Would you buy it?

[The Neo Nerd]

No they are formed in the mind where intuition is more so in the gut.

Can you explain this gut feeling.

Then explain how you can differentiate it from fantasy.

And then tell us how you can differentiate it from unconscious desires.

Just tell us some of the basic differences, that'll make it easier for you.

-Q

 

[Meow Mix]

"I don't deny that believing might bring you peace and joy, but I also don't deny that sugar pills make people's headaches feel better if they believe it's ibuprofin."

Frubals. May I steal that line?

Be my guest

 

[sojourner]

A company is selling a box with wonderful attributes. After all, it explains why evil exists and how the world was created. Furthermore it grants you eternal life. Sometimes if you ask it for things then it will happen for you, other times it won't (the box is temperamental, or has a higher purpose that it doesn't want your wishes to inferfere with sometimes). Many people who've purchased the box have had good things happen to them and many gained a lot of self-confidence to drop drugs and other things like that. In fact, there were a few people who had their cancer go into remission inexplicably after purchasing the box! There are even reports of people hearing the magic in the box. One time, there was a cloud that looked exactly like the box -- logo and everything.

The catch is, though, that you can never look inside it while you're alive; or scan or probe it. Also the box is $1,000 USD.

Sorry, you get most of the benefits of the box after you both purchase the box and then die (don't worry, eternity and all those answers are waiting for you inside the box right?)

So, who here would buy the box? Surely $1,000 and taking some time to whisper desires and thankfulness to it as well as taking the time to indoctrinate the children towards getting their own boxes* is worth the time, right?

(* - you DO want them to live forever right?)

If not, why not?

I think it's incredibly obvious what I'm getting at here.

Edit: Also the box still works even if it's physically destroyed because you live eternally inside the spiritual box. So, nobody can point to the fact that some of the boxes will decay after a person's death and use that as evidence that the box's claims of immortality are false.

I know! I know! It's a television!
Obeying certain commercials will make all your dreams come true. You can receive Trinity Broadcasting and learn all about evil. Marcus Welby will put your cancer into remission, and if he doesn't you can sue him through LA Law. Oprah will take away your drug Jones. Even after you die, like Lucy, the TV is still there, playing reruns.

 

[Walkntune]

Can you explain this gut feeling.

Then explain how you can differentiate it from fantasy.

And then tell us how you can differentiate it from unconscious desires.

Just tell us some of the basic differences, that'll make it easier for you.

-Q

OK. Conscious control is fantasy.It dulls the awareness.
Releasing conscious control expands awareness and as awareness expands subconscious desires come to the surface.
Counseling has been an effective method for this as a counselor may get one to try and release conscious control in order to see underlying causes.
Religion expands the awareness much more as someone releases all conscious control and becomes reliant on awareness.
The consciousness works against the unconsciousness if you are a negative person and creates self imposed resistance .
As someone wants in the conscious the subconscious interprets a want as not having and dictates behaviour that works against the person.Many people don't have a fear of failure but actually have a fear of success.
IF yopu are a positive person they work in harmony and a person rids themselves of self imposed resistance and limitations.
Positive affirmations are successful in this state as the consciousness is able to let go of desires as it is more confident of having what it wants instead of just wanting.
When a person is wanting to be good at something they lack confidence at first and the limitation plays a role in effecting the actions.
As one gains confidence by practice the consciousness they can let go of wanting to be good and rely on the confidence that they are good.This letting go consciously of wanting to be good plays a huge role in confidence build up and one knowing they are good instead of just wanting to be good.
A religious person does not go around in there mind pretending God exists and ignoring reality.
A religious person relies on faith to let go of all of the burden,negative thoughts and feelings,wanting of control, and any other garbage that one carries in there consciousness that blinds awareness. It is fear that locks one into consciousness and grips so tight and faith is releasing and allowing the awareness to expand.
Even if you say God does not exist conscious control is still an illusion and you might as well let go of this false control anyway.The worst thing that will happen is the awareness opens up more and more as you release.Walking in this state is where wisdom is formed and grows.It is the state where we are intuitive and more instinctive and not blinded by our conscious thoughts and feelings.

