Worship part of human nature?

[Kapalika]

I heard a Christian claim this but I have mixed feelings about the statement.

On one hand, I know I have a very deep desire and need for worship. The ectasy and pure ananda of worshipping Satan is... words can't do it justice. It's one of those things, that you cannot tell another of unless they too have recieved those infernal blessings of enrapture and darkness.

For me, it is as if life is escaping and filling me. It is as if I become a living sacrifice offering every part of my being, and I am rewarded with vision of the truth and power over the light and dark in that moment that Satanic energies and the self becomes one, even if for a fleeting moment.

It is pure, raw energy. And I'm addicted to my love of Satan.

But on the other hand...

I've met others who get no joy from such a thing, many even Satanists but many also atheists and even the religious! Many Satanists feel degraded by worship and atheists don't really believe in gods but maybe worship an idea but not overtly. All I have to say to other Satanists that worship isn't required, but damn does it enrich things if it's for you, I think.

For many there isn't a need, or they are forced to because of their beliefs and theology. I rarely hear of Christians and Muslims worshiping out of a need independent of their fear for Hell.

Also...

I do know of pagans, Hindus, and other non Abrahamic religious groups worshiping out of desire, without coercion or fear,but simply out of adoration. I was first introduced to this by Shaivism and as I learned more about it and adopted Trika as the missing part of my religion, I began to understand the value and fulfilling aspects of worship.

So...

Could it be that we, at least most of us, are hardwired for worship? Or do you think something else is at play, or we really are hardwired for something else that just tends to manifest as a need for worship?

I think, maybe a bit of we are hardwired, but not necessarily dominant, and that other factors might be at play. Not everyone feels a need and it's not for everyone. But for us of those it is for, it fulfills a deep aspect of our lives.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I suspect that if people knew more about human nature and nature itself in depth then they would be less likely to worship anything, apart from the sheer size of the universe and all that this entails. And all that is just a little remote from our lives so why should it concern us?

 

[LuisDantas]

Worship is definitely a need for many people, but clearly not for all. It is also not very clear what exactly it means, entails or consists of for people across the board. There are many indications that it will vary a lot. We should be careful to avoid confusion and misunderstandings due to the use of the word without proper context and clarification.

 

[stvdv]

Could it be that we, at least most of us, are hardwired for worship?

Yes. Worship is part of Love [not apart]. Love is part of God and part of our/others Being. So you can Worship inside Your Higher Self and outside Other Higher Self. And knowing the truth you can Worship in every act or just Worship in Silence.

 

[Altfish]

Yes. Worship is part of Love [not apart]. Love is part of God and part of our/others Being. So you can Worship inside Your Higher Self and outside Other Higher Self. And knowing the truth you can Worship in every act or just Worship in Silence.

I can't say I agree with any of that.
I love my wife, my children and grandchildren - but I do not worship them. I certainly don't worship my 'Higher self', in fact I'm not sure what that is and doubt I even have one.
And what the 'truth' has to do with worship, I don't know.

 

[stvdv]

I can't say I agree with any of that.
I love my wife, my children and grandchildren - but I do not worship them

I was talking about Divine Love [Love not love] !!!

 

[Altfish]

I was talking about Divine Love [Love not love] !!!

I didn't realise there was a difference.

 

[stvdv]

I can't say I agree with any of that.
I love my wife, my children and grandchildren - but I do not worship them. I certainly don't worship my 'Higher self', in fact I'm not sure what that is and doubt I even have one.
And what the 'truth' has to do with worship, I don't know.

That makes sense, one can only start the worship of "Higher Self" if one knows what it is

 

[stvdv]

I didn't realise there was a difference.

That is part of Realization, knowing the difference

 

[Altfish]

That is part of Realization, knowing the difference

So, enlighten me: -
Love is.....?
Devine Love is.....?

 

[stvdv]

So, enlighten me: -
Love is.....?
Devine Love is.....?

Just close your eyes and pray to God. He will show you then you See. Else Google a bit then you see.

 

[Altfish]

Just close your eyes and pray to God. He will show you then you See. Else Google a bit then you see.

What a cop out!
In other words, You haven't a clue and are making it up!

 

[stvdv]

What a cop out!
In other words, You haven't a clue and are making it up!

My guru has taught me that "do your best and God will do the rest"
I do not need to spoon feed you everything. I gave some good clues.
Just believe whatever you want. And be happy with it.

 

[Altfish]

My guru has taught me that "do your best and God will do the rest"
I do not need to spoon feed you everything. I gave some good clues.
Just believe whatever you want. And be happy with it.

