Woman slams airline for calling her "Miss" instead of Doctor.

[Epic Beard Man]

BS in my view. It's like calling the British queen Mrs. Mountbatten-Windsor.

I hold a Masters of Science degree in Neuropsychology should I be called Master? Or hold a doctorate should I be called Doctor in a non-clinical or non-academic setting. May God test your late father-in-law but in a non-academic setting he would not be referred to as doctor.

Hell, I don’t even call my fellow colleagues doctor outside of work. You’re either referred to by your last name or mister then last name not doctor. You don’t like it? Tough. I’m on equal footing as any academic and with that being said when we are outside of work you need to drop the ego.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I'd argue that "Miss" is something of a diminutive and an assumption of "Mrs" or "Ms" wouldn't have sounded as bad to her.

That's a side issue. The accusation (unproven, to be fair to the airline staff) is that despite reading the title "Dr", that staff assumed (if only subconsciously) that a woman wouldn't really be a doctor. The woman who objected believes the same mistake would not have been made with a male passenger. Based on my experience in both academia and medicine, it's not an entirely unjustified suspicion.

I think it should also be pointed out that all the woman did is put a brief post on her personal Twitter feed, just like millions of other people will have done about petty irritations in their days. I very much doubt she was looking for a big international news reaction and certainly not all the hate and threats she inevitably received as a direct result of that media attention (infinitely greater offences than anything she did wrong).

It’s not so much of a brief post, but how it resonates with the belief of how some people in power truly think. Dude, you can put Dr. next to your name on almost anything that does not require verification. I have so many subscriptions mailed to me asking for a suffix or title or what not. Outside verification anyone can be a doctor of philosophy or medicine.

If you’re not in a clinical setting or academic institution, what the hell do you want people calling you doctor for?

Excuse me but I don’t buy into the sexism brand but see us clinicians or people in the medical field we know about this ego trip on titles. Unless you’re in the field of academia yourself or clinical setting, you wouldn’t know.

 

[Liu]

I agree. So many doctors have the attitude that they are superior to the rest of us, especially medical doctors. In reality, being a doctor doesn't actually require much deep thinking. Don't get me wrong--I respect and appreciate doctors and certainly recognize that we all need them, but they aren't as smart as other professionals like engineers, mathematicians, and programmers, even though they act like they are.

Many of the (non-medical) doctors I work with also are programmers as it's part of their scientific approach, and I'm expected to learn how to program for my PhD in linguistics, so...

 

[Rational Agnostic]

I’m with you until you said the last portion of your comment. Curious, do you hold a doctoral degree yourself?

No, but I know many biology majors studying to become doctors or nurses who struggle greatly with relatively basic math courses like Calculus and Linear Algebra.

 

[Revoltingest]

I agree. So many doctors have the attitude that they are superior to the rest of us, especially medical doctors. In reality, being a doctor doesn't actually require much deep thinking. Don't get me wrong--I respect and appreciate doctors and certainly recognize that we all need them, but they aren't as smart as other professionals like engineers, mathematicians, and programmers, even though they act like they are.

Physicians are typically mechanics....they just work on humans instead of machines.
This is no insult to mechanics, because both can be smart doing difficult repairs.
But this is different from those who create new things or research.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

No, but I know many biology majors studying to become doctors or nurses who struggle greatly with relatively basic math courses like Calculus and Linear Algebra.

So you not having an advance degree how can you say who is smarter than who? Who you know is not representative of everyone else. Knowing math does not make you smart. Different degrees have their value but I find it ironic people that aren’t in a graduate program or who doesn’t have any post-baccalaureate background try to say who and who is smart.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

So you not having an advance degree how can you say who is smarter than who? Who you know is not representative of everyone else. Knowing math does not make you smart. Different degrees have their value but I find it ironic people that aren’t in a graduate program or who doesn’t have any post-baccalaureate background try to say who and who is smart.

LOL. You made a good thread about the insecure arrogance of people with medical degrees, and now you're showing it yourself. Why does a "degree" make you more qualified to decide which professionals are smarter? BTW, I never implied that you aren't smart.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

LOL. You made a good thread about the insecure arrogance of people with medical degrees.

I made a thread about a woman who used her gender as a crutch to make a big deal outta being called Miss.

LOL. You made a good thread about the insecure arrogance of people with medical degrees, and now you're showing it yourself.

No. You’re implying people with a doctorate in a subject of the arts is less smart than someone who studies “hard science.”

Why does a "degree" make you more qualified to decide which professionals are smarter?

A degree doesn’t but surely using your friends as a comparison model does not necessitate that what you say is true and that goes for anybody. However someone with a graduate degree and hold extensive research experience carries more weight than someone that doesn’t.

 

[sun rise]

Physicians are typically mechanics....they just work on humans instead of machines.
This is no insult to mechanics, because both can be smart doing difficult repairs.
But this is different from those who create new things or research.

Is that an easy one to refute or what because you tie yourself in a knot by using the word "typically" and then "different from whose who ...research" which of course many doctors do not to mention all the "new things" they create from drugs to medical instruments.

I made a thread about a woman who used her gender as a crutch to make a big deal outta being called Miss.

Your signature "A perfect woman, is a nymphomaniac who owns a liquor store." makes your comment expected. Bigotry is bigotry no matter if it's directed to women, blacks, Muslims or any other group when it comes to dismissive language.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

You’re implying people with a doctorate in a subject of the arts is less smart than someone who studies “hard science.”

