World Peace is Possible and Will Happen

[wizanda]

If, however, he persisteth in his error, God will, assuredly, send down one who will deal mercilessly with him.

The world has already been deceived, and it needs fixing, else we will end up fighting each other over religious differences.

Kitáb-i-Aqdas 37 warns that if corruption comes, then God will send someone, and in 84 it says the person will have the name of the city (Zion), and they will establish the goals of the Baha'i...

Where I believe it says the Baha'i should help the person sent; not argue with them repeatedly that it says the next messenger is in one thousand years.

We haven't got one thousand years left, with the way humans are treating the planet.

In my opinion.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The world has already been deceived, and it needs fixing, else we will end up fighting each other over religious differences.

Kitáb-i-Aqdas 37 warns that if corruption comes, then God will send someone, and in 84 it says the person will have the name of the city (Zion), and they will establish the goals of the Baha'i...

Where I believe it says the Baha'i should help the person sent; not argue with them repeatedly that it says the next messenger is in one thousand years.

We haven't got one thousand years left, with the way humans are treating the planet.

In my opinion.

You are not a ruler wizanda, who has risen up to aid the cause of Bahá’u’lláh.

Your apparent claim to be talking in the same station of Baha'u'llah, is false.
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Regards Tony

 

[wizanda]

You are not a ruler wizanda, who has risen up to aid the cause of Bahá’u’lláh.

Your apparent claim to be talking in the same station of Baha'u'llah, is false.

Unless of course you're wrong, and God did appoint me before the Great Tribulation; so instead of the ideas in Baha'i, that we can unite the world's religions being prove true, you're going to answer for all of them, and say it is false.

As for being a King Zeus was called Zan, the King of Shambhala is Suchandra, and I've been called Adoni Melchizedek by a Red Robin (angel) prior to knowing what it meant...

Plus if you go through the rest of the list I've correlated showing our name referenced in the world's religious texts; I was told at 4-5 years old by God, that our name is sacred in the world's religion, and through study can be shown to be what is referenced in Revelation 19:12; where it is the last (Z) And (A) first letter in the English alphabet, as well as the name for the King over the reality in quite a few religions i.e King of Kings.

In my opinion.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Unless of course you're wrong, and God did appoint me before the Great Tribulation; so instead of the ideas in Baha'i, that we can unite the world's religions being prove true, you're going to answer for all of them, and say it is false.

It is what Baha'u'llah offered that one needs to consider wizanda.

I do not see wizanda as a path to unity, but as one soul who can embace that unity. You were too young to understand that the inspiration comes from Baha'u'llah and not from one's own self.

Regards Tony

 

[ppp]

It is what Baha'u'llah offered that one needs to consider wizanda

B and Wizanda offer the same quality of evidence.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

B and Wizanda offer the same quality of evidence.

Pure and utter rubbish, plain and simple.

Regards Tony

 

[ppp]

Pure and utter rubbish, plain and simple.

It it were "pure and utter rubbish" then there would be some significant distinguishing factor between the claims of the two humans. There isn't. Your post is no different from a Victorian petty noble harrumphing and saying "Balderdash!"

 

[TransmutingSoul]

It it were "pure and utter rubbish" then there would be some significant distinguishing factor between the claims of the two humans. There isn't. Your post is no different from a Victorian petty noble harrumphing and saying "Balderdash!"

The ignorance of that statement is more than astounding, it is deliberate ignorance. There will be no peace in this world while such choices are made.

There is absolutely no point in repling to you again, so this is a definite goodbye.

All the best in your path to truth. Regards Tony

 

[ppp]

The ignorance of that statement is more than astounding, it is deliberate ignorance. There will be no peace in this world while such choices are made.

There is absolutely no point in repling to you again, so this is a definite goodbye.

All the best in your path to truth. Regards Tony

Yes. Yes. Hollow denials then storming off in a huff vowing to never, ever speak to me again. Again.

If being challenged bothers you, then perhaps a place that is inherently about being challenged is not the best place to place yourself.

