McBell
Unbound
No he didn't.
He said that homosexual behaviour happens in nature which would make it natural.
What is interesting is how you put words in his mouth he did not say.
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Would God approve homosexual "unions"
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He said that homosexual behaviour happens in nature which would make it natural.
What is interesting is how you put words in his mouth he did not say.
Draka
Wonder Woman
Perhaps if you were to say that it isn't normal for you. Fact is it is a normal condition for humans. Whether you are homosexual or not is what determines whether it is "normal" for you. It is, however, normal for part of the human population to be homosexual. It is natural, normal, and to be expected for part of our population to be homosexual. It isn't wrong or icky as a matter of fact, it is only those things to someone on a personal basis if they are not homosexual, and even then, it is only some heterosexuals who feel that way.
Honestly, I often find it funny that so many who have such revulsion towards homosexuality only focus on male homosexuality. Of course, that is almost entirely men that do that. Yet they seem to have no issue with the idea of two women together. Let's just be honest then, if one says they oppose homosexuality yet doesn't have issue with two women together then they don't really oppose homosexuality at all, they just have issues with two men together. At that point, one has to ask themselves why that is.
Interesting how you speak for him.
McBell
Unbound
Reality
Humans are animals...
Is this perhaps where part of your confusion starts?
CRIKEY!
that ends the discussion, I mena, if your BELIEVE....
Yes, that was sarcasm
Good for you
Nice little completely irrelevant added to make you feel better about yourself story.As an aside to all this one of my dearest friends is openly gay.
I couldn't care less.
He and I are both cursed with alcoholism.
HE is my "go to" guy in recovery.
He comes to my home where he is more than welcome and WE study the
book Alcoholics Anonymous together.
HE has been sober far longer than I have. I LOVE him as he helps me to save my
life from the horrible disease of addiction.
I'm now quite ill with severe diabetes that I believe is a direct result of my addiction.
I now must inject insulin 3 X daily to stay alive.
Bad pancreas you see. Too much booze too long too often.
If I get stupid and drink booze I'm a dead man.
THAT ALONE WILL NOT KEEP ME SOBER!
HE is white, his, ah, er, friend, is a black gay man.
Dee (fiance), my gay friend, and his significant other have lunch together.
Lest anyone think me homophobic or some such $hit.
Still I believe homosexuality not natural for humans.
But who made me an expert on human behavior. I am entitled to my feelings
and thoughts.
I do not condone bad behavior against humans not heterosexual.
McBell
Unbound
you really need to either work on your reading comprehension or stop twisting what is posted into what you want it to say.
Now be nice. Insults are rude.
The written word is ALWAYS subjective to the reader.
Why else would there be forty-one THOUSAND Christian denominations?
ALL thinking their denomination is the RIGHT one and ALL reading essentially
the SAME Bible.
According to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity (CSGC) at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, there are approximately 41,000 Christian denominations and organizations in the world.
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McBell
Unbound
If you think the post you quoted was an insult and not an observation, you are much further gone than originally feared.
Draka
Wonder Woman
Perhaps it is exactly because we see the double standard applied here. Aside from homosexuality being natural fact, there is simply the fact that what I've said is true. That is, what I've said about men having an issue with males being homosexual and not females. It is a natural condition in both men and women yet men get the brunt of the criticism and hate. It isn't fair. It isn't right. It's a double standard that just shows that the reasoning behind opposition to homosexuality isn't what it is. It isn't really about homosexuality being "wrong" for the most part, because, let's face it, most men have no problems with two women together, in fact they often like the idea. It's just with two men. If you aren't one of the two men then why should what they do together matter to you in the slightest? Why speak against it? Why make it known that you don't do that or that you think it wrong or unnatural? It just makes no sense. And yes, women see this, see this double standard and speak on it.
Draka:
I "speak" on the subject because it's the SUBJECT OF THIS POST!
My opinions are every bit as valid yours.
Opinions are like $$$holes.
Everyone has one.
Deny THAT!
Let me repeat.
My best buddy is openly gay.
He and I are in recovery from addiction.
HE helps save my life and I LOVE him.
That o.k. with you?
I "speak" on the subject because it's the SUBJECT OF THIS POST!
My opinions are every bit as valid yours.
Opinions are like $$$holes.
Everyone has one.
Deny THAT!
Let me repeat.
My best buddy is openly gay.
He and I are in recovery from addiction.
HE helps save my life and I LOVE him.
That o.k. with you?
Draka
Wonder Woman
If you love him then why do you speak against his sexual orientation? Why do you speak about a part of him as if it is unnatural and wrong? Why would you use the word "disgusting" while talking about the way that he and his partner love each other physically?Draka:
I "speak" on the subject because it's the SUBJECT OF THIS POST!
My opinions are every bit as valid yours.
Opinions are like $$$holes.
Everyone has one.
Deny THAT!
Let me repeat.
My best buddy is openly gay.
He and I are in recovery from addiction.
HE helps save my life and I LOVE him.
That o.k. with you?
And the original subject of this thread was whether the Abrahamic god would approve of homosexual unions. Not whether homosexuality is natural or disgusting. And whether an opinion is as valid as another is debatable when one opinion is based upon fact and another is based upon emotion. Not all opinions are equal as not all opinions are substantiated equally. If one person bases an opinion on merely what they feel or what they believe while another bases their opinion on a subject upon actual scientific research or facts then the opinions are in no way equal in validity.
