World Crisis and The Pathway to Peace

[URAVIP2ME]

In your opinion of the quoted bible passages.
But I see Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah clearly foretold in those same texts. Understanding that the 1260 of Revelation, is also the 1260 and 1844 foretold of by Daniel was a remarkable thing to find out.
Peace be upon you always.

....and Peace be upon you always as per Numbers 6:24-26.
Agree that what Daniel foretold is in harmony with Revelation.
The word revelation means a revealing, so the Bible's Revelation is a revealing about the future.
We are all invited to pray the invitation found at Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come !
Come and fulfill God's promise to father Abraham found at Genesis 12:3 and Genesis 22:18.
The promise that ALL families of Earth will be blessed. The promise that ALL nations of Earth will be blessed.
Blessed with the benefits of Revelation 22:2 that there will be coming 'healing' for earth's nations.
To me that means it is Jesus to be the one who will usher in global Peace on Earth for persons of goodwill.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

....and Peace be upon you always as per Numbers 6:24-26.
Agree that what Daniel foretold is in harmony with Revelation.
The word revelation means a revealing, so the Bible's Revelation is a revealing about the future.
We are all invited to pray the invitation found at Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come !
Come and fulfill God's promise to father Abraham found at Genesis 12:3 and Genesis 22:18.
The promise that ALL families of Earth will be blessed. The promise that ALL nations of Earth will be blessed.
Blessed with the benefits of Revelation 22:2 that there will be coming 'healing' for earth's nations.
To me that means it is Jesus to be the one who will usher in global Peace on Earth for persons of goodwill.

I can say no more but to say many people of many Faiths await a great day and we have been given the bounty ro live in it.

I have read along the lines, "If we are not happy and joyous at this season, for what other season shall we wait and for what other time shall we look?"

Peace to all.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

You have no idea what power projection is. Being in Iraq and Afghanistan demonstrates power projection.

I know exactly what power projection is. Iraq and Afghanistan are indeed examples of it. But "power projection" wasn't the point, the point was the ability to fight a conventional globalised war. Just because the US has the power to deploy and support forces in Iraq and Afghanistan does not equate to war fighting power on a global scale, as per your claim here: https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/world-crisis-and-the-pathway-to-peace.210879/#post-5709208

The US was crippled by counter productive RoE and a weak population that can not stomach war. This happened with 2 of 3 invasions.

Make whatever excuses you like. It still means the US could not fight a conventional war on a global scale, as things stand.

 

[oldbadger]

Sure, do you believe that people who have gay marriage should be excommunicated from the Jamaat, ..............................

I thought that Bahais who have gay marriage or relationships may not serve on any Local, National or World Bahai 'Court'?

Bahai seems quite fundamentalist to me, in its own ways.

 

[oldbadger]

First of all, Ahmadis need not be 100% to have the power to make law, there could still be a sizeable minority of non-Ahmadis.

.......... Bahai looks a bit like that to me. A country where a majority is Bahai could become a Bahai theocracy..... true?

Secondly one may always criticise a law of the land if they feel it to be unjust, so the question remains why is 100 lashes for adultery unjust.

Cotporal punishment seems very nasty, But Bahai believes in Capital punishment, true?
In a Bahai controlled country, or a Bahai World, the National or World House of Justice could possibly decide that the Bab's proposals that Bahai could turn non-Bahais out of their homes, or even their cities is just......... and action it. True?

 

[oldbadger]

From the Ahmadiyya website https://www.alislam.org/quran/5:33
"The reward of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to create disorder in the land is only this that they be slain or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on alternate sides, or they be expelled from the land... Except those who repent before you have them in your power."
I couldn't find an Ahmadi exposition for this verse, but according to their own website this verse reads that acceptable punishments include crucifixion, and cutting of the hand and foot on opposite sides.
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Glasshouses. Stones. Living within. Throwing. !!!!! ????

It is ordained in the Babi Shariah that any one who hurts the feelings of the Bab, or his successors after him, was to be killed; and for bringing about his death every possible means could be adopted.
(Ref: Al-Bayan, Bab 15, Wahid 6)

If adopted in a Bahai World, things might look very bad for non-Bahais. True?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Glasshouses. Stones. Living within. Throwing. !!!!! ????

