Women: What happens in the voting booth, stays in the voting booth

[Kathryn]

Maybe the man needs to grow up and find some self-confidence and respect for his wife. If he wasn't always so insecure, what happened to him?

He's clearly been that way for a while. It's not a recent phenomenon.

 

[F1fan]

This is the kind of sexism in action that leads some men to think they should be controlling their wives 'for their own good.' Because they 'know better' than their "sweet," "hysterical," "blank-minded" and "ding bat" wives and literally these men think they're protecting her from her own "naive nature."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/psychology/benevolent-sexism

And it's apparent that such men lack self-reflection, and aren't aware of their own weakness and insecurities. The right has definately skewed the notion of what "strong" is in a personality.

 

[F1fan]

He's clearly been that way for a while. It's not a recent phenomenon.

At least since 2016. What happened then? Hmmmm. Little by little the worst in some men (and some women) has found reason to emerge from better sense and decency.

 

[Kathryn]

And it's apparent that such men lack self-reflection, and aren't aware of their own weakness and insecurities. The right has definately skewed the notion of what "strong" is in a personality.

My husband, a college graduate who was also a Trump fan (I have never been one) was definitely not controlling or weak or "strong." And he didn't tell me who to vote for either. I pity the fool.

 

[F1fan]

My husband, a college graduate who was also a Trump fan (I have never been one) was definitely not controlling or weak or "strong." And he didn't tell me who to vote for either. I pity the fool.

Trump should have never gotten into politics. If he had just stayed in TV and branding shoes and watches he would have likely never been discovered to be the unethical conman he is. I can see how some were fans of Trump before his true nature was revealed. I'll give your hubby the benefit of the doubt in being a fan of the false image, and not the true and disgusting person Trump is.

 

[anna.]

At least since 2016. What happened then? Hmmmm. Little by little the worst in some men (and some women) has found reason to emerge from better sense and decency.

They've been listening to Trump, Jordan Peterson, a slew of podcasters, YouTubers, and MGTOW and related sites.

 

[We Never Know]

He's clearly been that way for a while. It's not a recent phenomenon.

What's amusing is the lefts view on women's rights to choose when it comes to voting but if a women chooses to vote Trump, she will be attacked, ridiculed, told how bad/ignorant she is, etc. So much for her right to choose lol

Her right to choose how she votes is only important to the left if she votes their way. (Probably the same with the right).

Man or woman, they both have the right to vote how they choose and shouldn't be attacked, ridiculed, told how bad/ignorant they are if you respect their right.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Maybe she shouldn't stay with a man who is so controlling.

It can be an option on the table, especially if it's an ongoing thing, sure.

There's a larger message beyond spouses, though: if someone is worried about the reaction from any toxic person in their life - husband, sibling, co-workers, pastor, whoever - about voting for Harris, well... the only way they'd know is if you tell them.

BTW: why did you jump to that option instead of saying that maybe the husband shouldn't be so controlling?

 

[Kathryn]

It can be an option on the table, especially if it's an ongoing thing, sure.

There's a larger message beyond spouses, though: if someone is worried about the reaction from any toxic person in their life - husband, sibling, co-workers, pastor, whoever - about voting for Harris, well... the only way they'd know is if you tell them.

BTW: why did you jump to that option instead of saying that maybe the husband shouldn't be so controlling?

Because the commercial was from a woman's perspective and in my experience, you can't force change on anyone. I believe he is that way pretty much across the board.

 

[crossfire]

Because the commercial was from a woman's perspective and in my experience, you can't force change on anyone. I believe he is that way pretty much across the board.

wise words

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Man or woman, they both have the right to vote how they choose and shouldn't be attacked, ridiculed, told how bad/ignorant they are if you respect their right.

Yes, they have been given the right to vote for whomever they choose, but not the right to not be judged harshly if they choose Trump. If you vote for Trump, I can't respect you, man or woman, and I am sure that there are many who agree.