 

[wizanda]

harrumphing and saying "Balderdash!"

Having gone to Melton-Mowbray cattle Market, and examined how it sounded like Parliament; I try not to sound like a Punch & Judy show - Which is where I've had to walk off numerous times in our conversations, when you've made attempts to play the role of the Crocodile in the show.

There is an element of one party, not truly examining the case of the other party; like I don't mind being interactive & dynamic, as I like to be able to understand the show is controlled by the strings, and someone is operating them.

In my opinion.

 

[wizanda]

You were too young to understand that the inspiration comes from Baha'u'llah and not from one's own self.

I remember from before the Big Bhang & have had visions of the end of time; which is part of where I feel i might be titled, Last (Z) and (A) First.

Baha'U'llah is only a part of Source; like imagine in Heaven we have the Knights of the Round Table, the very core of that Table made of pure energy, is God Most High, the ultimate Source of our reality.

The very focal point of Sufi style poetic spiritual writings, is to recognize it isn't us that exists, yet we are all part of God.

I get some of Baha'U'llah's teachings, and appreciate him trying to correct some of the theological mis-comprehensions about the Divine Council; yet it is clear mankind still doesn't accept these ideas universally, and so soon will fight each other over it in the Middle-East (Armageddon).

I do not see wizanda as a path to unity, but as one soul who can embace that unity.

Lets look at the case files:

I believe my name can be shown to correlate the world's religions including Baha'i, proving that statement in Kitáb-i-Aqdas 84 is prophetic; as it accurately recited the name of the Messiah who'd bring in the promise of the Messianic Age, is the one with the name of the City of God (Zion/Zan).

Do you not see you're sort of helping us feel it is inevitably impossible creating Oneness amongst mankind?

Like I question others beliefs in detail; yet they get so set on a course, they don't seem to notice they're overriding their own principles.

Thus whereas I'm saying we're coming to the Great Tribulation; if people listened properly, and helped support our cause to unite the world's religions, then we can fix these issues between us - You don't see that as creating your version of Unity; even though it could prevent WW3?

In my opinion.

 

[CG Didymus]

B and Wizanda offer the same quality of evidence.

Lots of people claim to be "The One". How do we know which guy is telling us the truth? We look at the evidence.

The ignorance of that statement is more than astounding,

Yes, from what you know to be true, we are all ignorant fools. How does that help unite anybody? It is still saying your religion is The Truth, and we are lost and confused and too blind to see it. But are we? Are we too blind or is the evidence too weak or too vague to be convincing?

Thus whereas I'm saying we're coming to the Great Tribulation; if people listened properly, and helped support our cause to unite the world's religions,

And that's one thing I've asked the Baha'is... Does the Great Tribulation happen before or after the Promised Messiah comes? Does the Messiah come and establish peace or gets rejected, dies, and then wars and rumors of wars and all sorts of catastrophes happen?

It's been almost 40 years since the Baha'is put out their peace statement... Does anyone know or care about it? It's supposedly from God, by way of Baha'u'llah, Abdul Baha, Shoghi Effendi and now the Universal House of Justice of the Baha'i Faith. I don't even hear Baha'is pushing it and talking it up. Yet, it is supposed to be what the world needs to do to bring peace and unity to the people of the world.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

It's been almost 40 years since the Baha'is put out their peace statement... Does anyone know or care about it? It's supposedly from God, by way of Baha'u'llah, Abdul Baha, Shoghi Effendi and now the Universal House of Justice of the Baha'i Faith. I don't even hear Baha'is pushing it and talking it up. Yet, it is supposed to be what the world needs to do to bring peace and unity to the people of the world.

It's your choices that count in your journey CG, not what others have done.

Baha'u'llah envisaged a day such as today when the number of Baha'i seemed insignificant, and that the clamouring of the multitudes would be faced.

Then you say you do not see Baha'i bringing it up, really? Would you like links to the threads started on such a topic just on this one Forum?

