Would You Leave Christians to Go to Hell?

[wizanda]

Say you're Christ, you come back and find the warnings you gave of the deception weren't clear enough; so when you come back, you find that Christianity is basically the same as the Pharisees were teaching, written by Pharisees, and they're not smart enough to recognize they're following the lie....

Now how far would you go trying to help a group of people who contradict what you said, claim to follow you, yet show themselves to be hypocrites, and basically are facing the other way....

• What effort would you put in?
• Is it worth it to get a load of people to understand, when they've chosen to go the other way?
  
• Even though the text doesn't allocate for you to go and change them all, would you for the sake of the greater good, that it is an unfair deception, and they're just naive in many ways?
• What method would you use to reach them all, when clearly you telling them all they're deceived, will cause animosity, and its doubtful many will even accept it?
• 

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Say you're Christ, you come back and find the warnings you gave of the deception weren't clear enough; so when you come back, you find that Christianity is basically the same as the Pharisees were teaching, written by Pharisees, and they're not smart enough to recognize they're following the lie....

Now how far would you go trying to help a group of people who contradict what you said, claim to follow you, yet show themselves to be hypocrites, and basically are facing the other way....

• What effort would you put in?
• Is it worth it to get a load of people to understand, when they've chosen to go the other way?
  
• Even though the text doesn't allocate for you to go and change them all, would you for the sake of the greater good, that it is an unfair deception, and they're just naive in many ways?
• What method would you use to reach them all, when clearly you telling them all they're deceived, will cause animosity, and its doubtful many will even accept it?
• 

All the effort in the world. It is as important as life itself. The methods are many and varied - you don't have to tell (all of) them who you are, and there are opportunities in every time and place as you go about living in this world and interacting with people and the world around you.

 

[Aiviu]

Say you're Christ, you come back and find the warnings you gave of the deception weren't clear enough; so when you come back, you find that Christianity is basically the same as the Pharisees were teaching, written by Pharisees, and they're not smart enough to recognize they're following the lie....

Now how far would you go trying to help a group of people who contradict what you said, claim to follow you, yet show themselves to be hypocrites, and basically are facing the other way....

• What effort would you put in?
• Is it worth it to get a load of people to understand, when they've chosen to go the other way?
  
• Even though the text doesn't allocate for you to go and change them all, would you for the sake of the greater good, that it is an unfair deception, and they're just naive in many ways?
• What method would you use to reach them all, when clearly you telling them all they're deceived, will cause animosity, and its doubtful many will even accept it?
• 

You mean if i am Jesus himself or what and return to the world?

 

[Deathbydefault]

Say you're Christ, you come back and find the warnings you gave of the deception weren't clear enough; so when you come back, you find that Christianity is basically the same as the Pharisees were teaching, written by Pharisees, and they're not smart enough to recognize they're following the lie....

Now how far would you go trying to help a group of people who contradict what you said, claim to follow you, yet show themselves to be hypocrites, and basically are facing the other way....

• What effort would you put in?
• Is it worth it to get a load of people to understand, when they've chosen to go the other way?
  
• Even though the text doesn't allocate for you to go and change them all, would you for the sake of the greater good, that it is an unfair deception, and they're just naive in many ways?
• What method would you use to reach them all, when clearly you telling them all they're deceived, will cause animosity, and its doubtful many will even accept it?
• 

Two steps.

1) Present myself in a way that makes my divinity undeniable (e.g. telepathically speak to everyone at once).
2) Say what I want to say on record, then leave.

Word for word listing out how I think and my beliefs and relationship with god, I would leave no room for misinterpretation.
From the start, that would be my responsibility considering the previous **** up.

 

[Subhankar Zac]

I would rather let them fend for themselves. If a blind cannot see a canyon on front of them, surely others will help but the fools who out of arrogance close their eyes shut and reject the help of anyone who's willing to assist them and instead lashes out at them... Out of their arrogance hurts others and strives always towards delusions and selfish ways, for him punishment is mercy, even if it destroys everything that he is.
Those who don't want the Truth, deny the basic facts and sticks to his own illusion out of fear... He should be left free to fall deep into karmic entanglement

 

[Jumi]

If I'm an omnipotent god, things are easily done so there is no miscommunication. Leave behind supernatural 3d holograms you can always ask if there's trouble.

