Woman charged in shooting death of her own fetus.

[oldbadger]

Convicting a 78 year old man of murder for stabbing a person who broke into his home doesn't sound reasonable to me. What do they do with rape over there, just tell the woman to try to enjoy it?

I looked in to this and you are just not understanding the difference between detaining, arresting, charging, indicting and convicting.

This 78 yr old was cleared of all charges.
The burglar came at him with a long screwdriver. He called a warning. He further warned that he would defend. He fought for his life.
That's the way a Brit should react, because the warning and second warning might have avoided the conflict.

So you were wrong, I think, unless you can find another similar case.

 

[Shad]

Are you one of those folks who don't spend a penny (dime) on good security but sleep with a gun under your pillow?

I have dogs. I have locks. I have an alarm. Less fiction in your head. Perhaps you should ask me next time. Yawn.

This kind of mindset is sad.

Nope. You just advocate victimhood. I bet you are good at running away.

If you can show a court that you did everything possible to avoid, deter and reduce conflict, then you're less likely to be defending any actions in the first place, and much more likely to be seen as a reasonable defender in any second place.

Not required by stand your ground law.

You're mindset seems strange to me.

You have probably never been a victim of a serious crime hence your armchair.

 

[oldbadger]

I have dogs. I have locks. I have an alarm. Less fiction in your head. Perhaps you should ask me next time. Yawn.

How can a question be fictitious? I asked you a question and you replied that 'perhaps I should ask next time'?
Anyway.....So you think that dogs, an alarm and locks is good security? I assume that you must do, or you would not have been so dismissive.
And so an intruder could not gain access to your home with ease...... is this what you are saying?
That's another question for you.

Nope. You just advocate victimhood. I bet you are good at running away.

You're interesting.
I'll bet that if any of your heroes ever withdrew from a dangerous situation that this was a 'wise retreat' or 'strategic withdrawal'. But if anybody that you did not like carried out the same action that they would be 'Running dogs', 'Yella-bellies' or 'Despicable Cowards'. Am I right?
Is that how your mind works?

I just hope that you never controlled services people of any kind......... Can you imagine? All those lives thrown to the winds in order to preserve your ego. Far too high a cost.

Not required by stand your ground law.

You have probably never been a victim of a serious crime hence your armchair.

How many criminals have you arrested (or killed) in your life?

What do you (or did you do) for a living?

This could be interesting.

 

[Shad]

How can a question be fictitious?

Due the format of your question as it was biased instead of neutral. "Do you have security" vs the tripe you posted.

I asked you a question and you replied that 'perhaps I should ask next time'?

Again your question was a loaded with bias. You didn't merely ask me about security but had to set it within an ideological slant

Anyway.....So you think that dogs, an alarm and locks is good security?

The dogs are as they will attack intruders. It has worked well for years for me and my family. The alarm system is just a noise maker.

And so an intruder could not gain access to your home with ease...... is this what you are saying?

They can get access. The security is systems are to warn me more than prevent access.

I'll bet that if any of your heroes ever withdrew from a dangerous situation that this was a 'wise retreat' or 'strategic withdrawal'.

What heroes are those exactly?

But if anybody that you did not like carried out the same action that they would be 'Running dogs', 'Yella-bellies' or 'Despicable Cowards'. Am I right?

More fiction.

Is that how your mind works?

Nope. Just the fantasy in your head.

I just hope that you never controlled services people of any kind......... Can you imagine? All those lives thrown to the winds in order to preserve your ego. Far too high a cost.

More fantasy. I am talking about self-defense remember.

How many criminals have you arrested (or killed) in your life?

Zero arrests due to the laws regarding citizen's arrest here. Citizen's arrest is crippled here. Although I have used my dogs to attack people that were criminals about 3 times. I broken one guy's arm when I slammed a door shut on it when he tried to get into my house. (I didn't know he was there when I opened it). No charges filed against me for any of it. I do not arm myself 24/7. However as you can see I have zero issues using force which is the point of self-defense.

What do you (or did you do) for a living?

Tenured professor (dodges eggs)

 

[oldbadger]

Zero arrests due to the laws regarding citizen's arrest here. Citizen's arrest is crippled here.

Question:
Where do you live?

 

[oldbadger]

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They can get access. The security is systems are to warn me more than prevent access.

Huh.......... Not much good then.

Zero arrests due to the laws regarding citizen's arrest here. Citizen's arrest is crippled here.

Canada's arrest laws?
They seem reasonable.
Maybe you couldn't hide behind your dogs/ Huh?

Although I have used my dogs to attack people that were criminals about 3 times.

Ah...... yeah.... see above.

I broken one guy's arm when I slammed a door shut on it when he tried to get into my house. (I didn't know he was there when I opened it). No charges filed against me for any of it.

You sure youi weren't just panicking?