I also wouldn't trust your judgment in other areas, thus I wouldn't hire you as an employee or to house and dog sit for me, because you either don't know right from wrong or don't care.

And of course Trump voters can be condemned. This is no ordinary choice like chocolate or vanilla. It's like choosing a life of crime over an upright walk. It's a matter of moral bankruptcy that affects others. If these people get Trump elected, they will have torpedoed their county and their neighbors, and they should be castigated for doing that.

Speaking of castigate, many years ago I assembled a list of related words with their definitions to get a better sense of the meaning of them all relative to one another, which some here might enjoy seeing:

[1] Animadversion - an unfavorable or censorious comment, or the act of criticizing.
[2] Aspersion - a damaging or derogatory remark, or the act of slandering.
[3] Brickbat - a remark or comment which is highly critical and typically insulting.
[4] Calumny - false and malicious statement designed to injure a reputation
[5] Castigate - criticize or punish someone severely.
[6] Censure - strong or vehement expression of disapproval
[7] Contemn - treat or regard with contempt.
[8] Contumely - insolent or insulting language or treatment. Contumelious, contumeliously
[9] Declaim - forcefully protest against or criticize, or orate passionately
[10] Decry - publicly denounce.
[11] Defamation - unjustified injury of the reputation of a person, group, product, business, government, nation, etc.
[12] Derogate - disparage, belittle
[13] Deprecate - express disapproval; belittle
[14] Disparage - disesteem; represent as worthless
[15] Disprize - to disdain or scorn.
[16] Excoriate – flay verbally
[17] Ignominy - disgrace; dishonor; public contempt, shameful or dishonorable quality
[18] Impugn - question the truthfulness or validity of a statement.
[19] Invective - vehement denunciation, vituperation, an insulting or abusive word or expression
[20] Libel - written defamation
[21] Malign - to speak harmful untruths about; speak evil of; slander; defame
[22] Obloquy - censure, blame, or abusive language, especially by numerous persons; the resulting bad repute
[23] Objurgation - chiding: rebuking a person harshly
[24] Opprobrium - harsh criticism or censure, or the disgrace resulting from a shameful act.
[25] Oppugn - oppose with argument; criticize adversely; call in question
[26] Pejorative - disparaging or belittling.
[27] Reprehend - to disapprove or to reprimand.
[28] Reproach - find fault with; blame; censure, upbraid.
[29] Reprove - reprimand or censure someone. (n. reproof)
[30] Slander - spoken defamation
[31] Traducement - to speak maliciously and falsely of; slander; defame
[32] Upbraid - condemn or criticize severely.
[33] Vilification - abusively disparaging speech or writing.
[34] Vilipend - Regard as worthless or of little value; despise. Speak slightingly or abusively of; vilify
[35] Vituperate - use harsh or abusive language. (Vituperation - verbal abuse or castigation; violent denunciation or condemnation.)

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Because the commercial was from a woman's perspective and in my experience, you can't force change on anyone. I believe he is that way pretty much across the board.

So suggesting that someone be less of a jerk is "forcing change," but suggesting that someone get a divorce isn't. Okay.

 

[Pogo]

Yes, they have been given the right to vote for whomever they choose, but not the right to not be judged harshly if they choose Trump. If you vote for Trump, I can't respect you, man or woman, and I am sure that there are many who agree.

I also wouldn't trust your judgment in other areas, thus I wouldn't hire you as an employee or to house and dog sit for me, because you either don't know right from wrong or don't care.

And of course Trump voters can be condemned. This is no ordinary choice like chocolate or vanilla. It's like choosing a life of crime over an upright walk. It's a matter of moral bankruptcy that affects others. If these people get Trump elected, they will have torpedoed their county and their neighbors, and they should be castigated for doing that.