On second thought, if I didn't bother to correct things in 2000 years might as well see how things play out...

 

[wizanda]

You mean if i am Jesus himself or what and return to the world?

Yes, you are Yeshua come back to earth in human form, before the great day of the lord.

 

[Scott C.]

Say you're Christ, you come back and find the warnings you gave of the deception weren't clear enough; so when you come back, you find that Christianity is basically the same as the Pharisees were teaching, written by Pharisees, and they're not smart enough to recognize they're following the lie....

Now how far would you go trying to help a group of people who contradict what you said, claim to follow you, yet show themselves to be hypocrites, and basically are facing the other way....

• What effort would you put in?
• Is it worth it to get a load of people to understand, when they've chosen to go the other way?
  
• Even though the text doesn't allocate for you to go and change them all, would you for the sake of the greater good, that it is an unfair deception, and they're just naive in many ways?
• What method would you use to reach them all, when clearly you telling them all they're deceived, will cause animosity, and its doubtful many will even accept it?
• 

The situation above has truth to it, but certainly not in all cases. I believe Jesus Christ restored the Gospel of Jesus Christ to earth in the last days, prior to his second coming, to start the course correction.

 

[wizanda]

I believe Jesus Christ restored the Gospel of Jesus Christ to earth in the last days, prior to his second coming, to start the course correction.

Do you get that concept from a religious text or belief, and if so where?

 

[Scott C.]

Do you get that concept from a religious text or belief, and if so where?

This is a fundamental belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. God called modern day prophets, starting with Joseph Smith, to re-establish or restore Christianity and the Church to their New Testament form, to correct false doctrines that developed over the centuries, and to restore the ordinances or sacraments established by Christ, with the right authority to perform those ordinances. There are Biblical passages in the Old and New Testaments which we believe predict these events. This gospel restoration occurred in preparation for the return of Christ.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Say you're Christ, you come back and find the warnings you gave of the deception weren't clear enough; so when you come back, you find that Christianity is basically the same as the Pharisees were teaching, written by Pharisees, and they're not smart enough to recognize they're following the lie....

Now how far would you go trying to help a group of people who contradict what you said, claim to follow you, yet show themselves to be hypocrites, and basically are facing the other way....

• What effort would you put in?
• Is it worth it to get a load of people to understand, when they've chosen to go the other way?
  
• Even though the text doesn't allocate for you to go and change them all, would you for the sake of the greater good, that it is an unfair deception, and they're just naive in many ways?
• What method would you use to reach them all, when clearly you telling them all they're deceived, will cause animosity, and its doubtful many will even accept it?
• 

It's quite obvious you're not a parent!

 

[arthra]

Say you're Christ, you come back and find the warnings you gave of the deception weren't clear enough; so when you come back, you find that Christianity is basically the same as the Pharisees were teaching, written by Pharisees, and they're not smart enough to recognize they're following the lie....

Now how far would you go trying to help a group of people who contradict what you said, claim to follow you, yet show themselves to be hypocrites, and basically are facing the other way....

• What effort would you put in?
• Is it worth it to get a load of people to understand, when they've chosen to go the other way?
  
• Even though the text doesn't allocate for you to go and change them all, would you for the sake of the greater good, that it is an unfair deception, and they're just naive in many ways?
• What method would you use to reach them all, when clearly you telling them all they're deceived, will cause animosity, and its doubtful many will even accept it?
• 

It's more likely that the "warnings" He gave went unheeded ... The "Return" of the new Manifestation will give the guidance that is needed for the day and that could include abrogating what was given before in terms of ordinances and laws but essentially the same spiritual message would be used... So whatever means are available and at hand would be used to convey the new Message to humanity.

 

[wizanda]

It's quite obvious you're not a parent!

That is an excellent point, and i do understand what it is to be a parent... Yet even within that, why bother to save a group of people who've declared their not your children by their beliefs; yet they still think their in some relationship with you.

