Women are proof of the existence of God

[shunyadragon]

you believe in God.....?

Yes, but not based on unfounded proof, and misuse of science.

. . . and you use the word attribute

Laws of Nature, Love, Justice, Compasion . . .

why not be straightforward?

I am as straight forward as honest logic and science will allow.

God is creator

Yes

and the laws He set in motion will remain that way

science will support this

Old outdated science, and no science will not support this.

 

[shunyadragon]

ok....but for now....
science will insist....an item in motion will remain in motion.

OK, but a little simplistic to only to refer to a Newtonian physics concept.

science would have you believe it all began with a bang
I say.....fair enough

Actually no, science proposes the universe began as the expansion of the universe from a singularity or a Black Hole from within a greater multiverse.

and .....I say....
the rotation needed to be in play BEFORE the bang went off

you may quote me

Science generally agrees.

 

[Aupmanyav]

ok....but for now....
science will insist....an item in motion will remain in motion
and .....I say....
the rotation needed to be in play BEFORE the bang went off

You are very correct. Brahman (what exists) is unchangeable and does not ever stay still. That is an inherent property of Brahman. It is reflected in the motion of sub-atomic particles; and in creation and dissipation of virtual particles. It is Shiva's dance. When Shiva starts dancing, the universe is seemingly created, when Shiva stops dancing, the universe folds up. Change is when the motion stops. Hindu philosophy.

 

[shunyadragon]

You are very correct. Brahman (what exists) is unchangeable and does not ever stay still. That is an inherent property of Brahman. It is reflected in the motion of sub-atomic particles; and in creation and dissipation of virtual particles. It is Shiva's dance. When Shiva starts dancing, the universe is seemingly created, when Shiva stops dancing, the universe folds up. Change is when the motion stops. Hindu philosophy.

From the Baha'i perspective Shiva would not be a separate God as such, but represents the Laws of Nature, and the Creation and Destruction in the cyclic course of our universes and all possible universes. Shiva would be eternal and never stop dancing.

One more comment; You describe Brahman as 'what exists' essentially a pantheistic God. The Baha'i Faith would consider the Brahman as the 'Source' of everything Created to exist even beyond our physical existence, ie the Creator of our universe and all possible universes, and undefinable nor limited to human's concept of God(s) fro the most part created in human images.

 

[Thief]

science proposes the universe began as the expansion of the universe from a singularity or a Black Hole from within a greater multiverse.

ah......no
no multiverse

void

 

[Shad]

Women are just so amazingly beautiful. You could say it is just simply animal lust feelings created by our genes. But I do not think so. There is absolutely nothing more beautiful and sacred than a woman with her newborn. It is a most powerful experience. I think women are a direct conduit to God.

The feelings we associate or attach to our experiences are based on subjective judgments. The realm of spirit exists in our mind-space. The source of all the meaning in our lives comes from the Universe of ideas floating around in our mind-space. Our subjective experiences determines the reality we experience.

Our subjective experiences may be driven by forces and patterns in our unconscious mind but a lot of it can be brought to the forefront through the making of conscious choices. We can choose exactly how we wish or want to interpret the meaning of our experiences. I do not need a science to prove something I just know or choose to believe about the way we associate meaning to our experiences. I just know we have a choice in how we experience our lives.

I choose to experience the curves of a woman's body and the texture of her skin as divine.

Could be proof of the devil too /s

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Women are just so amazingly beautiful. You could say it is just simply animal lust feelings created by our genes. But I do not think so. There is absolutely nothing more beautiful and sacred than a woman with her newborn. It is a most powerful experience. I think women are a direct conduit to God.

That's such a whipped hetero male thing to say.

Males and females can both be beautiful. They can both be ugly, too. My religion celebrates and idealizes the physical beauty of developed males and females. Neither is superior to the other. Most of my gods were traditionally depicted in the nude (except for Athena, who was never depicted nude, as far as I know, although she is still depicted as beautiful). The masculine ones have strong, muscular athletic bodies. The feminine ones have curvy, graceful bodies. Then there's more androgynous ones like Apollo, who is the ultimate pretty boy. Sometimes he looks almost like a woman in his depictions. All kinds of aesthetic beauty of the human body is celebrated. An athlete at the height of their training is beautiful, so is a Marine, so is a young mother or learned woman, so is an androgynous person.