I don't have a guru or a god; I agree spoon feeding is not an answer, but the internet is a weird place with much fake news and I wouldn't want to be misinformed.
I can assure you that I am happy, very happy.
I believe in little that actually matters, I need evidence and then I understand

 

[Kapalika]

So, enlighten me: -
Love is.....?
Devine Love is.....?

Are you not aware that the English word for "love" has like 5 or 6 main definitions? Other languages are more precise at times.

He's speaking of "Bhakti" when he says love. Love is one translation of it, but it's not the whole picture. It can also translate as "devotion" or yes even "worship". Even "purity". In my experience Sanskrit doesn't often translate easily into a single word in English, since they are often so precise and English is very imprecise.

 

[stvdv]

I don't have a guru or a god; I agree spoon feeding is not an answer, but the internet is a weird place with much fake news and I wouldn't want to be misinformed.
I can assure you that I am happy, very happy.
I believe in little that actually matters, I need evidence and then I understand

I fully agree "internet is a weird place". My guru told me once "Innernet not internet". That's why I said "close your eyes" is best option.
Recently I came across so much misinformation that I almost decided to quit this whole internet. There is too much fake info.

I see you are a Humanist. I believe that is plenty. My guru explicitly said that being Humanist is as good as any religion to chose from.
I respect Humanism very much. Nice and practical. This whole Divine Love thing is not so practical for a humanist. And not needed.
I also believe in little that matter: Summarized the Bible to "Hurt Never, Help Ever". Easy to remember. Just 4 words.

Happy to hear that you are happy, very happy even. I would say "Never change the winning team"

 

[stvdv]

What a cop out!
In other words, You haven't a clue and are making it up!

My excuse. I realize now that you are a Humanist. I should not have said:
"Just close your eyes and pray to God. He will show you then you See. Else Google a bit then you see."
That is insensitive to say to a Humanist. And you give me a slap back was to be expected.

 

[Kapalika]

So, enlighten me: -
Love is.....?
Devine Love is.....?

I should clarify that in context, a Bhakti kind of love is the kind of love in devotion to a deity, but we should also recognize the divinity in all and so one could extend a Bhakti type of love to other living beings. This is the source of greetings/parts like "Namaste" which literally means to recognize the divinity of the person's atma.

By realization he was saying the journey towards "Moksha" or "liberation". To have true sight and knowledge with perfect clarity and escape the cycle of Samsara. I don't agree with his methods but like with anything, practice and study makes one understand better. In this case it can be as simple as meditating and looking inwards. That's how it was originally done (along with some divine revelation now and then) but we have scriptures in Hinduism now to look back on to help figure it out, by building off of past understandings. Otherwise we are always starting from scratch!

What a cop out!
In other words, You haven't a clue and are making it up!

This remark is disprespectful. Just because you don't like the answer means they are making it up.

I personally don't think it's a very effective route (meditation is SO much better) but it's doable, but I don't think it's a cop out.

 

[stvdv]

I should clarify that in context, a Bhakti kind of love is the kind of love in devotion to a deity, but we should also recognize the divinity in all and so one could extend a Bhakti type of love to other living beings. This is the source of greetings/parts like "Namaste" which literally means to recognize the divinity of the person's atma.

By realization he was saying the journey towards "Moksha" or "liberation". To have true sight and knowledge with perfect clarity and escape the cycle of Samsara. I don't agree with his methods but like with anything, practice and study makes one understand better. In this case it can be as simple as meditating and looking inwards. That's how it was originally done (along with some divine revelation now and then) but we have scriptures in Hinduism now to look back on to help figure it out, by building off of past understandings. Otherwise we are always starting from scratch!

This remark is disprespectful. Just because you don't like the answer means they are making it up.

I personally don't think it's a very effective route (meditation is SO much better) but it's doable, but I don't think it's a cop out.

Thank you for wording it so beautiful Kapalika.

Humanisme I see as Bhakti in practice.
Was not his mistake to get "disrespectful". I told a humanist to "close and pray to God" I realized later. That was like asking for a slap on the wrist in return.

Namastee

 

[Nakosis]

Could it be that we, at least most of us, are hardwired for worship? Or do you think something else is at play, or we really are hardwired for something else that just tends to manifest as a need for worship?

I think, maybe a bit of we are hardwired, but not necessarily dominant, and that other factors might be at play. Not everyone feels a need and it's not for everyone. But for us of those it is for, it fulfills a deep aspect of our lives.

Everything I tried to worship, I ended up finding fault with. Maybe I expected too much, but if I am going to worship anything what I worship would have to be without fault.

God can be whatever you want God to be so I suppose it is possible to imagine a God without fault to worship. However just because you've been able to define the perfect being make the being real.

Worship to me seems without purpose except to create a kind of self-gratification of having a relationship with perfection.