You are undeniably adding to scripture if this is your conclusion. Either quote the scripture rather than merely citing it, or realize your theological assertions are your beliefs and are a vain attempt to override scripture. Good luck!
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Would God approve homosexual "unions"
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You are undeniably adding to scripture if this is your conclusion. Either quote the scripture rather than merely citing it, or realize your theological assertions are your beliefs and are a vain attempt to override scripture. Good luck!
It is undeniably illogical to conclude this. To entertain this, one would have to realize that man made unions (of the flesh) have nothing to do with what God has joined (spirit / souls of individual). Thus, God would not endorse any physical marriages. How would that benefit the spirit (that is already divinely known to be perfectly joined)?
It's fine. I'm not upset or anything. Genuinely curious to have you expand on what you meant is all.
Parthenogenesis (in the reproductive cloning fashion) doesn't require a donor sperm. But more importantly i don't think 'natural order' is that clear cut. As homosexuality obviously exists in nature and our naturally evolved tool development means that 'what would happen if humans all became gay' could be answered honestly with 'not much.'
Honestly I think that life saving medicine is way more disruptive to 'the natural order' than homosexually ever will be.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The process by which elements are formed is called nucleosynthesis. It's through the processes of fusion within stars.
Examine the terms:
Binding energy
and
Bound system.
Nor does a straight marriage where one or both of the people happen to be sterile.
vaguelyhumanoid
Active Member
If you are going to quote me, please respond to what I have said. What you are saying is completely irrelevant.
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
Homosexuals didn't like the language in the K.J.V. if the Christian Bible so they had the
Queen James Bible printed for them.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Queen-James-Bible.html
Don't care for what the Bible says?
Then just have your own version printed to justify anything you desire.
Anglicans did not like the language in the Latin Vulgate that Catholicism used for centuries, so they had the King James Bible printed for them.
Don't care what the Bible says?
Then have an adulterer king just break your country away from the RCC, make up your own religion, and commission 47 biased scholars to create your own version to justify anything you desire.
There are also a hundred or so versions of just the English translation. Each translation and version of a language tries to impart the meaning of the original language of the texts - ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek. This takes an enormous amount of effort.
From just this source:
https://www.quora.com/How-many-versions-of-the-Bible-are-there
Take your pick.
Which one is the One and True Christian Bible????????????
Heck if I know.
The J.W.'s will say the N.W.T. which is the Bible they use but the translators remain
unknown.
"The New World Translation (NWT) is defined by the Jehovah's Witnesses’ parent organization (the Watchtower Society) as "a translation of the Holy Scriptures made directly from Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek into modern-day English by a committee of anointed witnesses of Jehovah." The NWT is the anonymous work of the “New World Bible Translation Committee.” Jehovah’s Witnesses claim that the anonymity is in place so that the credit for the work will go to God. Of course, this has the added benefit of keeping the translators from any accountability for their errors and prevents real scholars from checking their academic credentials."
Italics are mine for emphasis.
I find the "reason" for not identifying the translators very interesting and a bit
suspicious.
Were the translators academically trained? I rather doubt that.
Could this be a case of altering scripture to suit a denomination?
I dunno.
I DO KNOW that the W.T.B.&T.S. frowns somewhat on members attending college.
Didn't know that didya?
Jehovah’s Witnesses are advised against pursuing a higher education, with the Watchtower regularly providing warnings that attending university is an improper use of time in these last days.
The outcome of these warnings is that Jehovah’s Witnesses have amongst the lowest average education and income levels of any religion in the United States, as shown in independent studies, such as the U.S. Religious Landscape Survey 2008 by the Pew Forum. Higher education1 provides benefits at both a private and social level, as detailed in this article; hence religious groups that attempt to take this choice from their followers deserve public scrutiny.
^^^ from: http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/higher-education-university.php
Shame isn't it to NOT want a higher education for the children.
One wonders how educated or UN-educated the translators of their Bible were?
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm???????????
I've mentioned previously that my mother was a J.W. as were and are some of
her family.
I was absolutely shunned (never baptized as a J.W.) for becoming a police officer.
Really?
I was told by J.W. elders that it was o.k. to be a cop as long as I didn't carry a weapon.
Wow.
Never mind I went my career without ever firing a shot at anyone.
Fight? Heck yeah. Always to subdue a criminal or protect myself using the
"minimum amount of force to affect an arrest".
(almost always. I am human ya know.)
From just this source:
https://www.quora.com/How-many-versions-of-the-Bible-are-there
Take your pick.
Which one is the One and True Christian Bible????????????
Heck if I know.
The J.W.'s will say the N.W.T. which is the Bible they use but the translators remain
unknown.
"The New World Translation (NWT) is defined by the Jehovah's Witnesses’ parent organization (the Watchtower Society) as "a translation of the Holy Scriptures made directly from Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek into modern-day English by a committee of anointed witnesses of Jehovah." The NWT is the anonymous work of the “New World Bible Translation Committee.” Jehovah’s Witnesses claim that the anonymity is in place so that the credit for the work will go to God. Of course, this has the added benefit of keeping the translators from any accountability for their errors and prevents real scholars from checking their academic credentials."
Italics are mine for emphasis.
