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Woman Beheaded In Broad Daylight in ‘Moderate’ Muslim Nation

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
I gave myself some time to think about it...and....
I see no excuse for the brutality displayed
May the angelic of heaven return the deed

Agreed. Yet there are those of that community that condone and approve.
"Let's burn a captured pilot to death in world wide television and show the world
how civilized Islam can really be."
While the Muslim world approved of this barbarism.

I know of NO OTHER MODERN religion that practices barbarism even close
to what happens in the radical muslim world.
Miami anyone? Twin Towers? Boston Marathon?
Most ALL other religions matured and grew through worship and devotion to the
god of there understanding.
Even Christians.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Agreed. Yet there are those of that community that condone and approve.
"Let's burn a captured pilot to death in world wide television and show the world
how civilized Islam can really be."
While the Muslim world approved of this barbarism.

I know of NO OTHER MODERN religion that practices barbarism even close
to what happens in the radical muslim world.
Miami anyone? Twin Towers? Boston Marathon?
Most ALL other religions matured and grew through worship and devotion to the
god of there understanding.
Even Christians.
To be fair, other religions have had strife, eg, N Ireland terrorism, Israeli terrorism, US in the Philippines.
Perhaps Islamic terrorism will subside too.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Sadly that is quite correct.
Islamic terrorism will only subside when Islam gets dragged from WITHIN
into this century and quits living in the 7th.
Religious maturity is slow, painful and bloody.
Catholic Church history anyone?

http://rekindlingthereformation.com/RtR-Articles-Papal-Rome-Timeline

LOTS of sites that expose the largely forgotten and suppressed history of the Bloody Catholic Church.
I think and hope the Pope (s) have moved to change that bloody history.

The "church" in south American that murdered untold thousands to rob them
of gold.
Many atrocities by the Church in past history, and some being discovered in modern
times.
Ireland anyone?
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
what a person thinks is one thing
what some people do about it is appalling

I can easily understand an eye for an eye.....a tooth for a tooth

and the caption read ....convicted of killing a 7yr old girl

but to draw sword and kill in a public walk way.........................

did I miss it?
was there a translation for the dead women's last spoken words?
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
ARE YOU SAYING ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS?!?!??!?!?!?!??!!?!
See what I did there?

Jumping to a bold conclusion ain't cha?

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Terrorism

YOU are free to post stats showing the percentage of Muslims that DO NOT
support terrorism to promote Islam.

http://discoveringislam.org/killing_infidels.htm

Please do so.
JAY MICHAELSON
FINDING THE 88%
01.10.15 6:45 AM ET
How to Measure What Muslims Really Believe
How many Muslims support terrorism? About 12 percent.
What is 12 % of 2.1 BILLION?????
Inquiring minds don'cha'know.
I have noting against Islam.
I have everything against Bombings at the Boston Marathon, the Twin Towers
the Miami Massacre........................................................
DEFEND that please????
Again. What is 12 % of 2.1 BILLION?
How many Islamic believer want non believers DEAD?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-man-building-bloodthirsty-crowds-Syria.html

Wonder when the last time ANY other religion in the world did these atrocities?
There is NOTHING wrong with Islam.
There IS something wrong with the way Muslims perceive what is written.
Christians commit the same grave mistakes.
Most Christians don't murder others in the name of Jehovah.
Christians would not rejoice of other Christians did such horrific acts.
 
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Flankerl

Well-Known Member
So you witness a capital punishment and automatically assume there was no trial or legal proceeding followed.

Says a lot about you.

"Hey lets decapitate this "perpetrator" in broad daylight on the street"

Yeah that sounds like there was a trial and legal proceedings.
She probably talked to a man who wasn't of her family or left her home unaccompanied.
 

Theweirdtophat

Well-Known Member
Aw, come on now.
EVERYONE KNOWS Islam IS the religion of peace.
Islam preaches peace among ALL mankind.
Jihad Report
Jul 16, 2016 -
Jul 22, 2016

Attacks 30
Killed 161
Injured 185
Suicide Blasts 3
Countries 14
^^^^ this from just one week. Obviously this information is FALSE, a PLANTED
and FAKE LIE to demean the "religion of peace".
Now I want so very much to invite my friends here at R.F. to get in on the deal of
your lives.
I just happen to have insider information on a land purchase that will make you
and yours RICH.
Florida swamp land under 4 feet of water, infested with 'gators, and mosquitoes
carrying the Zika virus.
In about 200 years this land will be valueless so jump right on this NOW while
you can.
Oh, lest I accidentally offend anyone please understand this information represents
only a fragment of those representing Islam.
85 % if Islam is peace loving without a doubt.

