I think he is wonderful.
I guess that many people forget one thing when they talk about these issues: numbers.
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World population and the gumball example, by Roy Beck
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I think he is wonderful.
I guess that many people forget one thing when they talk about these issues: numbers.
Just for my knowledge is anyone actually saying that immigration to wealthy nations is the solution to world poverty?
Also regarding his statement that these people need to be helped in their own countries, what do right wing/anti-immigration governments actually intend to do for these people in their own countries, because if the answer is nothing then you are not going to benefit those countries by voting in a set of right wing elites who i believe will impoverish the wealthy countries for self gain.
In my opinion.
Honestly I believe that neither the right wing nor the left wing have the solution to these issues.
The solution is to create investments through a massive Marshall-like plan in those countries.
As for Africa, to stop the Seigniorage Banking of the CFA Franc and to create national currencies, that are based upon the gold standard.
And yes, the Africa is rich in gold, uranium and gemstones. So they can afford it: that gold belongs to those African nations. It doesn't belong to Westerner exploiters. Exploiters who have to give back what they have been stealing.
As for Asia, it's a bit more complicated, but the truth is that there are two big industrial powers which are growing, India and China.
As for Latin America, the solution is very simple: free these countries from the IMF tyranny.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Roy Beck is literally a white Nationalist.
I disagree, the fellow in the clip pointed out that the problem is these countries will add an additional 80 gumballs (80million impoverished persons) per year.
The left promotes public education and family planning which directly reduce the number of gumballs being added to the world, whilst I believe the right wants to reduce wages paid to the labour class (ie the gumballs slaving for less than $2 a day), slash public education and malign the family planners as baby killers.
So I'm afraid to see them as equivalently useless is to be blind in my opinion to the lefts direct attempts at tackling the root of the problem (more gumballs being added), and also to be blind to what the right does to exacerbate the problem.
In my opinion.
Regrettably that's a selling point with some people on the far right.
In my opinion.
What changes?
He is still right.
I am not speaking of Western countries' politics.
I am saying that the solution to the economic issues of those countries is to force the banking elites to give back what they have been stealing from these countries, for decades. Not to say centuries.
Remove exploitation and seigniorage banking from these countries. Second step: plans of education, healthcare that solve the overpopulation problem.
Third step: democracies that ensure economic equality.
Heyo
Veteran Member
I think he's a xenophobic [redacted].
Heyo
Veteran Member
Just because his numbers add up doesn't make him right.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
You think his position that ethno-states should be a genetic right in no way informs his position on immigration policy?
World population is an issue, surely.
When I was born it was 4 billion people.
Now it's 8 billion. It doubled, basically.
I was shocked, considering my generation is basically childless.
What does it mean? That in those countries, the birth rates are much higher than the death rates. Under normal conditions, the birth rates would be either equivalent or slightly higher than the death rate.
I think Europe is a tiny continent and has a very big population (considering 80 million people in tiny Germany), so there's also a space issue that mass immigration doesn't take into account.
As for citizenship.
In my country, it's a genetic right. It's called jus sanguinis.
For instance, Italo-Americans can claim the Italian citizenship with a DNA test and other documents.
And will get it.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
People deny and refuse to acknowledge the natural balance of life and death in nature.
That includes us as humans.
One way or another, nature will have its balance and its up to us if we want a natural course, or an artificial course on our quest for self preseveration.
The truth is that this is a issue that has existed since the eighties.
What have they done to solve it? Nothing.
The powerful of the world have aggravated this issue.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Actually, no.
Global birth rates have plummeted in the last sixty years. Countries like Mexico (that Beck uses as his example du joir) actually have birth rates that are below replacement levels.
SOURCE: Fertility rate, total (births per woman) - Mexico | Data
In fact, if you look at the stats, birth rates in developing countries have come down dramatically in the last few decades. The biggest contributor to the global population increase currently is not birth rates, but increased life expectancy. The idea that the world is being swamped by poor people over-reproducing is little more than an outdated myth.
How is it a problem for immigration? People take up the same amount of space no matter where they are, and space has never really been an issue, globally.
We can comfortably house, clothe, feed and educate every currently living human and their descendants for the foreseeable future. The issue clearly isn't resources. It's access TO those resources. Beck also conveniently ignores the economic benefits of immigration and pretends they are exclusively a drain on developed nations. They aren't. They are, in no small part, the reason why developed nations are developed to begin with.
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ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Also not true. Global efforts to lower birthrates over the last sixty years have been wildly successful, reducing the global average birth rate per woman from 5.3 in 1963 to 2.3 in 2020.
SOURCE: Fertility rate, total (births per woman) | Data
You haven't mentioned the last step that differentiates the West from those countries. The most important.
Which is: the West has understood that increased life expectancy = decreased death rates.
And they brought reparation, by making less children.
Can I give you an example? You do know how old I am. Few years ago there was a high school reunion with my class. We talked about our families to each other. Do you know how many children have been born from a class of 25 students? Five. Five out of Twenty-Five.
Those countries should do as we do. And don't. Why? @ImmortalFlame
This is nothing compared to what banking dynasties and incredibly rich people can do to solve the economic problems in those countries. I already gave a solution in post #3 and none of you has refuted it yet.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
They do. I just explained that global birth rates, including in developed countries, have fallen dramatically in the last sixty years.
Did you even read my post?
Also, I find it bizarre that you refer to falling birth rates in developed countries as "reparations". As far as I am aware, there is no mandate in western, developed countries to limit how many children we have. This idea is absurd.