I find the "reason" for not identifying the translators very interesting and a bit
suspicious.
Were the translators academically trained? I rather doubt that.
Could this be a case of altering scripture to suit a denomination?
I dunno.
I DO KNOW that the W.T.B.&T.S. frowns somewhat on members attending college.
Didn't know that didya?
Jehovah’s Witnesses are advised against pursuing a higher education, with the Watchtower regularly providing warnings that attending university is an improper use of time in these last days.
The outcome of these warnings is that Jehovah’s Witnesses have amongst the lowest average education and income levels of any religion in the United States, as shown in independent studies, such as the U.S. Religious Landscape Survey 2008 by the Pew Forum. Higher education1 provides benefits at both a private and social level, as detailed in this article; hence religious groups that attempt to take this choice from their followers deserve public scrutiny.
^^^ from: http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/higher-education-university.php
Shame isn't it to NOT want a higher education for the children.
One wonders how educated or UN-educated the translators of their Bible were?
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm???????????
I've mentioned previously that my mother was a J.W. as were and are some of
her family.
I was absolutely shunned (never baptized as a J.W.) for becoming a police officer.
Really?
I was told by J.W. elders that it was o.k. to be a cop as long as I didn't carry a weapon.
Wow.
Never mind I went my career without ever firing a shot at anyone.
Fight? Heck yeah. Always to subdue a criminal or protect myself using the
"minimum amount of force to affect an arrest".
(almost always. I am human ya know.)
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Michael Thought
Member
Sea horses. Actually the whole you need two of a species to procreate is not correct. there are a number of species that self impregnate, Sea Horses being one.
Michael Thought
Member
Simply look to nature and you will find at least 1500 species that engage in same sex acts and relationships. So it is really difficult to say homosexuality is unnatural. Christianity and Islam both suffer the same affliction in that they both declare GOD's design flawed, or do not believe that ALL is GOD's design and that some things are designed buy other than GOD. You can't have it both ways, either GOD designed all or there is another force that creates besides GOD revealing GOD is not the Prime Creator.
Michael Thought
Interesting that you declare homosexuality a natural act for humans based on animal
behavior.
Interesting that you declare homosexuality a natural act for humans based on animal
behavior.
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
From Wiki:
"Evangelical minister Walter Ralston Martin identified Nathan H. Knorr, Fredrick W. Franz, Albert D. Schroeder, George Gangas, and Milton Henschel as members of the translation team, writing of them, "The New World Bible translation committee had no known translators with recognized degrees in Greek or Hebrew exegesis or translation... None of these men had any university education except Franz, who left school after two years, never completing even an undergraduate degree."
The reason they wanted the "translators" to be kept anonymous was because they knew that none of them had the credentials. The NWT is a highly paraphrased version that the JWs came up with, making it say what they wanted it to say. There is not a single non-JW biblical scholar that takes the NWT seriously. They most likely did not consult the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts (because they could not read them), and just took the KJV (that they previously used) and came up with the NWT.
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Draka
Wonder Woman
Out of curiosity, why is that interesting? It's true.
Michael Thought
Member
The comment I posted reflects that homosexuality cannot be considered unnatural if it appears in nature. Nothing that appears in nature can be considered unnatural. Now if the objection to homosexuality is based on some-one saying it is against the laws of God then this objection is flawed by declaring God's Laws imperfect as they can be broken thus declaring GOD as imperfect. There is no way around this either GOD is perfect and all things reflect GOD's creative will or GOD is imperfect and creates flaws. Only a small human mind can even consider GOD as imperfect and one who creates imperfect laws. A LAW of GOD, "The LAWS of GOD cannot be broken by anyone or anything as only something with more power than the lawmaker can break a law".
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
There is a difference between unnatural and confused. A dog humping your leg is an example of confusion. It has no clue what it is doing other than humping your leg because of some primal instinct.
Gay couples can't procreate naturally.
Michael Thought
Member
Ahh so your basis is that procreation is the standard bearer and yet the sperm of a gay man can impregnate a woman and thus a child is born or a straight man can supply sperm to a gay woman and a child is born. GOD created many ways for children to be seeded and born and all procedures were first thought of by GOD as they exist. GOD created all, those things which procreate and those that don't. There is a simple fact, no thing exists without being a product of GOD's thought, thus homosexuality is GOD's thought, deny this and so deny GOD all other arguments against homosexuality the person or the act are simply the ignorance of writers of texts setting their own personal agenda but without the mind of God as guidance., and yes I do mean all the quotes used by christians and muslims to show homosexuality is unnatural.
Why does this matter to anyone?
There is already 7,000,000,000 humans and growing. We don't need more babies, we need less.
Gay sex is more moral than straight sex between married people who are not willing and able to provide a top quality home for a child. It is way more moral than potentially fertile sex between people who are so unprepared for parenthood that they will choose abortion over the most minimal level of responsible behavior.
Tom
The dog humping your leg probably isn't confused. They go by pheromones and they also masturbate. My dog used to hump my mom's pillows (lol) and he also used to hump my leg before my doctor increased my testosterone dosage. Now he isn't into me, sexually.
He might still masturbate, and he probably does, but I don't see it.