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World population and the gumball example, by Roy Beck

danieldemol

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Then what exactly is it you're objecting to? Your point pretty clearly seems to be that in your opinion conservatives and the person in the video are doing something they shouldn't be doing.

I'm just asking you to explain why you think that.
People have the right to do plenty of things they shouldn't do.

For example people have the right to raise strawmen in a pseudo-intellectual attempt to ignore the actual debate on immigration whilst pretending they have addressed it. But pointing out the dishonesty of doing so is not robbing them of the right to do it.

Morally, like I said, this is a pretty subjective issue
All morality is subjective as far as I'm aware.

and it seems like the only way you can make them wrong morally is by making assumptions about their motives, which you've done; "so let's give immigrants that would benefit our society the same freedom and not restrict it on the basis that we don't personally like immigrants".
I disagree, you yourself appear to have provided a moral argument that (unless you are arguing the inability to save everyone means we can't save anyone) we have a moral obligation to save as many as we can afford to. That would be one moral argument *for* immigration which would make the author of the clip in the OP morally wrong.

To me, it sounds like you're disregarding any opposing arguments out of hand
I have addressed your arguments virtually line by line, I dont see that as dismissing them out of hand.

and just writing off anyone with an opinion that differs from yours as a bigot who just "doesn't like immigrants".
One can refute the arguments put forward line by line *and* believe the author of the clip in the OP to be a bigot who doesn't like immigrants.

Here's what a loaded question is:

"A loaded question is a trick question, which presupposes at least one unverified assumption that the person being questioned is likely to disagree with. For example, the question “have you stopped mistreating your pet?” is a loaded question, because it presupposes that you have been mistreating your pet."
what is a loaded question - Google Search
But if a person in a hypothetical scenario actually had been mistreating their pet i wouldn't see it as a loaded question.

In the absence of any public statement from the clip author saying he personally likes immigrants i believe it is reasonable to suspect that he doesn't like immigrants because in practice what he is arguing for would result in the loss of their entitlements and for them to be kept far away from him neither of which are the type of actions consistent with treatment of those one feels affectionate towards

It's all I've been hearing from you.
There's not much I can do for what looks like selective hearing to me.

In my opinion.
 
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