 

[Wotan]

OK. Conscious control is fantasy.It dulls the awareness.
Releasing conscious control expands awareness and as awareness expands subconscious desires come to the surface.
Counseling has been an effective method for this as a counselor may get one to try and release conscious control in order to see underlying causes.
Religion expands the awareness much more as someone releases all conscious control and becomes reliant on awareness.
The consciousness works against the unconsciousness if you are a negative person and creates self imposed resistance .
As someone wants in the conscious the subconscious interprets a want as not having and dictates behaviour that works against the person.Many people don't have a fear of failure but actually have a fear of success.
IF yopu are a positive person they work in harmony and a person rids themselves of self imposed resistance and limitations.
Positive affirmations are successful in this state as the consciousness is able to let go of desires as it is more confident of having what it wants instead of just wanting.
When a person is wanting to be good at something they lack confidence at first and the limitation plays a role in effecting the actions.
As one gains confidence by practice the consciousness they can let go of wanting to be good and rely on the confidence that they are good.This letting go consciously of wanting to be good plays a huge role in confidence build up and one knowing they are good instead of just wanting to be good.
A religious person does not go around in there mind pretending God exists and ignoring reality.
A religious person relies on faith to let go of all of the burden,negative thoughts and feelings,wanting of control, and any other garbage that one carries in there consciousness that blinds awareness. It is fear that locks one into consciousness and grips so tight and faith is releasing and allowing the awareness to expand.
Even if you say God does not exist conscious control is still an illusion and you might as well let go of this false control anyway.The worst thing that will happen is the awareness opens up more and more as you release.Walking in this state is where wisdom is formed and grows.It is the state where we are intuitive and more instinctive and not blinded by our conscious thoughts and feelings.

How . . . different.:sleep:

Now, might we trouble you to make the distinctions asked for?

 

[Walkntune]

How . . . different.:sleep:

Now, might we trouble you to make the distinctions asked for?

He asked me how I can differentiate them and I told how. You have to find your own way.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

OK. Conscious control is fantasy.It dulls the awareness.
Releasing conscious control expands awareness and as awareness expands subconscious desires come to the surface.
Counseling has been an effective method for this as a counselor may get one to try and release conscious control in order to see underlying causes.
Religion expands the awareness much more as someone releases all conscious control and becomes reliant on awareness.
The consciousness works against the unconsciousness if you are a negative person and creates self imposed resistance .
As someone wants in the conscious the subconscious interprets a want as not having and dictates behaviour that works against the person.Many people don't have a fear of failure but actually have a fear of success.
IF yopu are a positive person they work in harmony and a person rids themselves of self imposed resistance and limitations.
Positive affirmations are successful in this state as the consciousness is able to let go of desires as it is more confident of having what it wants instead of just wanting.
When a person is wanting to be good at something they lack confidence at first and the limitation plays a role in effecting the actions.
As one gains confidence by practice the consciousness they can let go of wanting to be good and rely on the confidence that they are good.This letting go consciously of wanting to be good plays a huge role in confidence build up and one knowing they are good instead of just wanting to be good.
A religious person does not go around in there mind pretending God exists and ignoring reality.
A religious person relies on faith to let go of all of the burden,negative thoughts and feelings,wanting of control, and any other garbage that one carries in there consciousness that blinds awareness. It is fear that locks one into consciousness and grips so tight and faith is releasing and allowing the awareness to expand.
Even if you say God does not exist conscious control is still an illusion and you might as well let go of this false control anyway.The worst thing that will happen is the awareness opens up more and more as you release.Walking in this state is where wisdom is formed and grows.It is the state where we are intuitive and more instinctive and not blinded by our conscious thoughts and feelings.

Wow this is the first time i've ever seen shamanic christianity.

Awesome.

