless drowning cases is to prevent the people from attempting to cross the river. Something the Border Patrol is supposed to be doing. IOW if the Border Patrol did their jobs such needless deaths wouldn't occur.

Exactly. As you well know, in spite of plea after plea from the states since the beginning of the Biden regime , Biden and his puppeteer administration is totally ignoring everything and is doing absolutely nothing about it.

This is what prompted Texas to take action in the first place. What gets me is deaths of women and children have been going on at the border for decades now , and yet this latest single incident is just another disgusting opportunity for the left to use victims as their political pawns to attack the right wing and accusing them rather than looking at themselves as the real cause of it all.

That's how I see it.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Is it? That is still running through the courts. What is the Texas State National Guard's position on seekers of asylum?

I would have to read further up on it, but I do know Texas has has been compelled to go that route.

I'm guessing whatever Source you go to would provide you with the proper answers.

 

[F1fan]

What's sick and horrifying is parents who put their children (if it is even their children) in that kind of danger in the first place. If true of course.

Right, parents escaping crime rampant communities for a better life in the USA. Their big mistake is thinking Texas republicans are any more moral than cartels.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I would have to read further up on it, but I do know Texas has has been compelled to go that route.

I'm guessing whatever Source you go to would provide you with the proper answers.

Yes, one should always go to reliable sources. I do not understand why you oppose that concept. For example I went to this source. I hope that it is okay with you:

Guides: Immigration Law: Refugees & Asylum Seekers

This guide provides information on Texas and federal immigration laws.

guides.sll.texas.gov

 

[Twilight Hue]

Right, parents escaping crime rampant communities for a better life in the USA. Their big mistake is thinking Texas republicans are any more moral than cartels.

Did you ever wonder why they don't fight for their own territory and have their own issues worked out?

As of yet, I've heard of no plea to do something about their situation in terms of intervention by the UN , or any other worldwide watchdog monitoring the situation.

Down there one thing I'll say, is I'm actually estactic to see Ecuador starting to take charge.

‘We are at war’: Ecuador’s president vows to crack down on gangs behind week of violence

After criminals storm TV station and take prison guards hostage, Daniel Noboa pledges to stop his country becoming a narco-state

www.theguardian.com

Photos: Ecuador ‘in state of war’ against drug cartels’ terror campaign

Schools and stores are shuttered, people are staying home as soldiers roam the streets of Ecuador’s biggest cities.

www.aljazeera.com

My greatest desire is this to see common people make a better life in their own Homeland by their own hands through courage and mettle against their tormentors.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yes, one should always go to reliable sources. I do not understand why you oppose that concept. For example I went to this source. I hope that it is okay with you:

Guides: Immigration Law: Refugees & Asylum Seekers

This guide provides information on Texas and federal immigration laws.

guides.sll.texas.gov

If you noticed in my past post history I'm obviously against the present surge, but I am not against making things a little easier for people to gain citizenship in this country but they need to go through proper channels for our security as much as theirs.

I'm with those who would like to see the process made simpler and easier and can be accommodated through a joint effort between the US and Mexico.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If you noticed in my past post history I'm obviously against the present surge, but I am not against making things a little easier for people to gain citizenship in this country but they need to go through proper channels for our security as much as theirs.

I'm with those who would like to see the process made simpler and easier and can be accommodated through a joint effort between the US and Mexico.

"Proper channels" includes crossing the border illegally if one is a refugee.

 

[Twilight Hue]

"Proper channels" includes crossing the border illegally if one is a refugee.

That's not entirely true especially when you consider that with Canada , as an example, nobody illegally enters Canada , you just stop at the checkpoint.

I suppose technically you're right givin the actual border location and of course there is the Constitution free zone as well.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's not entirely true especially when you consider that with Canada , as an example, nobody illegally enters Canada , you just stop at the checkpoint.

I suppose technically you're right givin the actual border location and of course there is the Constitution free zone as well.

Though Canada has its own laws, they probably have the same regulation since it is international law that we agreed to. It is also US law that says if a refugee gets across the border they only need to present themselves to earn that status.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-94/pdf/STATUTE-94-Pg102.pdf

That is not a link from the Texas source that I used, but the links that it lists says the same things.

And if one thinks about it a refugee may have a good reason to keep their identity secret until they get across the US border.