After one brings it up and no one listens, what the next charge against a Baha'i if they try to bring that up again.....yes the infamous proselytizing charges.

Damned if you do, Damned if you do not. Which is something others need to address. Personally I will still keep posting Love, Peace and Unity and how we have been advised that goal can be achieved.

This is one example from Baha'u'llah CG.

"... By the righteousness of God! Whoso openeth his lips in this Day and maketh mention of the name of his Lord, the hosts of Divine inspiration shall descend upon him from the heaven of My name, the All-Knowing, the All-Wise. On him shall also descend the Concourse on high, each bearing aloft a chalice of pure light. Thus hath it been foreordained in the realm of God’s Revelation, by the behest of Him Who is the All-Glorious, the Most Powerful.
There lay concealed within the Holy Veil, and prepared for the service of God, a company of His chosen ones who shall be manifested unto men, who shall aid His Cause, who shall be afraid of no one, though the entire human race rise up and war against them. These are the ones who, before the gaze of the dwellers on earth and the denizens of heaven, shall arise and, shouting aloud, acclaim the name of the Almighty, and summon the children of men to the path of God, the All-Glorious, the All-Praised. Walk thou in their way, and let no one dismay thee. Be of them whom the tumult of the world, however much it may agitate them in the path of their Creator, can never sadden, whose purpose the blame of the blamer will never defeat.
Go forth with the Tablet of God and His signs, and rejoin them that have believed in Me, and announce unto them tidings of Our most holy Paradise. Warn, then, those that have joined partners with Him. Say: I am come to you, O people, from the Throne of glory, and bear you an announcement from God, the Most Powerful, the Most Exalted, the Most Great. In mine hand I carry the testimony of God, your Lord and the Lord of your sires of old. Weigh it with the just Balance that ye possess, the Balance of the testimony of the Prophets and Messengers of God. If ye find it to be established in truth, if ye believe it to be of God, beware, then, lest ye cavil at it, and render your works vain, and be numbered with the infidels. It is indeed the sign of God that hath been sent down through the power of truth, through which the validity of His Cause hath been demonstrated unto His creatures, and the ensigns of purity lifted up betwixt earth and heaven...."

Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh | Bahá’í Reference Library

Who am I to turn away from such a gift?

Regards Tony

 

[wizanda]

Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh | Bahá’í Reference Library

Who am I to turn away from such a gift?

Having read all the Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh I don't find it saying world peace will be achieved by accepting Baha'u'llah; it happens at Judgement Day according to that, where God cleanses here.

Does the Great Tribulation happen before or after the Promised Messiah comes?

Though Baha'u'llah is placing himself in his witting as the return of the Messiah, who will bring peace if everyone accepted his teachings; he is already declaring in his writings, that people will not all accept him - then the Great Tribulation comes, and Judgement Day Fire, where after we come to the Messianic Age...

Where Baha'u'llah is implying those who've accepted him (as God incarnate), will then be brought through into that peaceful age to come...

That same cult mentality was taught by Christians about Christ, and Muhammadans about Muhammad; which clearly doesn't lead us all to peace, as it actually causes more divisional thinking.

Does the Messiah come and establish peace or gets rejected, dies, and then wars and rumors of wars and all sorts of catastrophes happen?

For us to assess what the Messiah does, we have to go back to Biblically exegeting what was stated there...

Before assessing Baha'u'llah's own ideas; which have to be view independently, when we assess what the Messiah's first precedents are.

According to the Bible, the Messiah first comes as a warning before the 2nd temple destruction & diaspora (Daniel 9:26, Zechariah 11:1-14, etc); next the Messiah comes prior/during the time when the sun & moon (in Orion) are darkened, and the stars (meteors) fall from the sky (Matthew 24:29-35, Mark 24-31, Luke 21:25-33).

World peace in the Bible comes as God resurrects the Enlightened Saints into the world to come; people who make a man to be the cause of world peace, have created idols.