No, I'm not implying that in all cases. However, it takes much more hard work and deep thinking to get a degree in mathematics or physics than it does to get a degree in sociology, English, or art, for instance. That's not meant as an insult to people with degrees in the arts. It's just a fact.

 

[Stevicus]

Hmmmm.....being addressed by one's degree, eh.
I'd call her "Doctor" if she calls me "Master".

Maybe we can call you "Master-Blaster."

 

[Revoltingest]

Is that an easy one to refute or what because you tie yourself in a knot by using the word "typically" and then "different from whose who ...research" which of course many doctors do not to mention all the "new things" they create from drugs to medical instruments.

I don't know what you're getting at.
But I'll state that I find more intelligence in the creation
than in the maintenance end of any endeavor.
It's just an opinion, so let no one get upset.

 

[Revoltingest]

Maybe we can call you "Master-Blaster."

No...."Blaster" suggests virility & capability.
I'm rather feckless.
But I have a masters degree in fecklessness.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Your signature "A perfect woman, is a nymphomaniac who owns a liquor store." makes your comment expected. Bigotry is bigotry no matter if it's directed to women, blacks, Muslims or any other group when it comes to dismissive language.

You're a very sensitive guy. My signature is a joke. Perhaps the difference is changing one letter such as "A" and replace it with "My." Is that the only thing you prefer to focus on in this thread? Considering the other bigoted and racist things other members have said here you focus on my signature, a bith of selective outrage much?

Is that an easy one to refute or what because you tie yourself in a knot by using the word "typically" and then "different from whose who ...research" which of course many doctors do not to mention all the "new things" they create from drugs to medical instruments.

huh?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Let us recap. In the beginning you said the following:

In reality, being a doctor doesn't actually require much deep thinking. Don't get me wrong--I respect and appreciate doctors and certainly recognize that we all need them, but they aren't as smart as other professionals like engineers, mathematicians, and programmers, even though they act like they are.[/QUOTE]

The first sentence in red is the reason why I asked if you had a doctorate or a graduate degree. Considering you think having a doctorate at that level doesn't require much thinking, I would assume only someone who have done their thesis and ultimately their dissertation could boast such claims. I've written over 200 or something pages in graduate school for research purposes and that was very taxing on my health. I wouldn't say none of that was easy regardless of the graduate/doctoral program. If you've never been a doctoral program much less a graduate program I don't think you have the right to say what is easy and what is not easy.

There are plenty of mathematicians, programmers, and engineers, that are socially inept, and a lot eventually suffer from psychiatric distress because they lack the ability and coping skills to deal with society. Sure we need programmers and engineers, and mathematicians, but what happens when all of our technology is destroyed? Then what? Can a programmer with no skill in surviving in the wild have the ability to survive the elements? You see, math and science are disciplines, but being knowledgeable of them does not mean you are universally knowledgeable or smarter as you implied in red.

No, I'm not implying that in all cases. However, it takes much more hard work and deep thinking to get a degree in mathematics or physics than it does to get a degree in sociology, English, or art, for instance. That's not meant as an insult to people with degrees in the arts. It's just a fact.

Well you have neither advance degree in math or in sociology so how would you know? I'm willing to bet my entire paycheck you don't even know how to write a paper in APA format correctly and that is just the basics for graduate papers.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

Let us recap. In the beginning you said the following:

I was referring to general intelligence, as in logical and quantitative reasoning skills. I recognize that there are plenty of other important skills besides intelligence. I also don't believe that intelligence by itself, means anything without practical skills as well. Having said this, being able to write 200 pages of papers in APA style doesn't necessarily prove anything about critical thinking abilities. I don't deny that it is very taxing and hard work, but it still doesn't necessarily imply that you know how to use logic.

 

[sun rise]

You're a very sensitive guy. My signature is a joke.

One never knows. I do tend to be literal but I also know people who object to bigotry directed at them while engaging in bigotry to others especially when it comes to gender.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

One never knows. I do tend to be literal but I also know people who object to bigotry directed at them while engaging in bigotry to others especially when it comes to gender.

This really isn't a bigoted thing. There are women who are excessive drinkers and who love sex incessantly. Again, I still think you're being really sensitive for many reasons but most importantly, you're misappropriate the term [bigotry] prematurely.

Seeing how I have to explain stuff to a bunch of adults here, and seeing how I'm ruining my signature which was meant to be a joke about MY IDEA OF MY VERSION OF A PERFECT WOMAN let us look at the term bigotry:

big·ot·ry
ˈbiɡətrē/
noun

1. intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

Clearly the first line in my signature is not in opposition to my idea of a perfect woman. I'm clearly inferring that my idea of a perfect woman is someone who lives for sex (nymphomaniac) and also one who owns a liquor (means someone who is an alcoholic-by this, this infers someone with no apprehension to indulge in vice).

Now that I've completely ruined the joke to satisfy your sensitivities I'll change the signature for fear someone else may misappropriate racism, bigotry, sexism, towards my signature.

 

[SomeRandom]

Perhaps it was a European airline - at least here in Germany, it's very unusual for someone with a doctor's decree to be addressed as doctor in any situation, except perhaps by foreigners. On my old university's website it even was stated that we should start e.g. emails to them with the equivalent of "Dear Ms. x" (there were almost only female lecturers in that department).

(Using our equivalent of "Miss" instead, would however be considered insulting - nobody uses that anymore since decades.)

EDIT: Okay, it's an Australian one - dunno about the customs there.

In Australia "miss" is a common form of address, unless the woman is married or ticks the Ms form of address.
I've been flying all my life and never in my life heard Doctor being used to address anyone in an airport, male or female.

 

[Stevicus]