Oh, and as I said that would apply to Canada as well. If you go up north of where I live the border between the US and Canada is simple cable fence that one could hop across. If you go up into the cascades, even the cables are probably gone. So if things get bad for you after the elections this fall you could cross and easily ask for asylum status.

 

[fantome profane]

nobody illegally enters Canada

where did you get that idea?

 

[Twilight Hue]

where did you get that idea?

It was a specific thing you can still go up to the Border guards on the Canadian side without being prosecuted for the purpose of crossing the border.

 

[F1fan]

Did you ever wonder why they don't fight for their own territory and have their own issues worked out?

Because they aren't armed to the teeth like violent gangs. They can't afford guns, so you tell me how they do it.

An ex-girlfriend of mine is Cuban, and a clinical psychologist. She did work with migrants who were seeking asylum in the USA and she did psychological assessments on them. She told me stories of what these people endured. Most all the women she saw had been raped or threatened with rape. Most of the men were threatened in one way of another, and victims of crime. Their situation is vastly worse than what you hear about on newscasts.

As of yet, I've heard of no plea to do something about their situation in terms of intervention by the UN , or any other worldwide watchdog monitoring the situation.

I doubt you would give it a glace if you had it preeted to you. The right wing media has vilified migrants to such a degree that those who die don't garner a scrap of sympathy. So much for the party of family values. That coffin was nailed shut when Trump separated children from their families without any paperwork. Right wingers had no problem with this.

Down there one thing I'll say, is I'm actually estactic to see Ecuador starting to take charge.

‘We are at war’: Ecuador’s president vows to crack down on gangs behind week of violence

After criminals storm TV station and take prison guards hostage, Daniel Noboa pledges to stop his country becoming a narco-state

www.theguardian.com

Photos: Ecuador ‘in state of war’ against drug cartels’ terror campaign

Schools and stores are shuttered, people are staying home as soldiers roam the streets of Ecuador’s biggest cities.

www.aljazeera.com

My greatest desire is this to see common people make a better life in their own Homeland by their own hands through courage and mettle against their tormentors.

If republicans really wanted to help there would be an effort in the House. Republcians went so far as to admit they won't do anything until they get the presidency back because they don't want to give Biden a win. Trump had four years, most with a republicans congress, and they did nothing that didn't violate US and international law.

 

[Stevicus]

It's so bad Texas is calling in the National Guard which is their right to do so.

MSN

In any case, there needs to be some sort of investigation and court ruling on this, since they can't be working against each other like this. Texas has the right to call in the National Guard, true, but they also have to stay within the law - as they're supposedly enforcing the same laws that the Border Patrol are supposed to enforce.

We're talking about armed National Guard troops blocking the Border Patrol from accessing an area within their jurisdiction, which happens to be the entire United States - and especially any territory along the border. What happens if the Border Patrol decides to crash through anyway? Are they going to have a shoot out?

Have we heard anything from those who are there on the scene, both Border Patrol and National Guard? Are they really at odds with each other, or are they being micromanaged from above by various political authorities wanting to make political capital out of this whole thing?

 

[Stevicus]

I found another article on the incident:

3 migrants drowned near area where Texas has denied entry to federal border agents

Last week, Texas National Guard soldiers abruptly seized control of a public park in Eagle Pass that Border Patrol had been using to hold migrants

www.cbsnews.com

The OP article mentioned that federal officials were first alerted to the migrants in danger on the Rio Grande by Mexican officials, apparently in the area that the National Guard just took over and barred the Border Patrol, as well as Federal National Guard. It was just "Texans only" in that section, for whatever reason.

Then it says in this article federal officials tried unsuccessfully by phone to reach the Texas National Guard, at which point they showed up and were denied entry.

On Friday night, Border Patrol identified six migrants in the Rio Grande who were in distress near the park, known as Shelby Park, Democratic Congressman Henry Cuellar said in a statement Saturday. Federal agents, Cuellar added, unsuccessfully attempted to contact Texas state officials about the emergency by phone. Then, when Border Patrol agents went to the park and asked to be allowed to render aid to the migrants, they were denied entry, according to Cuellar.

"Texas Military Department soldiers stated they would not grant access to the migrants — even in the event of an emergency — and that they would send a soldier to investigate the situation," Cuellar said, noting that Mexican officials recovered three bodies on Saturday.

So, they couldn't reach Texas state officials by phone? The communication system broke down? Was there any way for the Mexican officials to reach the Texas National Guard troops directly?