Speaking of castigate, many years ago I assembled a list of related words with their definitions to get a better sense of the meaning of them all relative to one another, which some here might enjoy seeing:

[1] Animadversion - an unfavorable or censorious comment, or the act of criticizing.
[2] Aspersion - a damaging or derogatory remark, or the act of slandering.
[3] Brickbat - a remark or comment which is highly critical and typically insulting.
[4] Calumny - false and malicious statement designed to injure a reputation
[5] Castigate - criticize or punish someone severely.
[6] Censure - strong or vehement expression of disapproval
[7] Contemn - treat or regard with contempt.
[8] Contumely - insolent or insulting language or treatment. Contumelious, contumeliously
[9] Declaim - forcefully protest against or criticize, or orate passionately
[10] Decry - publicly denounce.
[11] Defamation - unjustified injury of the reputation of a person, group, product, business, government, nation, etc.
[12] Derogate - disparage, belittle
[13] Deprecate - express disapproval; belittle
[14] Disparage - disesteem; represent as worthless
[15] Disprize - to disdain or scorn.
[16] Excoriate – flay verbally
[17] Ignominy - disgrace; dishonor; public contempt, shameful or dishonorable quality
[18] Impugn - question the truthfulness or validity of a statement.
[19] Invective - vehement denunciation, vituperation, an insulting or abusive word or expression
[20] Libel - written defamation
[21] Malign - to speak harmful untruths about; speak evil of; slander; defame
[22] Obloquy - censure, blame, or abusive language, especially by numerous persons; the resulting bad repute
[23] Objurgation - chiding: rebuking a person harshly
[24] Opprobrium - harsh criticism or censure, or the disgrace resulting from a shameful act.
[25] Oppugn - oppose with argument; criticize adversely; call in question
[26] Pejorative - disparaging or belittling.
[27] Reprehend - to disapprove or to reprimand.
[28] Reproach - find fault with; blame; censure, upbraid.
[29] Reprove - reprimand or censure someone. (n. reproof)
[30] Slander - spoken defamation
[31] Traducement - to speak maliciously and falsely of; slander; defame
[32] Upbraid - condemn or criticize severely.
[33] Vilification - abusively disparaging speech or writing.
[34] Vilipend - Regard as worthless or of little value; despise. Speak slightingly or abusively of; vilify
[35] Vituperate - use harsh or abusive language. (Vituperation - verbal abuse or castigation; violent denunciation or condemnation.)

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[Alien826]

I liked that. I understood that to mean that those women were unhappy with their men trying to dominate and control them and were happy to escape that at least just that once. They're unhappy being treated like children, but don't have any other recourse except to submit, fight, or or do what they want anyway secretly.

Remember, many if not most of these women got married as girls or very insecure young women who were initially happy to submit to these men because they thought that that was the path to a happy marriage and being a good wife.

But as the decades passed and they became more confident, more interested in things that never mattered before, and less interested in being told how to live and think, their attitudes toward their husband's domination of them hardened.

But what are they going to do about that if the relationship is otherwise satisfactory? Some will be confrontational and defiant like Thelma and Louise, many of whom will be battered, but more will try to live their lives as they prefer within the confines of the marriage, and if that involves keeping secrets, that's the man's fault. If he would love and promote her well-being rather than trying to maintain control over her, that wouldn't be necessary.

When somebody asks you a question like, "Who did you vote for?" in order to decide if he approves, her options are to tell the truth, lie, or refuse to answer. These were the choices Bill Clinton faced when asked inappropriate questions about his sex life. If his choices are to confess to an affair that he doesn't want made public and which would hurt his marriage and political career, take the fifth, or lie, he's justified in lying, because the first two are both understood as admissions of guilt. The question should never have been asked, but once it was, Clinton was justified in lying.

Likewise with these Handmaid's Tales marriages. If the man asks and she knows that she can expect a backlash telling the truth or refusing to answer, she's justified in saying whatever it is he wants to hear.

OK, this is what I meant. I'll start by describing a mental game I play with advertising. Bear with me, it is relevant. I detest advertising, probably more than is totally reasonable, so when I can't avoid it (like during a TV program that I want to watch), I mute the sound. Another thing I do is criticize the ad on the basis of how effective it is likely to be, as if I were on a focus group.