It is ordained in the Babi Shariah that any one who hurts the feelings of the Bab, or his successors after him, was to be killed; and for bringing about his death every possible means could be adopted.
(Ref: Al-Bayan, Bab 15, Wahid 6)

If adopted in a Bahai World, things might look very bad for non-Bahais. True?

From outside this conversation I know what you posted in not accurate reflection of what is in the Baha'i Writings.

I have read many of them. I have also read a few posts in quite a long thread I found on this forum in my research, where I found this was explained in detail and it may be you that it was explained to.

Peace be upon you

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I thought that Bahais who have gay marriage or relationships may not serve on any Local, National or World Bahai 'Court'?

Bahai seems quite fundamentalist to me, in its own ways.

I agree there is Fundamental Laws in all Faiths. I think what I see different with Baha'i, is that it appears all Fundamental teaching and practices, to date, come from an authorised line of interpretaion back to the Prophet of the Baha'i Faith.

That appears unique to me.

I was interested why Daniel made the statement he did, given what I have read about Baha'i Law.

Thus that was an appropriate question to ask.

I see you are passionate in your views might make for interesting talks ahead.

Peace be upon you Oldbadger

 

[danieldemol]

I thought that Bahais who have gay marriage or relationships may not serve on any Local, National or World Bahai 'Court'?

Bahai seems quite fundamentalist to me, in its own ways.

And I oppose that because I oppose all fundamentalism see post #3

 

[danieldemol]

.......... Bahai looks a bit like that to me. A country where a majority is Bahai could become a Bahai theocracy..... true?

True, Baha’i theocracy would not be better

Cotporal punishment seems very nasty, But Bahai believes in Capital punishment, true?

It is allowable, however a person may serve life imprisonment instead.
As a liberal I do not consider capital punishment acceptable.

In a Bahai controlled country, or a Bahai World, the National or World House of Justice could possibly decide that the Bab's proposals that Bahai could turn non-Bahais out of their homes, or even their cities is just......... and action it. True?

False with a capital F, the Baha’i Shariah supersedes the Babi Shariah, thus actioning Babi Shariah would be contrary to the fundamental Shariah of the Baha’i faith

 

[danieldemol]

https://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=621&region=E1&CR=

Regards

From the link you quoted on the next page here https://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=622&region=E1

"Taken in its apparent sense, the verse lays down the different forms of punishment that may be meted out to those who wage war against innocent Muslims..."

So my point about crucifixion or maiming of POWs that are non-repentant being allowable stands according to the Ahmadi exegis of the Quran

 

[Neuropteron]

The world is passing through very turbulent times. The global economic crisis continues to manifest newer and graver dangers almost every week. The similarities to the period just before the Second World War continue to be cited and it seems clear that events are moving the world at an unprecedented pace towards a horrific Third World War.

Does one agree to it,please?

Regards

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The fact that we are experiencing turbulent times is in harmony bith Bible prophecy.

In the last days critical times hard (or fierce) will be here. (2 Tim 3:1)

 

[Shad]

I know exactly what power projection is. Iraq and Afghanistan are indeed examples of it. But "power projection" wasn't the point, the point was the ability to fight a conventional globalised war.

I was talking about the US being the only power which can wage a global war. The success is irrelevant. Also you forget that the USA did defeat the conventional forces with little issue. Insugency does nothing to stop a US battle-group from parking off a coast and bombing a city

Just because the US has the power to deploy and support forces in Iraq and Afghanistan does not equate to war fighting power on a global scale, as per your claim here: https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/world-crisis-and-the-pathway-to-peace.210879/#post-5709208

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/world-crisis-and-the-pathway-to-peace.210879/#post-5709208

Actually it does as a demonstrate the ability, the logistics and the equipment with a peace footing stance let alone a full war stance. A stance not seen since WW2

Make whatever excuses you like. It still means the US could not fight a conventional war on a global scale, as things stand.

Pure nonsense based on your ignorance. First off the conventional wars were overwhelming successes. Both Iraq and Afghanistan's military was crippled within days. Surrender followed shortly after. You are confusing an occupation with a war. Perhaps get a dictionary to help you figure out the difference between the two. The occupation was a failure as the US refused to use tactics of the IDF which work. A global war does not require occupation of nations only key areas to maintain supply and communication. Leaving areas in control of the enemy is a valid tactic. See North Italy, Greece and Paris of WW2. None were required to win the war. You can confusing a war with the goals after the war. That isn't the same thing. Again. Dictionary.