If I give an opinion that is based merely on how I feel about something and someone else give their opinion based upon statistics and testing and established facts, then my opinion is pretty worthless in comparison to theirs. It's called having an informed opinion. That's why we call experts in certain fields to the stand in a courtroom. Their opinion on a matter weighs heavier as it is an informed opinion. So, yes, everyone can have an opinion, but they certainly are not equal in validity.
Tranquil Servant
Was M.I.A for a while
Homosexuality is a sin...just as sodomy....fornication....rape...prostitution...adultery.....and a number of other sexual acts are considered sins....
Sodomy--
1.anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.
2.copulation with a member of the same sex.
And the word sodomy comes from Sodom- the ancient city in the bible which was destroyed by God and known for its unnatural and wicked sexual sins.
If God didn't approve of homosexual acts..it would be safe to assume that he wouldn't approve of same sex civil unions....Sex is usually the act that consummates a marriage (isn't it?). Also, loving someone of the same sex doesn't make a person a homosexual....it's the sexual desire/lust and act that makes a person a homosexual....
Genesis 19:4-5
4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”
Jude 1:7
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
Leviticus 18:22
“‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
Leviticus 20:13
“‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Romans 1:26-27
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
1 John 2:16
For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.
1 Thessalonians 4:3-4
It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control your own body in a way that is holy and honorable,
1 Corinthians 7:2
But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.
Colossians 3:5
Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.
1 Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
1 Timothy 1:10
for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine
Jude 1:7
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
Sodomy--
1.anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.
2.copulation with a member of the same sex.
And the word sodomy comes from Sodom- the ancient city in the bible which was destroyed by God and known for its unnatural and wicked sexual sins.
If God didn't approve of homosexual acts..it would be safe to assume that he wouldn't approve of same sex civil unions....Sex is usually the act that consummates a marriage (isn't it?). Also, loving someone of the same sex doesn't make a person a homosexual....it's the sexual desire/lust and act that makes a person a homosexual....
Genesis 19:4-5
4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”
Jude 1:7
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
Leviticus 18:22
“‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
Leviticus 20:13
“‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Romans 1:26-27
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
1 John 2:16
For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.
1 Thessalonians 4:3-4
It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control your own body in a way that is holy and honorable,
1 Corinthians 7:2
But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.
Colossians 3:5
Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.
1 Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
1 Timothy 1:10
for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine
Jude 1:7
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
Tranquil Servant
Said and referenced his point of view quite well.
He used the Bible you see.
This site is called Religious Forums.
It isn't about political or purely emotional views.
It is about religion and religious views you see.
Quite appropriate to reference the Bible on a religious site.
Rebuttal ^^^^ please?
Said and referenced his point of view quite well.
He used the Bible you see.
This site is called Religious Forums.
It isn't about political or purely emotional views.
It is about religion and religious views you see.
Quite appropriate to reference the Bible on a religious site.
Rebuttal ^^^^ please?
"If you love him then why do you speak against his sexual orientation? Why do you speak about a part of him as if it is unnatural and wrong? Why would you use the word "disgusting" while talking about the way that he and his partner love each other physically?"
I can love someone and NOT approve of behavior or viewpoints.
I love my children but do not always approve of their behavior.
Isn't that natural and beautifully HUMAN?
Loving someone does not dictate approval of behavior.
What part of that is unacceptable to you?
I love my fiance's daughter (40) who is mentally challenged.
Her male partner is 35 years older than her and "normal" ( I suppose ) .
I don't "approve" of her relationship.
That does NOT mean I judge her or him nor comment negatively on her choices.
It just isn't any of my business.
I'm too busy living life to concern myself much with other's sexual behavior.
I comment here because I comment here.
I can love someone and NOT approve of behavior or viewpoints.
I love my children but do not always approve of their behavior.
Isn't that natural and beautifully HUMAN?
Loving someone does not dictate approval of behavior.
What part of that is unacceptable to you?
I love my fiance's daughter (40) who is mentally challenged.
Her male partner is 35 years older than her and "normal" ( I suppose ) .
I don't "approve" of her relationship.
That does NOT mean I judge her or him nor comment negatively on her choices.
It just isn't any of my business.
I'm too busy living life to concern myself much with other's sexual behavior.
I comment here because I comment here.
This is not true.
Irresponsible sex causes huge problems, but it is mostly straight people popping out babies that they can't take care of. That is far and away the biggest moral problem regarding sexual behavior. Creating babies nobody is willing and able to properly provide for.
Nothing to do with homosex.
Tom
Tranquil Servant
Was M.I.A for a while
Who says it isn't true?...you or God?
Yes...this is also a sin..God doesn't promote irresponsible sex.
Me.
The biggest difference between God and me is that I exist and can demonstrate that.
Tom
Tranquil Servant
Was M.I.A for a while
You obviously don't know the meaning of sin...which makes sense since you've insinuated your disbelief in God which means you don't believe or agree with the biblical concept of sin or right and wrong so in that case why are you responding to a religious post....it's pointless
....your are entitled to your views and way of life just as I'm entitled to mine.I know as much as anybody.
Did you know that Christianity is founded on sin? Right there in the 1st Commandment, Christianity is forbidden to the children of Abraham. Moses would be horrified by what the followers of S/Paul did to Scriptures.
Tom