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Woman slams airline for calling her "Miss" instead of Doctor.
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Shad
Veteran Member
It began with:
O’Dwyer was boarding a Qantas plane when a flight attendant reportedly looked at her boarding pass — which said “Dr. O’Dwyer” — and instead addressed her as “Miss O’Dwyer.”
“Do not look at my ticket, look at me, look back at my ticket, decide it’s a typo, and call me Miss O’Dwyer,” Dwyer shared on social media. “I did not spend 8 years at university to be called Miss.”
Siobhan O’Dwyer clapped back at critics. (Photo: Twitter/DrSiobhanO’Dwyer)
O’Dwyer is a senior lecturer in Aging and Family Care at the University of Exeter in the United Kingdom with a PhD.
Her original tweet received more than 8,000 likes and sparked a conversation about casual sexism, with passionate opinions supporting the academic.
However, she has also received a barrage of hate mail from outraged members of the public. According to a recent post, she has asked Twitter to filter out threatening messages. “Sincere apologies if you’ve contacted me for a legitimate reason & not had a response,” she wrote on Thursday. “In an effort to filter out the vitriol, Twitter has inadvertently filtered out some of the kindness & genuine enquiries. Bear with.”
When asked about the specific incident, Qantas commented on their crew’s behavior in general. “We are extremely proud of our cabin crew who respectfully serve our customers day in and day out and play a vital safety role,” A Qantas spokesperson told Yahoo on Thursday. “Our crew treat all passengers with the utmost respect, regardless of age, gender, and occupation.”
Source:Woman slams airline for calling her 'Miss' instead of 'Doctor': 'This was not about my ego'
As someone who has accomplishments academically and have acronymns next to my name, I have to say this is the most ridiculous thing I've read and it kinda makes me wonder whether it is true of the stereotype of the British culture who pride themselves on being "proper and bourgeois English people." Being called "Miss" is not a sign of casual sexism, it is a sign of respect. My mother always taught me that you must treat the elderly and those that are older than you with respect because they are not your equal (by this she equated having living a longer life with wisdom). This is certainly about ego as there are many clinicians, physicians, as well as those that hold a doctorate are hung up on titles. Easy to hide behind sexism when you're called out on something so egotistical and trivial.
*Cough* Seinfeld.. Maestro says hello.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Elitism and entitlement.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Looking at her picture I'm kind of thinking she had been accustomed to a life of entitlement and wealth , deserving of people's respect upon demand.
This leads me to conclude she is the present Incarnation of Cleopatra.
This leads me to conclude she is the present Incarnation of Cleopatra.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Liu
Well-Known Member
Perhaps it was a European airline - at least here in Germany, it's very unusual for someone with a doctor's decree to be addressed as doctor in any situation, except perhaps by foreigners. On my old university's website it even was stated that we should start e.g. emails to them with the equivalent of "Dear Ms. x" (there were almost only female lecturers in that department).
(Using our equivalent of "Miss" instead, would however be considered insulting - nobody uses that anymore since decades.)
EDIT: Okay, it's an Australian one - dunno about the customs there.
(Using our equivalent of "Miss" instead, would however be considered insulting - nobody uses that anymore since decades.)
EDIT: Okay, it's an Australian one - dunno about the customs there.
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TheBannerofHomuraAkemi
Active Member
Respect is earn, not given.
HonestJoe
Well-Known Member
I'd argue that "Miss" is something of a diminutive and an assumption of "Mrs" or "Ms" wouldn't have sounded as bad to her.
That's a side issue. The accusation (unproven, to be fair to the airline staff) is that despite reading the title "Dr", that staff assumed (if only subconsciously) that a woman wouldn't really be a doctor. The woman who objected believes the same mistake would not have been made with a male passenger. Based on my experience in both academia and medicine, it's not an entirely unjustified suspicion.
I think it should also be pointed out that all the woman did is put a brief post on her personal Twitter feed, just like millions of other people will have done about petty irritations in their days. I very much doubt she was looking for a big international news reaction and certainly not all the hate and threats she inevitably received as a direct result of that media attention (infinitely greater offences than anything she did wrong).
Hah!
Says the guy using the prefix, "Father" to gain our respect, adulation & awe.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Well, I have yet to have anyone confess their sins to me so that I may absolve them, or let me feed them wafers.
Here's the kind of Reverend I would aspire to be
:
But I'm sure you'd honor their expectation of confidentiality.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Of course, as long as they continue to tithe generously.
BS in my view. It's like calling the British queen Mrs. Mountbatten-Windsor.
Well, you just insulted my late father-in-law who was called 'doc' (for his PhD) almost his entire life until he died in his early 90's.
If I'm being formal, and this situation is like that, use the title if the title applies. If the person then asks for informality or something else, use what they feel comfortable with. It's ordinary courtesy to do that.
Now if we're speaking of German, the male equivalent would be Herr Doktor XXX.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
If you earned a PhD at Revoltistan University of Ministerial Pontiffship (RUMP)
by writing a thesis on the length & number of Cthulhu's facial appendages,
then you too could demand to be called "Doctor".
Rational Agnostic
Well-Known Member
It began with:
O’Dwyer was boarding a Qantas plane when a flight attendant reportedly looked at her boarding pass — which said “Dr. O’Dwyer” — and instead addressed her as “Miss O’Dwyer.”
“Do not look at my ticket, look at me, look back at my ticket, decide it’s a typo, and call me Miss O’Dwyer,” Dwyer shared on social media. “I did not spend 8 years at university to be called Miss.”
Siobhan O’Dwyer clapped back at critics. (Photo: Twitter/DrSiobhanO’Dwyer)
O’Dwyer is a senior lecturer in Aging and Family Care at the University of Exeter in the United Kingdom with a PhD.
Her original tweet received more than 8,000 likes and sparked a conversation about casual sexism, with passionate opinions supporting the academic.
However, she has also received a barrage of hate mail from outraged members of the public. According to a recent post, she has asked Twitter to filter out threatening messages. “Sincere apologies if you’ve contacted me for a legitimate reason & not had a response,” she wrote on Thursday. “In an effort to filter out the vitriol, Twitter has inadvertently filtered out some of the kindness & genuine enquiries. Bear with.”
When asked about the specific incident, Qantas commented on their crew’s behavior in general. “We are extremely proud of our cabin crew who respectfully serve our customers day in and day out and play a vital safety role,” A Qantas spokesperson told Yahoo on Thursday. “Our crew treat all passengers with the utmost respect, regardless of age, gender, and occupation.”
Source:Woman slams airline for calling her 'Miss' instead of 'Doctor': 'This was not about my ego'
As someone who has accomplishments academically and have acronymns next to my name, I have to say this is the most ridiculous thing I've read and it kinda makes me wonder whether it is true of the stereotype of the British culture who pride themselves on being "proper and bourgeois English people." Being called "Miss" is not a sign of casual sexism, it is a sign of respect. My mother always taught me that you must treat the elderly and those that are older than you with respect because they are not your equal (by this she equated having living a longer life with wisdom). This is certainly about ego as there are many clinicians, physicians, as well as those that hold a doctorate are hung up on titles. Easy to hide behind sexism when you're called out on something so egotistical and trivial.
I agree. So many doctors have the attitude that they are superior to the rest of us, especially medical doctors. In reality, being a doctor doesn't actually require much deep thinking. Don't get me wrong--I respect and appreciate doctors and certainly recognize that we all need them, but they aren't as smart as other professionals like engineers, mathematicians, and programmers, even though they act like they are.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
I’m with you until you said the last portion of your comment. Curious, do you hold a doctoral degree yourself?