The US can easily cripple various nations with targeted strikes requiring no major invasion. Heck some nations are primed to the point if enough of the military leadership and key assets are removed internal strife can provide the force to bog down ground forces as per Libya.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I was talking about the US being the only power which can wage a global war. The success is irrelevant.

And that's where I stopped reading. If "success" is not a requirement, anyone can fight a global war. You've goal post shifted yourself into ridiculousness. I was in the Army for 10 years. I was involved in war planning and operational planning (albeit at a low level) I have some idea of what I'm talking about.

 

[12jtartar]

The world is passing through very turbulent times. The global economic crisis continues to manifest newer and graver dangers almost every week. The similarities to the period just before the Second World War continue to be cited and it seems clear that events are moving the world at an unprecedented pace towards a horrific Third World War.

Does one agree to it,please?

Regards

parrasurrey,
It does seem that we are on a direct line to WW3, but WW3 most likely will not happen. The reason?? The Almighty God is controlling things now, I believe, and there are too many worshippers of the true God, for Him to allow a World War. There will be many wars all over the world. There are, in fact about two dozen wars going on all the time. These wars are so commonplace now that they are hardly even reported by the big networks. Do you know that Matthew chapter 24, Mark, chapter 13, and Luke, chapter 21 mentions many of the terrible conditions that would be happening, during this generation, which is the generation that will see the second coming of the lord Jesus. Jesus mentioned all the things happening NOW, as the sign to watch for, just before he returns.
The problem is, when Jesus comes it will be time for him to Judge the earth’s inhabitants. It seems that, only the ones who are obeying the things that Jesus taught, will survive, 2Thessalonians 1:6-10, John 20:30,31, Acts 4:12, 1Peter 2:21.
If a person looks into the things that Jesus gave as a sign that he would return shortly, not only are all the things apparent, but are apparent on an unprecedented scale, so that is is easy to recognize. If we are wise we will not wait any longer!!! Agape!!!

 

[oldbadger]

From outside this conversation I know what you posted in not accurate reflection of what is in the Baha'i Writings.

I have read many of them. I have also read a few posts in quite a long thread I found on this forum in my research, where I found this was explained in detail and it may be you that it was explained to.

Peace be upon you

I think you just need to intensify your studies more deeply.

Peace to you

 

[oldbadger]

I agree there is Fundamental Laws in all Faiths. I think what I see different with Baha'i, is that it appears all Fundamental teaching and practices, to date, come from an authorised line of interpretaion back to the Prophet of the Baha'i Faith.

That appears unique to me.

I was interested why Daniel made the statement he did, given what I have read about Baha'i Law.

Thus that was an appropriate question to ask.

I see you are passionate in your views might make for interesting talks ahead.

Peace be upon you Oldbadger

The writings go back further than the prophet of the Bahai Faith, they go back to the prophet of the babi religion starting in 1844, which the Bahais claim to be the initial year .........

 

[oldbadger]

And I oppose that because I oppose all fundamentalism see post #3

Cool.......
Good........

 

[oldbadger]

True, Baha’i theocracy would not be better


It is allowable, however a person may serve life imprisonment instead.
As a liberal I do not consider capital punishment acceptable.

Cool......
Yep.....

False with a capital F, the Baha’i Shariah supersedes the Babi Shariah, thus actioning Babi Shariah would be contrary to the fundamental Shariah of the Baha’i faith

The Bahai Shariah includes much of the Babi Shariah, and a Universal House of Justice could draw upon more Babi laws if it might decide to.

To accept some Babi Shariah while rejecting other Shariah (without clear written judgement from Bahauallah) just looks like the cherry-picking of the OT laws that extremist right-wing Christian groups do. Worrying.........

 

[Shad]

And that's where I stopped reading. If "success" is not a requirement, anyone can fight a global war.

Nope as it based on capability.

You've goal post shifted yourself into ridiculousness.

Nope. You speculated, confused occupations with wars and ignored how successful the conventional war was.

I was in the Army for 10 years. I was involved in war planning and operational planning (albeit at a low level) I have some idea of what I'm talking about.

You experience in low ops means nothing when you confuse an occupation with a war.