"cast terror into the hearts of those who are bent on denying the truth; strike, then, their necks!" (Koran 8.12).

Hummm?

You also overlooked the part where Niger, United Arab Emirates, Jordan and muslim majority countries have fought against both Boko Haram and isis on their lands. And there are verses in the Quran that forbid such cruel acts, talks about living peacefully with disbelievers and specifically forbidding force conversion, but I guess you overlooked that. Or ignored it.

Like there's no contradictions in the Bible or many other holy scriptures right?
 

sovietchild

Well-Known Member
It looks like she was sentenced to death by the government. I wonder what is the ratio between USA and Saudi Arabia for sentencing people to death for crimes they did not commit.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
"Hey lets decapitate this "perpetrator" in broad daylight on the street"

Yeah that sounds like there was a trial and legal proceedings.
She probably talked to a man who wasn't of her family or left her home unaccompanied.

Capital punishment is carried out in public in Saudi Arabia after a trial and legal proceedings are followed.

And according to Islamic teachings any shred of doubt in conviction warrants the perpetrators freedom. Our Prophet has said it is better to release a guilty person than to kill an innocent person.

So any claim that there has been no trial and that it's just a random act of plucking someone from the public and executing them just shows the level of intellect you and a few other members like you have. Which is zero.

I feel sorry in a way. You are either totally honest and lack intellect or are just a hypocrite.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
BTW that video is quite old. I've seen it a couple of years ago at least. It is a tragedy that members here have stooped to such lows. They'll do anything to attack Islam and receive praise for it.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
And there are people here still defending the Saudi tyrants. Wow. It might be worthwhile taking a look at this undercover documentary filmed in Saudi Arabia. They treat their own people like animals and reward them for doing the same to each other.

Of all the horrible things, all the atrocities the West can be accused of inflicting upon the Middle East, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is one of the worst.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
The beheading is awful, and given Saudi Arabia's track record with human rights abuses, I'm more than a little skeptical of the possible processes through which this capital punishment was arrived at.

That said, I think three issues are being mixed up in this thread:

1) Whether capital punishment itself is ethical, acceptable, or humane

2) Whether beheading is an appropriate way to carry out capital punishment

3) Whether the death sentence imposed on the woman in the video was arrived at through a "proper" trial and legal proceedings.

Now, the first question is very complicated, and the answer can depend on a lot of variables, in my opinion. I think it's important to remember that Saudi Arabia is far from the only country in the world to have capital punishment. Unless one criticizes all other countries that have capital punishment, I don't think it makes much sense to criticize Saudi Arabia as "barbaric" only for having capital punishment. If capital punishment is unethical, inhumane, or unacceptable in any other way, then that applies to all countries, not just Saudi Arabia.

The second question is also not going to have a uniform answer, obviously, since many people don't object to beheading as a method of capital punishment while others do. I personally think the most important question to ask about beheading as far as its being a method of capital punishment goes is how painful or slow it is. This is hinged on the premise that the answer to the first question of whether capital punishment is acceptable at all is a yes (which I'm personally not sure of one way or the other, although I lean toward no in general).

In the U.S., capital punishment is mostly done using lethal injection, and we can see stuff like this:

In the USA, a number of lethal injection executions have been botched. Some executions have lasted between 20 minutes to over an hour and prisoners have been seen gasping for air, grimacing and convulsing during executions. Autopsies have shown severe, foot long chemical burns to the skin and needles have been found in soft tissue.

Source.

Let's put aside our initial reactions to the graphic nature of the video for a moment, although that may sound bad at first. If we do that temporarily and consider the above questions, how is beheading much different from most other methods of execution? Would being shot hurt less? Would being hanged? I don't think what matters here is what the execution looks like; I think what matters is what it feels like to the person on the receiving end of the punishment. If being burned alive inflicted no pain whatsoever on them, no matter how gruesome it looked, I think it would be a more ethical method of capital punishment than the lethal injection (again, this is hinged on the premise that capital punishment is acceptable at all, for the sake of discussion).

This also ties into the "in broad daylight" aspect of the execution: I definitely view public execution as inhumane, unethical, and uncivilized, but one of the objections I saw brought up to the video was something along the lines of, "While the police are watching." Yeah, that's capital punishment; it's state-sanctioned killing. Name one country where capital punishment is used where law enforcement doesn't watch as the convicted are executed. How is police watching a beheading any worse or better than a law enforcement person hanging or shooting a convicted person without much hesitation? Is this possibly also about the fact that beheading perhaps looks more gruesome than hanging or shooting?