-Q

 

[Midnight Pete]

If by "that" you mean my statement about believing through intuition without reason being untenable, I mean that our intuition is often wrong and it takes reason to sort the wrong from the right.

Much of science and mathematics are counterintuitive, meaning that they are intuitively wrong, but actually true.

Intuition alone is insufficient.

I have to re-read your posts three or four times before I have an inkling of what you're talking about. I think if I were high on amphetamines I'd have the mental acuity to comprehend them on first reading. I accidentally got high on Adderol one time, and it felt like my intelligence had doubled, tripled. It was enjoyable and then terrifying.

 

[Wotan]

I have to re-read your posts three or four times before I have an inkling of what you're talking about. I think if I were high on amphetamines I'd have the mental acuity to comprehend them on first reading. I accidentally got high on Adderol one time, and it felt like my intelligence had doubled, tripled. It was enjoyable and then terrifying.

Frankly I think that difficulty speaks more to your failure to consider this question than to any chemical imbalance.

There is nothing there is not common knowledge. Indeed it is found in Science 101 Philosophy 101 and Theory of Knowledge 101.

Plato's "Meno" is one my favorite dialogs. In it Socrates all but proves that learning is often merely making explicit what we "intuitively" already know.

The acquisition of knowledge is thus a process of remembering whatever has been learned in the past.
To prove the validity of this argument, Socrates presents a series of mathematical questions to a young boy who is a slave of Meno. Socrates asks the boy to solve a geometrical problem which requires a series of steps of reasoning. Socrates asks questions of the boy in order to lead him through the series of steps of reasoning, in such a way that the boy finds the solution to the problem. Socrates then declares that since the boy has not had previous training in mathematics, the boy must have had mathematical knowledge in a previous life and must have remembered this knowledge in order to find a solution to the problem.
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Above taken from here. Of course what this little drama actually proves is NOT the immortality of the "soul" but the power of reasoning.

But the REALLY interesting question (that theists NEVER ask) is WHY does reasoning work? If you are interested in finding some vast eternal intelligence behind all this THAT is a question to ask. The myths surrounding some genocidal desert war god are not going to provide any useful information in that inquiry.

 

[blackout]

GOD is just a WORD anyway.

A label of SOME idea, or another.
A label of YOUR idea or construction.

People say "this is god" "this isn't god"
there IS (a) god (as I have defined it)
there ISN'T (a) god (as you have defined it)
"THIS definition is a valid GOD definition,
that one isn't".


"God" is in here... "God" is out there...
"God" is everywhere... "God" is nowhere...
"God" IS all things... "God" is some things...
"God" IS no'thing.

There is One God. There are Three Gods,
or five, or fifty, or infinity Gods.

Gods pre-exist.
Gods are "potential"
Gods are created
Gods create...

I am God.
You are NOT god.
God is man
God is spirit
God is ideal
God is idea.

God is the most VAGUE and malliable word in our language.
Then "Theism" and..."Religion"
Then "Marriage".

What would we SAY if we threw the word "God" out of our vocabulary?

(thinks this might make a good thread...)

 

[Meow Mix]

I have to re-read your posts three or four times before I have an inkling of what you're talking about. I think if I were high on amphetamines I'd have the mental acuity to comprehend them on first reading. I accidentally got high on Adderol one time, and it felt like my intelligence had doubled, tripled. It was enjoyable and then terrifying.

Adderol is great, I pop one about once a month to get some deep cleaning done in the house.

 

[thedope]

Is there somebody or some thing on our side?

Reality supports it's objective constituents and what is not real does not exist.

 

[Thief]

Yes you are right, i should aim my questions at the box.

Here goes:


[ /prayer]
Dear Box,

My keen sense of observation has noted that Thief thinks there is some kind of flaw in my reasoning.

Do you think he will be able to explain what those flaws are?

Thankyou,

-Quaxotic [ /prayer]

Let me help.....

Hey God!.....
There's some guy down here that doesn't seem to know what Eternal Darkness is.....
Gotta box for him?