When I watched this "ad" it rang a bell when the women seemed so smug about fooling their husbands. Not because she has no reason to feel so, but .... well imagine what I think could be a typical woman who is the intended demographic. She has been raised to think that God wants her to be submissive to her husband. If her husband is excessively overbearing, she will defy him as far as she dares on matters that she feels strongly about, and where she thinks she can get away with it. While doing so she feels a mixture of gratification (from doing the right thing), fear (of getting found out and hurt in some way) and guilt (from doing something that her conditioning tells her is wrong). An effective "ad" will strengthen the first while triggering the second two as little as possible. So, there should be no more than a little smile (to show that she feels good about doing the right thing, but not obvious enough for her husband to notice) and she should not appear to be too happy about defying her husband (and feel guilty about it).

The reactions of some of right-wing people, here and elsewhere, testify to this. "It's always wrong to lie to your husband"! That is the husband's view, and that voice is in her head too. "I shouldn't really be doing this".

I don't disagree with anything you said, but I'm trying to gauge the effectiveness of the message.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

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I hadn't heard of it until now. I'll check into it.

This is something I've done for years to build vocabulary. I have quite a few more similar lists some of which I can share here for those interested. I've always been a wordie:

primary
secondary
tertiary
quaternary
quinary
senary
septenary
octonary
nonary
denary.

duplicate
triplicate
quadruplicate
quintuplicate
sextuplicate
septuplicate
octuplicate
nonuplicate
decuplicate
undecuplicate
dodecuplicate
tridecuplicate
icosuplicate

[1] ultimate (last)
[2] penultimate (next to last)
[3] antepenultimate (third from the last)
[4] preantepenultimate (fourth from last)
[5] propreantepenultimate (fifth from the end).

[1] maternal - motherly
[2] paternal - fatherly
[3] sororital, sororal - sisterly
[4] fraternal - brotherly
[5] filial - of an offspring
[6] avuncular - uncle-like
[7] materteral - aunt-like
[8] aval - grandparently
[9] novercal - stepmotherly
[10] nepotal - nephew-like
[11] uxorial - wifelike

Those all derive from the Latin:

pater - father
mater -mother
filia - daughter
filius - son
soror - sister
frater - brother
avus - grandfather
avia - grandmother
avunculus - maternal uncle
patruus - paternal uncle
matertera - maternal aunt
amita - paternal aunt
consobrinus - maternal cousin
consobrina - maternal cousin
patruelis - paternal cousin
socer - father-in-law
socrus - mother-in-law
vir - husband
uxor - wife
nepos - grandson
neptis - granddaughter
vitricus - stepfather
noverca - stepmother
privignus - stepson
privigna - stepdaughter
proavus - great-grandfather
proavia - great-grandmother
pronepos - great-grandson
proneptis - great-granddaughter

[1] vernal - related to spring
[2] estival - related to summer
[3] autumnal - related to autumn
[4] hibernal/hiemal - related to winter

[1] boreal - northern
[2] oriental - eastern
[3] austral - southern
[4] occidental - western

[1] Quibberdick - an unpleasant quibbler
[2] Mome - nitpicking critic
[3] Snoutband - one who constantly interrupts to contradict
[4] Breedbate - one looking for a fight
[5] Snool - to nag constantly to drive another into submission.
[6] Merry-andrew - public clown
[7] Daffsack -lazy glutton
[8] Knipperdollin - fanatical idiot
[9] Snivelard - excessive whiner
[10] Seeksorrow - one always looking for misery and vexation
[11] Cumberworld - a person so lazy as to be a burden on the world
[12] Gink - an insignificantperson
[13] Cockalorum - self-important little man
[14] Quakebuttock - coward