The third question, whether the punishment of the woman in the video was arrived at through a full-blown trial and legal proceedings, is one that I think isn't easy to answer, but I'm personally quite skeptical of the justice of the Saudi legal system. Let's not forget that as far as capital punishment goes, this is the same system that deems homosexual sex, apostasy, and "blasphemy" capital crimes. I find it unreliable and overwhelmingly irrational at best.

My last thought in this post is that I think the fact that the source of the video is Saudi Arabia will probably make some people's objections to it even stronger, be it due to general distrust of Saudi Arabia or opposition to Islam, or any other number of factors that are tied to the country, its culture, and/or its religion rather than the acceptability or lack thereof of capital punishment or the method used.

Add the above factors to the fact that many people objecting to the video already oppose capital punishment regardless of the method or country doing it and you have a pretty strong recipe for outrage—which I'm not saying is or isn't understandable per se; I'm merely saying that if we don't consider the source or graphic nature of the video for a moment, what we end up with isn't very different from the usual questions many people ask about capital punishment in general, not just when it happens in Saudi Arabia. It's not like many people would find it exactly pleasant to watch a video of someone being executed by hanging or the firing squad either, after all.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
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Somehow I manage to live in an area with a large number of Muslim immigrants with no problem. The guy who owns the place I live in is a North African Muslim and a Sudanese Muslim family lived next to me, too. (I don't necessarily like him, but the reasons for that don't have anything to do with his religion or ethnicity.) Oh, and there's a mosque and a dawah center a few blocks from here, as well. Do you live in an area with a high number of Muslims? I'm going to assume not. So I think you should go peddle your nonsense elsewhere.
 
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No, not a lot of Muslims here, although they unfortunately do have a presence. What we do have here is a lot of Sikhs. Did you know Sikhism largely exists as a reaction to the Islamic invasion of India?

As for what I am peddling..well..just turn on the news. You won't have to wait long, the events are pretty much a daily thing. From the Muslim rape gangs that have been terrorizing northern Europe for years, to Sharia being enforced by Akbar's in the streets of London, to the regular beheadings and suicide bombings, to regressive Muslim regimes oppressing their women, to their Quran itself and their mission of 'peace' through homogenization(read-elimination of all us kafirs through conversion or conquest).

I don't need to peddle it, the **** sells itself. Europe is starting to see it, bit by bit they are having the liberalism raped out of them.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
No, not a lot of Muslims here, although they unfortunately do have a presence.

"Unfortunately"? Yeah, that sounds much better than those horrible, horrible Muslims in your area.

What we do have here is a lot of Sikhs. Did you know Sikhism largely exists as a reaction to the Islamic invasion of India?

As for what I am peddling..well..just turn on the news. You won't have to wait long, the events are pretty much a daily thing. From the Muslim rape gangs that have been terrorizing northern Europe for years, to Sharia being enforced by Akbar's in the streets of London, to the regular beheadings and suicide bombings, to regressive Muslim regimes oppressing their women, to their Quran itself and their mission of 'peace' through homogenization(read-elimination of all us kafirs through conversion or conquest).

I don't need to peddle it, the **** sells itself. Europe is starting to see it, bit by bit they are having the liberalism raped out of them.

Did you know that some Muslim countries have sent armies to other countries and killed hundreds of thousands of people, many of them completely innocent, and stolen a lot of their resources? They spent trillions of dollars on those wars, too, and invaded those countries with their "evil" immigrant ways.

... oh, wait... those weren't Muslims, and they weren't immigrants either.
 

Theweirdtophat

Well-Known Member
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I want to ask, have you ever met a Muslim in your life?

More often than not, hatred comes from ignorance, as in not knowing enough about a person or group. Many Muslim bashers never even met a Muslim in their life and know very little about their religion except from what they hear on the news which is bias. I think we should quit the whole Muslim hating nonsense and star focusing on people that are actually dangerous

Islam cannot be reasoned with? It is a religion, not a person. What would you do? Ban Islam? It is an idea and ideas cannot be destroyed. It is not like they would not practice it in secret anyway.

Some will say they had bad experiences but that is no excuse. I had bad experiences with blacks and Hispanics but I did not hate all blacks and Hispanics.I was wise enough to know there were good ones as well as bad. Same with muslims. I already know there are good Muslims because I took the time to actually meet them and get to know them. There are good Muslims, whether you want to admit it or not.
 
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YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
As I said, what would you do? You can't destroy Islam because it's an idea and ideas can't be destroyed.
But ideas can be forgotten.


Personally I see Islam collapsing in the next 100-150 years under the weight of its own dogma, failure to adapt to modernity and inability to quell the fanaticism at its heart.
 
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