Would u be happy if the brave servant of Allah was overthrown?

[Shadow Wolf]

When Islam was telling people to learn your ancestors were still in the dark ages. I think you should learn a little about Islam first.

That doesn't answer my question.
And, for your information, my ancestors had a very highly developed and sophisticated society and culture that promoted learning and the arts, and they were far more egalitarian in terms of the sexes than any point in any Islamic society.

 

[Flankerl]

When Islam was telling people to learn your ancestors were still in the dark ages. I think you should learn a little about Islam first.

When Islam was telling people to learn major Eastern Roman Cities had running water in their homes, vaste sewage networks..... What was the argument again?

Oh right yeah through the Islamic conquests you studied Greek and Roman texts in the conquered cities.

*applause for reading stuff*



Fun fact: There never was a Dark Age

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

When Islam was telling people to learn major Eastern Roman Cities had running water in their homes, vaste sewage networks..... What was the argument again?

Oh right yeah through the Islamic conquests you studied Greek and Roman texts in the conquered cities.

*applause for reading stuff*



Fun fact: There never was a Dark Age

Clearly he was talking about the Germanic Tribes. Not the Romans or Greeks.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'd definitely be happy if Erdogan was peacefully removed from power, yes.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Clearly he was talking about the Germanic Tribes. Not the Romans or Greeks.

Germanic tribes is a very broad term that includes the Goths, Franks, Angles, Saxons, Vandals, Frisii, and Suebi. And, of course, the Nords, who were rather quiet advanced for their time, hygienic to the point other cultures considered them vein, and they too enjoyed far more equality of the sexes than well over 90% of Christian and Islamic cultures (they make up another big part of my ancestors as well). This so-called "dark ages" didn't happen until after Rome declined and Christianity spread. By the time this happens you won't really find too many references to the Germanic tribes remaining in the history books. The Romans wrote of the Germanic tribes, but by the time the Church spread we start seeing terms such as Anglo-Saxon, Nord, Visi/Ostrigoth, Franks, and other ethnicities that developed from the massive immigration of the Germanic tribes throughout Europe prior to the spread of Christianity. And, of course, Christianity spread out of Rome, and Eastern Orthodox refers to the Greek heritage of Byzantium/Constantinople, where it was held by the Eastern Roman Empire until it was conquered by Mehmed II, and act that is said to have jump started the Renaissance in Europe with the mass-movement of scholars and texts from Constantinople to Italy.
And, of course, there is also the issue that the Medieval Ages weren't as "dark" as most people believe. Less warfare than what Rome gave the world, decent standards of living, monks working tirelessly to preserve history, advances in scholarships, and the "dark ages" isn't even a valid historical concept or term.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Turkey, they say, is expensive. I'll stick with chicken. It tastes similar.

No really, I heard taxes are very high. My Turkish car electrician says there is a bridge that costs a high tax to pass. The amount he said equals $40 USD. I didn't ask for the details and didn't concentrate on what that bridge was.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Looks like the tyrant Erdogan has declared a state of emergency. He says "This measure is in no way against democracy, the law and freedoms," even as his police state rounds up and detains ten thousand people without charges and renders thousands more unemployed for no good reason.

It also looks like he's getting right back in to helping his friends in Islamic State by bombing the Kurds again. Birds of a feather etc.

I do & don't pity the Turks, even as they throw their support behind the dictator. By the time they finally that realise his rule won't be fun & games it'll be too late for them to do anything about it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I do & don't pity the Turks, even as they throw their support behind the dictator. By the time they finally that realise his rule won't be fun & games it'll be too late for them to do anything about it.

It's not the Turks I pity, but rather the future victims to come from further ISIS support. With them becoming an increased global threat, it becomes increasingly likely that we'll have to go in, bomb the crap out them, launch a nasty a violent war, execute leaders, pile bodies, and then leave. But the Western governments have a long history of really struggling with that "leave" part. It is unfortunate, but we may have to resort to total and absolute brutality and cruelty against them and make them too afraid to even think about launching another attack in our lands.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

It's not the Turks I pity, but rather the future victims to come from further ISIS support.

I pity IS' victims as well. What I mean is the Turks are too close to the problem to see that Erdogan is a monster of their own making and by the time they come to realise this they'll be choking from Erdogan's boot on their collective necks.

With them becoming an increased global threat, it becomes increasingly likely that we'll have to go in, bomb the crap out them, launch a nasty a violent war, execute leaders, pile bodies, and then leave. But the Western governments have a long history of really struggling with that "leave" part. It is unfortunate, but we may have to resort to total and absolute brutality and cruelty against them and make them too afraid to even think about launching another attack in our lands.

I'm not so sure. I get the feeling a 'scorched earth' policy will only make things worse. After all Islamic State came about as a result of destroying Saddam's government. That's the annoying thing about dealing with Muslim countries: we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. If we overthrow a dictator we're interfering kuffar who shouldn't have destabilised yet another Muslim country. If we don't interfere then we don't care about the Muslims being oppressed and we're supporting a tyrant. We just can't win.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

the influence and dangers of the Gulenist mafia

Salaam,

What are these dangers that you speak of?

Wassalaam

 

[Sunstone]

Let say the brave servant of Allah, Erdogan was overthrown on friday.
Would u be happy or upset?

I rather agree with him.

 

[First Baseman]

Turkey, they say, is expensive. I'll stick with chicken. It tastes similar.

No really, I heard taxes are very high. My Turkish car electrician says there is a bridge that costs a high tax to pass. The amount he said equals $40 USD. I didn't ask for the details and didn't concentrate on what that bridge was.

"Have you seen the bridge where's that confounded bridge?"

Led Zeppelin - The Crunge

 

[Smart_Guy]

"Have you seen the bridge where's that confounded bridge?"

Led Zeppelin - The Crunge

Err.. nope!

 

[leibowde84]

I am very happy that Turkey managed to defeat the scum Gulenist dogs. And I hope all their schools and Universities across many countries are closed down just like in Somalia.

And I hope they enforce the death penalty on these dogs. Treason deserves death. They asked for it.

Doesn't Erdogon support the Islamic State? Or, am I wrong about that?

 

[LuisDantas]

I am very happy that Turkey managed to defeat the scum Gulenist dogs. And I hope all their schools and Universities across many countries are closed down just like in Somalia.

And I hope they enforce the death penalty on these dogs. Treason deserves death. They asked for it.

So, I take it that you object to the rebellion itself, on the grounds that it is a betrayal of trust, and somewhat independently you also oppose the Gulenist goals?

What would those goals be, to inspire such passionate rejection?

How do you feel about the exceptional powers that the President of Turkey acquired in the aftermath?

How clear is it that the rebellion was Gulenist in its motivation?

 

[First Baseman]

Err.. nope!

Well, get busy, dude, we've got to find that confounded bridge!

 

[Karl R]

Let say the brave servant of Allah, Erdogan was overthrown on friday.
Would u be happy or upset?

I'm a little confused by your question. Erdogan is accusing Gulen's supporters of being behind the attempted coup. It's my understanding that (when comparing the two) that Erdogan is the more secular one, and Gulen is more motivated by Islamic beliefs.

That said, how does one decide that Erdogan is Allah's servant, and Gulen isn't? Or are they both Allah's servants?

When Sunnis and Shiites fight, both sides believe that Allah is on their side. The Islamic Kurds also believe Allah is on their side. Do you believe that Allah is on all three opposing sides? It seems more likely that ego-centrism causes everyone to assume that Allah / God / Yahweh / etc. is on their side.