Cursorial - running birds (roadrunner, ostrich)
Raptorial - swoops and steals prey like an owl or pelican.
Insessorial - perching (jays)
Scansorial - climbing (woodpeckers).
Gressorial - walking (penguins)
Natatorial - swimming (ducks, penguins)
Piscatorial - fishing (pelicans)
Saltatorial - hopping (sparrows)
Rasorial - scratching (chickens).
Jaculatory - darting (hummingbirds)

Adjectives for specific birds:

accipitrine - falcon, hawk, kestrel (also falconine)
alaudine - skylark
alcidine - auk, puffin, or murre
alectorine - crane (also gruine)
anatine - duck, mallard
anserine - goose
aquiline - eagle
buteonine, cathartine - buzzard
cathartine - vulture, buzzard
charadrine - plover, snipe, woodcock (also scolopacine)
ciconine - stork
columbine - dove
corvine - crow, raven
coturnine - quail
cuculine - cuckoo
cygnine - swan
cypseline - swift
emberizine - bunting, sparrow
fringilline - finch
fulicine - coot
fuliguline - eider, sea duck
galline - domestic fowl, chicken
garruline - jay, magpie
gruine - crane
halcyonine - kingfisher (also dacelonine)
hirundine - swallow, martin
ibidine - ibis
icterine - blackbird, oriole, meadowlark
larine - gull
meleagrine - turkey
milvine - kite
mimine - mockingbird
pandionine - osprey
parine - tit, titmouse (also penduline)
passerine - sparrow and other perching birds
pavonine - peacock
perdicine - partridge
phalacrocoracine - cormorant
phasianine - pheasant
philomelian - nightingale
picine - woodpecker
psittacine - parrot, macaw
pullastrine - pigeon
pyrrhuloxine - bunting, cardinal
pyrrhuline -bullfinch
sittine - nuthatch
strigine - owl
struthine - ostrich, emu, rhea
sturnine - swallow, starling
sylvicoline - warbler
tetraonine - grouse
trigine - sandpiper
trochiline - hummingbird
troglodytine - wren
turdine - bluebird, robin, thrush
vulturine - vulture

 

[Alien826]

This is the kind of sexism in action that leads some men to think they should be controlling their wives 'for their own good.' Because they 'know better' than their "sweet," "hysterical," "blank-minded" and "ding bat" wives and literally these men think they're protecting her from her own "naive nature."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/psychology/benevolent-sexism

This reminds me of "This hurts me more than it hurts you" when physically punishing children. An appropriate response might be "OK, so how about if I hit you instead. That would have the same result, no?"

 

[fantome profane]

Maybe she shouldn't stay with a man who is so controlling.

That is what people always say about women in bad relationships. Why do they stay?

I don't know the answer to that question. I don't know what it is like to be a woman in a bad relationship so I can't understand. And because I can't understand I don't judge or condemn.

 

[Wirey]

That is what people always say about women in bad relationships. Why do they stay?

I don't know the answer to that question. I don't know what it is like to be a woman in a bad relationship so I can't understand. And because I can't understand I don't judge or condemn.

Ditto. My little sister is in a plane crash of a relationship, is aware of it, and continues. If I live to be a million I'll never understand it.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Trump, by being an alpha male is being proactive and will make provision to protect these females and immigrants from their own naive nature.

Too many Lefty women can be manipulated by fake new with lies. They vote on the emotions that are induced, and become oblivious to the rational needs of all, going forward.

This is why the Bible has the male leading the female, since the female can become linear; only abortion matters. This adds up to 99% of the people left with the crap end of the economic stick, so the hysterical1% can have abortions; ding bat heaven. Men need to step in an make right, which bothers the 1%. Trump will protect the bing bats on the Left from their over trusting nature.

And here is why we still need ads about how it is okay for wives to secretly vote for someone other than who their husband expects them to vote for.

 

[metis]

The full context of that statement addresses those women who, for some reason, blank mindedly think illegal immigration is the same as legal immigration.

Is this what the Fox Propaganda Channel told you? If not, then you just made the above nonsense up.