I do not arm myself 24/7. However as you can see I have zero issues using force which is the point of self-defense.

As I can see, it seems you've never confronted a crime in your life.

Tenured professor (dodges eggs)

You hero, you......

 

[Shad]

Huh.......... Not much good then.

You are conflating security systems which are mostly alarms with barriers. As an alarm it works fine especially when I mess up the code. I do not put up barriers as it would lower my property value.

Canada's arrest laws?

Yes. For example there is a time limit to prevent vigilantism. Use of force is dependent upon the force being used against me. If the person isn't violent towards me I can not use a lot of force to detain them. More so my use of force can be used as escalation and assault to kidnapping (happened in Ontario).

They seem reasonable.

I disagree as per the use of force issues.

Maybe you couldn't hide behind your dogs/ Huh?

Nope. I use my dogs as dogs for over 30 years have protected members of my family from criminals when trained. Criminals tend to stop committing a crime when a German Shepard has latched on to their leg.

Ah...... yeah.... see above.

See this is the difference in our views. Yours is the one of being a victim while mine is one of avoiding being a victim. You run. I use whatever I have to protect myself from criminals. Also my shoes last longer

You sure youi weren't just panicking?

Nope. He reached into the house via the door. I slammed it shut. Pretty simple.

As I can see, it seems you've never confronted a crime in your life.

Wrong. 3 attempted B&Es in the last 5 years since government moved the welfare office. One of those was the guy reaching into my house. FYI the cops didn't show up for almost 2 hours.

You hero, you......

Umm k.

 

[Shad]

Question:
Where do you live?

Canada.

I agree with 2A, stand your ground and castle law hence why I advocate self-defense instead of fleeing.

 

[Enoch07]

This is were we have come to folks.

From your article.

“It was the mother of the child who initiated and continued the fight which resulted in the death of her own unborn baby.”

This makes her responsible for whatever happened. She started a fight, refused to back off, and got shot by someone defending themselves.

She did this to herself. This has nothing to do with the new laws restricting abortions. I would hope she would be charged in any state with manslaughter, as she should be. Lock her up and throw away the key for a few years, maybe she'll calm her butt down.

 

[fantome profane]

This makes her responsible

Utter nonsense. Starting an argument does not make you responsible for getting shot 5 times. Nothing can justify shooting a pregnant woman 5 times.

 

[Shiranui117]

Utter nonsense. Starting an argument does not make you responsible for getting shot 5 times. Nothing can justify shooting a pregnant woman 5 times.

Unless you make another person legitimately fear for their lives.

 

[fantome profane]

Unless you make another person legitimately fear for their lives.

A legitimate fear would mean you had no way to explicate yourself from the situation. I don’t believe that applies here.

 

[Shiranui117]

A legitimate fear would mean you had no way to explicate yourself from the situation. I don’t believe that applies here.

I'd have to see video of the incident to be able to say for sure.

 

[Revoltingest]

A legitimate fear would mean you had no way to explicate yourself from the situation. I don’t believe that applies here.

"extricate"

 

[fantome profane]

"extricate"

Thank you

 

[fantome profane]

I'd have to see video of the incident to be able to say for sure.

I just have a hard time believing that she could not get away from an unarmed 6 month pregnant woman who had been shot four times. That this woman in this condition was such an threat that she had to be shot again.

 

[Shiranui117]

I just have a hard time believing that she could not get away from an unarmed 6 month pregnant woman who had been shot four times. That this woman in this condition was such an threat that she had to be shot again.

When you shoot a gun to stop somebody who's attacking you and stands a good chance of killing or severely injuring you, you never fire just one bullet. You lay down multiple shots to make sure they can't get up to attack you again. Those five shots were probably all fired within one second.

 

[Enoch07]

Utter nonsense. Starting an argument does not make you responsible for getting shot 5 times. Nothing can justify shooting a pregnant woman 5 times.

It does when you are the one that initiated and then continued the physical assault. Which in this case she did as stated in the article.

 

[ecco]

Charges dropped against shot pregnant mum

Manslaughter charges dropped against shot pregnant mum
An Alabama district attorney has dropped manslaughter charges against a pregnant woman whose unborn child died after she was shot in the stomach.

Marshae Jones, 28, was allegedly shot by a co-worker while five months pregnant.

She was charged after police alleged that she had started the fight, endangering the child's life.

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The decision was announced by the Jefferson County District Attorney in a press conference on Wednesday.

"We are gratified the district attorney evaluated the matter and chose not to proceed with a case that was neither reasonable nor just," lawyers for Ms Jones said after the decision was announced.

Charges against the alleged shooter had already been dismissed following a failed indictment.

 

[fantome profane]

It does when you are the one that initiated and then continued the physical assault. Which in this case she did as stated in the article.

No, I don’t think it does matter at all. Anything you can do to avoid killing or harming another human being you are morally required to do.