World population and the gumball example, by Roy Beck

[ImmortalFlame]

This is nothing compared to what banking dynasties and incredibly rich people can do to solve the economic problems in those countries. I already gave a solution in post #3 and none of you has refuted it yet.

This has nothing to do with my argument, nor Beck's. Beck is arguing that we should curtail immigration because this will somehow magically improve their country's productivity - something that isn't borne our by logic, facts or reality.

In truth, he just doesn't like non-white people coming into America.

 

[Estro Felino]

In truth, he just doesn't like non-white people coming into America.

Just like the South-Africa natives don't like whites, nowadays.

 

[Estro Felino]

They do. I just explained that global birth rates, including in developed countries, have fallen dramatically in the last sixty years.

Did you even read my post?

Also, I find it bizarre that you refer to falling birth rates in developed countries as "reparations". As far as I am aware, there is no mandate in western, developed countries to limit how many children we have. This idea is absurd.

No...I am sorry. Your explanation doesn't explain the reasons why during my lifetime, the world population has doubled...
On the contrary in Europe the overall population has basically remained the same, Since I was born.

Your reasoning simply doesn't add up.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Just like the South-Africa natives don't like whites, nowadays.

How very odd that you completely change subject.

"This person is an ethno-nationalist."
"But were you aware that OTHER people are ethno-nationalists??"
"... Yes... Yes I was."

 

[ImmortalFlame]

No...I am sorry. Your explanation doesn't explain the reasons why during my lifetime, the world population has doubled...

Yes it does, and I did. This isn't that hard to grasp. People are still overall producing above population levels and global life expectancy has sky-rocketed.

On the contrary in Europe the world population has basically remained the same during my lifetime. Since I was born.

Your reasoning simply doesn't add up.

Yes it does. Do some research. I even provided a source that explains all of this quite clearly. But, if you really want, look up the lecture "Don't Panic" by Hans Rosling on YouTube. It provides a really useful visual explanation of global population dynamics.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes it does, and I did. This isn't that hard to grasp. People are still overall producing above population levels and global life expectancy has sky-rocketed.


Yes it does. Do some research. I even provided a source that explains all of this quite clearly. But, if you really want, look up the lecture "Don't Panic" by Hans Rosling on YouTube. It provides a really useful visual explanation of global population dynamics.

So you are saying that birth rates in Europe are identical to the birth rates in Asia?

 

[Estro Felino]

How very odd that you completely change subject.

"This person is an ethno-nationalist."
"But were you aware that OTHER people are ethno-nationalists??"
"... Yes... Yes I was."

So your point is that they are both wrong. Right?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

So you are saying that birth rates in Europe are identical to the birth rates in Asia?

How, on earth, could you possibly think that's what I'm saying?

Re-read my posts, please.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

So your point is that they are both wrong. Right?

Your keen sense of perception has served you well.

Believe it or not, when I decried someone for being an ethno-nationalist, I was in fact implying that I do not like ethno-nationalism.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

On the contrary in Europe the overall population has basically remained the same, Since I was born.

Also, I would like to address this claim.

Predictably, it's wrong. The population of Europe has increased by almost 200 million over the last seventy years.
SOURCE: Population of Europe 2022 | Statista.

Unless you were born in 2019, the population of Europe has definitely increased in your lifetime.

 

[Estro Felino]

How, on earth, could you possibly think that's what I'm saying?

Re-read my posts, please.

I did understand your point. But this thread is not about overpopulation, so it's useless we waste time on discussing the subject.

It deals with what Roy Beck explained in his speech: that numbers are a big part of the problem and the problem can only be solved by helping those countries.
Because immigration solves absolutely nothing.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I did understand your point. But this thread is not about overpopulation, so it's useless we waste time on discussing the subject.

Then why did you bring it up?

It deals with what Roy Beck explained in his speech: that numbers are a big part of the problem and the problem can only be solved by helping those countries.

That's not his point. His point is that he wants to curtail immigration. He fundamentally does not care about benefiting developing nations.

Because immigration solves absolutely nothing.

Yes it does. It allows people born in certain circumstances to seek greater economic opportunity. It is also an economic benefit.

I support the right for people to move and to seek opportunities where hey wish, and I like immigration to my country (and other developed countries) because it economically benefits us too. It helps nobody to deny people the right to live and work here, especially not when we do so on the basis of race - which is what Beck really wants.

 

[Estro Felino]

Also, I would like to address this claim.

Predictably, it's wrong. The population of Europe has increased by almost 200 million over the last seventy years.
SOURCE: Population of Europe 2022 | Statista.

Unless you were born in 2019, the population of Europe has definitely increased in your lifetime.

I am not 70 years old. I was speaking of my lifetime.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I am not 70 years old. I was speaking of my lifetime.

Europe's population HAS increased in the last 37 years. Pay attention to the last sentence I wrote.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes it does. It allows people born in certain circumstances to seek greater economic opportunity. It is also an economic benefit.

Okay. Let's take 1 billion Africans and let's move them all in Europe. All right?
Obviously all those who want to come.
We go there with charter flights and move them to Europe. Do you agree?

 

[Estro Felino]

Europe's population HAS increased in the last 37 years. Pay attention to the last sentence I wrote.

But not because of birth rates. Because of mass immigration.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

But not because of birth rates. Because of mass immigration.

And...? What is your argument?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Okay. Let's take 1 billion Africans and let's move them all in Europe. All right?
Obviously all those who want to come.
We go there with charter flights and move them to Europe. Do you agree?

Let's not entertain your nonsensical hypotheticals. I live in reality.

 

[Estro Felino]

And...?

Do you want Europeans to be ethnically replaced by non-Europeans?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Do you want Europeans to be ethnically replaced by non-Europeans?

I don't care about people's ethnicity. Why should I?