 

[Aupmanyav]

From the Baha'i perspective Shiva would not be a separate God as such, but represents the Laws of Nature, and the Creation and Destruction in the cyclic course of our universes and all possible universes. Shiva would be eternal and never stop dancing.

One more comment; You describe Brahman as 'what exists' essentially a pantheistic God. The Baha'i Faith would consider the Brahman as the 'Source' of everything Created to exist even beyond our physical existence, ie the Creator of our universe and all possible universes, and undefinable nor limited to human's concept of God(s) for the most part created in human images.

Shiva is not the only God with us Hindus. There is Sheshashayi Vishnu too (reclining on the coils of a thousand-headed king of cobras, Sheshanaga). When he wakes up, the universe seems to be created, when he slumbers, the universe dissipates.

34 kg gold there. Vishnu at Padmanabhswami temple, Thiruananthapuram, Kerala.

Yeah, Brahman is the whole of it and there is no second. Even a grain of sand is Brahman. 'You too are that' (Tat twam asi), that is what Hindu scriptures said. That is much different from what the dualist monotheist religions like Bahais believe. The anthropomorphized Gods are just for convenience.

 

[shunyadragon]

ah......no
no multiverse

void

I was correcting your misunderstanding of the scientific view, and no from the scientific view everything did not begin with the expansion of our universe.

Now, if you believe in the void (the philosophical absolute nothing) OK, but that is not the scientific view.

 

[Thief]

I was correcting your misunderstanding of the scientific view, and no from the scientific view everything did not begin with the expansion of our universe.

Now, if you believe in the void (the philosophical absolute nothing) OK, but that is not the scientific view.

and I have posted soooooo many times....

science will lead you to that point of decision....
and it stops right there

that primordial singularity is a bit ......unscientific

 

[shunyadragon]

and I have posted soooooo many times....

science will lead you to that point of decision....
and it stops right there

that primordial singularity is a bit ......unscientific

and I have posted soooooo many times . . .

Your assertions are unscientific, and science does not lead to your religious agenda.

The multiverse hypothesis is scientific.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Women are just so amazingly beautiful. You could say it is just simply animal lust feelings created by our genes. But I do not think so. There is absolutely nothing more beautiful and sacred than a woman with her newborn. It is a most powerful experience. I think women are a direct conduit to God.

The feelings we associate or attach to our experiences are based on subjective judgments. The realm of spirit exists in our mind-space. The source of all the meaning in our lives comes from the Universe of ideas floating around in our mind-space. Our subjective experiences determines the reality we experience.

Our subjective experiences may be driven by forces and patterns in our unconscious mind but a lot of it can be brought to the forefront through the making of conscious choices. We can choose exactly how we wish or want to interpret the meaning of our experiences. I do not need a science to prove something I just know or choose to believe about the way we associate meaning to our experiences. I just know we have a choice in how we experience our lives.

I choose to experience the curves of a woman's body and the texture of her skin as divine.

Your right.

But let's take what you said a step further

Now Christ Jesus did say, he that lusts after a woman commits adultery with her.

This only pertains to Married people.

Now as for those that are single, how else are they going to find their mate, if some sort of lust for each other, does not come into play.
You can not convince me, that no man or woman doesn't look at one another, without having some attraction of lust, for the other. Whether it be sexual or non-sexual.

So some amount of lust does come into play. Otherwise how is a single person to find that certain mate for themselves.
Whether it be a man or woman.

As you just proved by your statements above, which you are Absolutely positively right about.
There's nothing wrong in that.not one bit.

Therefore when Christ Jesus said thou shalt not commit Adultery this pertains to married people.
And not to those who are single people

The reason why I said what I said.
Is because alot of people thinks this would pertain to single people also.

Unto which it absolutely positively does not.
How else would anyone find their mate, if a certain amount of lust did not come into play.
After some time, both the man and woman, will have lust in their heart for each other, then marriage comes into play.

 

[dfnj]

Your right.

But let's take what you said a step further

Now Christ Jesus did say, he that lusts after a woman commits adultery with her.

This only pertains to Married people.

Now as for those that are single, how else are they going to find their mate, if some sort of lust for each other, does not come into play.
You can not convince me, that no man or woman doesn't look at one another, without having some attraction of lust, for the other. Whether it be sexual or non-sexual.

