Wondering About Different Religions

[allfoak]

Yes, but whom else to blame if it is his doing?

It is what the blame does to you that is the issue.
If my goal is to be one with what is good, then i would think harboring any kind of blame for any reason, would hinder that connection from happening.

 

[allfoak]

@Spockrates

Our lives are created through what we think.
Meaning, you can only act on what you know.
You can't be a neurologist until you experience everything necessary to become a neurologist.
When you have experienced everything necessary, you will begin to act like a neurologist.
All of this time that you are experiencing what it means to be a neurologist, you are thinking that you want to be a neurologist.
This process of thinking and acting on what we are thinking, is how we become who we are.

If you want a peaceful life, then create a peaceful life.

I am thinking i might want to take on your case.
I will forgo the nickle, since i think this case is unique and will present a unique challenge for me.
If you are still interested of course.

 

[Aupmanyav]

It is what the blame does to you that is the issue. If my goal is to be one with what is good, then i would think harboring any kind of blame for any reason, would hinder that connection from happening.

Personally, it is no issue with me. I am an atheist, a non-believer.

 

[allfoak]

Personally, it is no issue with me. I am an atheist, a non-believer.

How is it then that you blame a God that does not exist?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Because theists consider him to be the first cause. Why did he not do better.

 

[allfoak]

Because theists consider him to be the first cause. Why did he not do better.

Pardon me but this makes no sense.

You are an atheist.

 

[Spockrates]

Yes, but whom else to blame if it is his doing?

Yes, I think it's fair to blame God, whoever or whatever God is, if God exists. But let's say for the sake of argument God does exist. Is there a better alternative to the human condition than the way it is now?

 

[Aupmanyav]

The other option is to ascribe creation to nature and no one to blame other than ourselves.

 

[Spockrates]

@Spockrates

Our lives are created through what we think.
Meaning, you can only act on what you know.
You can't be a neurologist until you experience everything necessary to become a neurologist.
When you have experienced everything necessary, you will begin to act like a neurologist.
All of this time that you are experiencing what it means to be a neurologist, you are thinking that you want to be a neurologist.
This process of thinking and acting on what we are thinking, is how we become who we are.

If you want a peaceful life, then create a peaceful life.

I am thinking i might want to take on your case.
I will forgo the nickle, since i think this case is unique and will present a unique challenge for me.
If you are still interested of course.

Yes, I'm interested. Please continue.

 

[Spockrates]

The other option is to ascribe creation to nature and no one to blame other than ourselves.

OK. But let's suspend disbelief, if only for a moment. Maybe consider the question this way: If you were God, how would you make people differently than the way they are?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Perhaps the emotion of hate can be removed from brain, now that I am God as per your wishes (Actually I am Brahman though not a God). It should be a damn simple thing for a God.

 

[allfoak]

The other option is to ascribe creation to nature and no one to blame other than ourselves.

I like that option.

 

[Spockrates]

Perhaps the emotion of hate can be removed from brain, now that I am God as per your wishes (Actually I am Brahman though not a God). It should be a damn simple thing for a God.

Indeed, how wonderful that would be to see! No one could choose to hate, for there would be no hate to choose! But please tell me: Would love exist if you made us so?

 

[Aupmanyav]

I would not be worried about that if hate is not there. At least there will be peace on Earth. Perhaps there will be love all around as God is supposed to have wished but did not ensure. There will be no thought of my, mine, yours, his, etc.

"Ayam nijah paroveti ganānām laghuchetasām, udāracharitānam tu vasudhaiva kutumbakam."
(Me, mine, not mine, people with limited thinking say that, for the large-hearted, the whole world is their family)

 

[allfoak]

Yes, I'm interested. Please continue.

Very well then sir:
Let us have a look a that mind of yours, shall we?

I wonder what it is that you ate for breakfast... hmm?

This thing you have about wanting to know something of others religious beliefs.. have you had it long?
Socrates would be ashamed of you if you were running around asking questions for no good reason other than to show that you can ask smart questions.. now wouldn't he?

So how about you open up that mind of yours just a little bit and tell us what you think forgiveness is to you.
After all, you owe us something after all of the questions that these good people have answered for you, don't you think?
If it is true that you hold contradictory views on forgiveness then i would like to know what they are so that i can help you to untangle them.
I am very good at things like that but can do nothing for anyone if they are unwilling to share some of who they are.

 

[Spockrates]

I would not be worried about that if hate is not there. At least there will be peace on Earth. Perhaps there will be love all around as God is supposed to have wished. There will be no thought of my, mine, yours, his, etc.

Yes, that's logical. Hatred and all of its effects are a great evil. If the choice to love must be sacrificed to eradicate hate, then that's a sacrifice one may reasonably make.

So we are left with human beings who have no freedom to choose to love, since they have no freedom to choose to hate. They simply do whatever you make them do, and you make them all get along. Are these the kinds of people you'd like to make?

 

[allfoak]

"Ayam nijah paroveti ganānām laghuchetasām, udāracharitānam tu vasudhaiva kutumbakam."
(Me, mine, not mine, people with limited thinking say that, for the large-hearted, the whole world is their family)

Balance is not always a beautiful thing.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Are these the kinds of people you'd like to make?

I see no harm. If there is a famine in Africa, India helps. There is food, shelter, fun, drinks, sea, mountains, grassy expanses - basically heaven on Earth.

 

[Spockrates]

I see no harm. If there is a famine in Africa, India helps. There is food, shelter, fun, drinks, sea, mountains, grassy expanses - basically heaven on Earth.

Perhaps you are right. So I find it fascinating that I've been watching old episodes of the X-Files on Netflix, and an episode I watched last night is so applicable to our discussion this morning.

The TV show is about FBI agents who are assigned cases dealing with the paranormal. In this episode from season 7, FBI agent Fox Mulder frees a Jinni, who grants him three wishes. Now everyone who gets this opportunity ends up dead, as their 3rd wish ends up killing them.

So Fox says, "I know what the problem is: Everyone who makes wishes is selfish. The trick is to make a truly altruistic wish."

"So what are you going to wish for," she asks.

"World peace," he says. Then after a pause he adds, "You can't do it! Can you?"

The jinni makes a sly smile and says, "Done."

It turns out she made all of the people in the world disappear, because that's the only logical way to ensure peace. Sooner or later everyone disagrees with someone somewhere. To be at odds with one another is, it seems, is a necessary consequence of who we are.

But your idea of making us what we aren't is worth seriously considering, I think.

 

[allfoak]

But your idea of making us what we aren't is worth seriously considering, I think.