It's been almost 40 years since the Baha'is put out their peace statement... Does anyone know or care about it?

Baha'i care about it; yet it doesn't actually align with prophecy, and so it won't come to fruition of creating world peace, as it doesn't actually fix the previous theological errors between the religions - it makes them worse.

In my opinion.

 

[CG Didymus]

Baha'u'llah envisaged a day such as today when the number of Baha'i seemed insignificant, and that the clamouring of the multitudes would be faced.

Back 50 years ago, Baha'i were pushing for mass teaching and expected "entry by troops". Where does that fit in? Is it still something that Baha'is think will soon happen? Which, when it does happen, will no longer mean the Baha'i Faith will be insignificant.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Back 50 years ago, Baha'i were pushing for mass teaching and expected "entry by troops". Where does that fit in? Is it still something that Baha'is think will soon happen? Which, when it does happen, will no longer mean the Baha'i Faith will be insignificant.

II may be that it wil not be until a world changing event takes place.

I do not see many people wish to change.

Regards Tony

 

[muhammad_isa]

II may be that it wil not be until a world changing event takes place.

I do not see many people wish to change.

Regards Tony

Mankind want their cake and eat it .. it's only the minority that are prepared to make the sacrifices for truth and faith..

i.e. wish for your brother that which you wish for yourself

 

[loverofhumanity]

Mankind want their cake and eat it .. it's only the minority that are prepared to make the sacrifices for truth and faith..

i.e. wish for your brother that which you wish for yourself

God is All Knowing and All Wise. He, out of His Mercy, sends us Messengers ‘offering’ solutions to our problems at the expense of untold suffering to His Messenger. But it is then up to us if we choose what a wise God has recommended or go our own way. So we as a race have already had two world wars yet still most remain passive bystanders when it comes to peace. Beyond verbally agreeing peace is good, most are not actively engaged in establishing peace. You can’t get anything without working hard for it and the same with peace. Just agreeing peace is good achieves nothing.

 

[CG Didymus]

God is All Knowing and All Wise. He, out of His Mercy, sends us Messengers ‘offering’ solutions to our problems at the expense of untold suffering to His Messenger. But it is then up to us if we choose what a wise God has recommended or go our own way. So we as a race have already had two world wars yet still most remain passive bystanders when it comes to peace. Beyond verbally agreeing peace is good, most are not actively engaged in establishing peace. You can’t get anything without working hard for it and the same with peace. Just agreeing peace is good achieves nothing.

Yeah, so tell us the plan. What are Baha'is doing and what should the rest of the people be doing? Rebel against those evil leaders that are ruining the planet? No, Baha'is say to obey the government. But sometimes people have had to resort to fighting to bring about change. In the U.S., the Revolutionary War and the Civil War. Even "peaceful" protests have led to fighting. But do Baha'is even support these peaceful protests?

Like I mentioned, what happen to "entry by troops"? Where the population of Baha'is becomes large enough to have more of an impact on society? But this thread is about the Peace Plan, what does it say? Will those things it says actually work?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Yeah, so tell us the plan. What are Baha'is doing and what should the rest of the people be doing? Rebel against those evil leaders that are ruining the planet? No, Baha'is say to obey the government. But sometimes people have had to resort to fighting to bring about change. In the U.S., the Revolutionary War and the Civil War. Even "peaceful" protests have led to fighting. But do Baha'is even support these peaceful protests?

Like I mentioned, what happen to "entry by troops"? Where the population of Baha'is becomes large enough to have more of an impact on society? But this thread is about the Peace Plan, what does it say? Will those things it says actually work?

This is what the teaching say about being at peace for an Baha'i

Let nothing grieve thee, and be thou angered at none. It behoveth thee to be content with the Will of God, and a true and loving and trusted friend to all the peoples of the earth, without any exceptions whatever. This is the quality of the sincere, the way of the saints, the emblem of those who believe in the unity of God … – Abdu’l-Baha, Selections from the Writings of Abdu’l-Baha, p. 25.