So some amount of lust does come into play. Otherwise how is a single person to find that certain mate for themselves.
Whether it be a man or woman.

As you just proved by your statements above, which you are Absolutely positively right about.
There's nothing wrong in that.not one bit.

Therefore when Christ Jesus said thou shalt not commit Adultery this pertains to married people.
And not to those who are single people

The reason why I said what I said.
Is because alot of people thinks this would pertain to single people also.

Unto which it absolutely positively does not.
How else would anyone find their mate, if a certain amount of lust did not come into play.
After some time, both the man and woman, will have lust in their heart for each other, then marriage comes into play.

Lust is not the right word. It's funny how people who are obsessed with evil see everything as evil.

 

[shunyadragon]

Shiva is not the only God with us Hindus. There is Sheshashayi Vishnu too (reclining on the coils of a thousand-headed king of cobras, Sheshanaga). When he wakes up, the universe seems to be created, when he slumbers, the universe dissipates.

34 kg gold there. Vishnu at Padmanabhswami temple, Thiruananthapuram, Kerala.

Yeah, Brahman is the whole of it and there is no second. Even a grain of sand is Brahman. 'You too are that' (Tat twam asi), that is what Hindu scriptures said. That is much different from what the dualist monotheist religions like Baha'is believe. The anthropomorphized Gods are just for convenience.

The Baha'is do not try to define what cannot be defined as you do, defining God as pantheistic, with polytheist anthropomorphized God(s) added on..

The above is cop out of the materialistic polytheism of your belief system that makes a vain attempt to define God(s) and make gold statues of them,

 

[shunyadragon]

Lust is not the right word. It's funny how people who are obsessed with evil see everything as evil.

You know the, Fall, Original Sin, and everything is contaminated evil.

 

[Thief]

I was correcting your misunderstanding of the scientific view, and no from the scientific view everything did not begin with the expansion of our universe.

Now, if you believe in the void (the philosophical absolute nothing) OK, but that is not the scientific view.

and I have posted soooooo many times....

science will lead you to that point of decision....
and it stops right there

that primordial singularity is a bit ......unscientific

and I have posted soooooo many times . . .

Your assertions are unscientific, and science does not lead to your religious agenda.

The multiverse hypothesis is scientific.

throwing the flag of science over a theory does not elevate your claim......it's real

as I can take science to a certain point ...and then stop
the same is for you

science will lead to the primordial singularity.....and stops right there

science cannot place that event in photo
there is no fingerprint
the numbers run beyond comprehension
and there is means of a repeatable experiment

and I don't have a religion

 

[Milton Platt]

Women are just so amazingly beautiful. You could say it is just simply animal lust feelings created by our genes. But I do not think so. There is absolutely nothing more beautiful and sacred than a woman with her newborn. It is a most powerful experience. I think women are a direct conduit to God.

The feelings we associate or attach to our experiences are based on subjective judgments. The realm of spirit exists in our mind-space. The source of all the meaning in our lives comes from the Universe of ideas floating around in our mind-space. Our subjective experiences determines the reality we experience.

Our subjective experiences may be driven by forces and patterns in our unconscious mind but a lot of it can be brought to the forefront through the making of conscious choices. We can choose exactly how we wish or want to interpret the meaning of our experiences. I do not need a science to prove something I just know or choose to believe about the way we associate meaning to our experiences. I just know we have a choice in how we experience our lives.

I choose to experience the curves of a woman's body and the texture of her skin as divine.

I fail to see how anything you said is evidence for a god, be it yours or anyone else’s

 

[shunyadragon]

and I have posted soooooo many times....

science will lead you to that point of decision....
and it stops right there

that primordial singularity is a bit ......unscientific


throwing the flag of science over a theory does not elevate your claim......it's real

as I can take science to a certain point ...and then stop
the same is for you

science will lead to the primordial singularity.....and stops right there

science cannot place that event in photo
there is no fingerprint
the numbers run beyond comprehension
and there is means of a repeatable experiment

and I don't have a religion

You do have a religion, and taking a religious agenda in your view of science and not NOT Science. I am at least a scientist with a background and math, physics, and cosmology.

Yes, the multiverse concept has a foundation in science despite your assertions based on a religious agenda. Your only response is a vague unfounded 'argument from ignorance.'

 

[Thief]

You do have a religion,

denied

 

[Thief]

I am at least

agreed