Would the world be better off without any religion?

[Rival]

Shouldn't it be called a deistic argument then?

And what do you call arguments for theism then?

And what would be the best argument for theism in your opinion?

Theism and deism are often used interchangeably, which I agree is wrong but it is often the case. The aim of the argument is to argue for the existence of a God, and often these arguments may not make the distinction between an interfering and a non-interfering God, so usually the term 'creator God' is used and things clarified by argument later.

I'm not going into those arguments as this isn't the thread for it. I just tire of the arguments being called irrational, when if they were so irrational no-one would ever use them, let alone trained philosophers and theologians.

 

[Heyo]

if they were so irrational no-one would ever use them, let alone trained philosophers and theologians.

One would think so - and one would be wrong. The arguments which have been shown to be irrational are continually used by professional apologists. It's as if they don't care about right or wrong, just about bamboozling the credulous.
But you are right in that this discussion is not central topic of the thread.

 

[Rival]

One would think so - and one would be wrong. The arguments which have been shown to be irrational are continually used by professional apologists. It's as if they don't care about right or wrong, just about bamboozling the credulous.
But you are right in that this discussion is not central topic of the thread.

These arguments are not irrational. They're made by trained professionals. You just happen to disagree with them. And I noticed you don't call them philosophers or theologians, but 'apologists'. These folks have PhDs and other such qualifications. It would be like me dismissing any qualified person's opinion as bunk because I happen to disagree with it. It can still be rational without being true, and if he's studied for decades to reach this point it's probably worth listening to.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Would the world and people be better off without any religion? What would be better? What would be worse?

Where do morals come from, or conscience, or where did marriage originate __________
Religion and morals seems to go hand in hand.
A morally-trained conscience is not calloused like a damaged conscience which can be hardened.
Genesis 2:24 shows the start of marriage originates with God/religion.
So, would the world be better off without moral guidance and a trained conscience_________
Would the world be better off without marriage or marriage morals ________

 

[LuisDantas]

No, because what is meaningless to you, is meaningless to everybody else. The problem is that meaningless is not objective. That is a 1st person subjective standard in you.
Atheism and Materialsm
Here. Learn to notice when you do a first person evaluation of meaning as to you and when you are judging the worth of other humans.

I think you should come to terms on whether you want to discuss aesthetical preferences or instead attempt to argue about non-arbitrary reality.

For what it is worth, I am not interested in making any concessions to get your approval.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I think you should come to terms on whether you want to discuss aesthetical preferences or instead attempt to argue about non-arbitrary reality.

For what it is worth, I am not interested in making any concessions to get your approval.

So the meaningless you used is aesthetics. Okay, I doubt you really mean that, but okay.

 

[syo]

Would the world and people be better off without any religion?

No.

 

[cataway]

the world would be better off without any false religion, false religion runs amuck .

 

[AppieB]

Sure, I doing a reductio ad absurdum on being objective and subjective. And the end game is that flawed changes for what it is, as whether if it is objective or subjective. But I am objectively flawed, so I didn't even write this, because I am not really in reality. That is how flawed I am and yet you will be reading this, through reality and in reality.

I'm sorry, but your reductio ad absurdums are indistinguishable from your 'normal' posts.

 

[osgart]

Religion needs to distill out all it's bad qualities, and stick more to what's true of it.

 

[firedragon]

the world would be better off without any false religion, false religion runs amuck .

So you generalised your "false religion that run amuck" to "all religions"! Is not that a composition fallacy?

 

[cataway]

So you generalised your "false religion that run amuck" to "all religions"! Is not that a composition fallacy?

There is only one true God .by right s there's really only one way to worship that he would except.it would have to be in a way that he would of direct ed

 

[LuisDantas]

So the meaningless you used is aesthetics. Okay, I doubt you really mean that, but okay.

No idea how you came to that conclusion.

Aesthetics have meaning. But they are also arbitrary.

 

[firedragon]

There is only one true God .by right s there's really only one way to worship that he would except.it would have to be in a way that he would of direct ed

That's irrelevant cataway.

 

[cataway]

That's irrelevant cataway.

LoL. You have so much to learn

 

[firedragon]

LoL. You have so much to learn

Okay. Please teach me. I guess some people have a favourite topic and what ever the thread is about they wish to go to that. It's your passion, so no problem.

How is your religion the only true one and all other religions are false? I understand everyone will feel the same and will have bias, but teach me how you can prove that please!

Thanks in advance.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

That anything with objective evidence is false as without objective evidence, et it might still matter to me subjectively.

So if you have good evidence to believe something is true you will believe it is false?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

But good is not objective. Because that is a subjective standard in you.

Sure, but not all standards have the same track record for finding truth. Logic and reason have the highest track record for finding truth over any other standard.

 

[BrightShadow]

Would the world and people be better off without any religion?

What would be better?
What would be worse?

What do you mean by the word "religion'? If you mean a "belief system" then generally speaking, I believe the world would be at chaos without a belief system that many if not all humans maintain. We all have one! Some of us need it because we need to know there is a purpose of life and beyond!
Atheists claim - they have a lack of belief but yet they maintain a standard to their non belief. So, by default they too are maintaining a system where they are waiting for that proof that satisfies them! Some of them are here to learn and some are here to educate us into following their path. So, they too follow a methodological system!
Anyhow, if you are talking about organized religions of today's world and all their sects - then that is a different topic!
I still believe all religion to some capacity - played a positive role in shaping humanity. We have law of the land now - so if you take away or restrict all of the organized religions now - the world would go on just fine. However since we have different opinions coming out of our conscience and our sense of reasoning - we would still agree or disagree with the law of the land and we would still have conflicts in the world.
There are no alternate facts!
There can only be ONE fact, One right way, one solution! So, even with or without religion - everyone will continue to think their opinion is correct. They got the right solution, they got the right answer. Some would still think abortion is okay while others will think not. Some would still think homosexuality is okay while others will think not. I doubt anyone will think rape, murder, stealing etc. are okay but some would do it anyway.
So, you would achieve nothing by taking away the religions! So, I pick - it would be the same!

 

[cataway]

Okay. Please teach me. I guess some people have a favourite topic and what ever the thread is about they wish to go to that. It's your passion, so no problem.

How is your religion the only true one and all other religions are false? I understand everyone will feel the same and will have bias, but teach me how you can prove that please!

Thanks in advance.

are you contemplating leaving Islam ?