So agree in terms of being a parent, allowing the children to know they've declared systematically not to be your children (so they can learn from their mistakes)... Yet you can't make them leave their new love, when they're so determined to follow that, instead of your guidance.

So again the question remains, how would you put it forward to let them know they've all followed the deception instead?

to correct false doctrines that developed over the centuries

Thank you for the answer, sorry to say these have also gone wrong, as i was referring to the whole ideology put forward by the Pharisees John, Paul and Simon the stone (petros), and so though somethings have been corrected, they're still also following the great deception.

Those who don't want the Truth, deny the basic facts and sticks to his own illusion out of fear... He should be left free to fall deep into karmic entanglement

So say this was you who hadn't realized you were following a lie, and weren't intelligent enough to see why....

Like could probably show lots of things that any of us do, that are delusional in some way; now the immediate response by the fool is to rebuke instruction, yet the wise will learn from it.

It would basically be saying anyone who is stupid, its fine to get rid of... Which in someways is the reason the Biblical snare was established; yet is that fair?

Shouldn't the wise help the weak? Do we leave our sick and dumb to starve?

Now i get they think they don't need help, and 'have life more abundant'; yet like some drug addict on the streets, freezing to death, they're just ignorant of the facts.

P.s Christians are like a jellyfish, because they've not got Christ at the head of the church, as they think, they sting everything they touch.... Yet say you were Christ, is it possible to correct them, and reshape them into something that is an asset.

 

[Subhankar Zac]

So say this was you who hadn't realized you were following a lie, and weren't intelligent enough to see why....

Like could probably show lots of things that any of us do, that are delusional in some way; now the immediate response by the fool is to rebuke instruction, yet the wise will learn from it.

It would basically be saying anyone who is stupid, its fine to get rid of... Which in someways is the reason the Biblical snare was established; yet is that fair?

Shouldn't the wise help the weak? Do we leave our sick and dumb to starve?

Now i get they think they don't need help, and 'have life more abundant'; yet like some drug addict on the streets, freezing to death, they're just ignorant of the facts.

P.s Christians are like a jellyfish, because they've not got Christ at the head of the church, as they think, they sting everything they touch.... Yet say you were Christ, is it possible to correct them, and reshape them into something that is an asset.

No... I meant, if I were God then I would.
The entire cataclysm that occured in northern India 5000 years ago is evident of what happens when you keep giving second chances to people who don't realize their paths.
I m all for helping, but those who do not listen and only aid their false prestige, for them punishment is must.
Mercy is one of 26 divine qualities of a human being, but those who only go lower in the pool of hate and illusion, for them strong punishment is mercy.

If I was following the path of illusion, harming others, lived in anger and arrogance... That should be my reward too. I'll hate it and dislike it, still all actions have their consequences.

People try to give human characteristics to a being that is unattainable by the material senses.
Christians in the left don't like hell, they see God as only good and so forth.
I see God as all there is.
He's Jesus and he's Satan, he's Krishna and he's Kansa, he's the worst person on the planet and also the best, he's older than the oldest stars and also newer than the freshest flowers, he's you and he's me, he's all the rivers, trees, stars and space... There is absolutely nothing within all the infinite universes that isn't him.

The weak must be helped, but the weak who sees help as hostility and evil, how can you help them?
People have their own consciousness and are capable of making a decision. Forcing them to accept our help isn't something I prefer.
Therefore, according to the laws of nature, they must be punished in this life or have the next life filled with misery equivalent to their evil actions in this life.

 

[Aiviu]

Say you're Christ, you come back and find the warnings you gave of the deception weren't clear enough; so when you come back, you find that Christianity is basically the same as the Pharisees were teaching, written by Pharisees, and they're not smart enough to recognize they're following the lie....

Now how far would you go trying to help a group of people who contradict what you said, claim to follow you, yet show themselves to be hypocrites, and basically are facing the other way....

• What effort would you put in?
• Is it worth it to get a load of people to understand, when they've chosen to go the other way?
  
• Even though the text doesn't allocate for you to go and change them all, would you for the sake of the greater good, that it is an unfair deception, and they're just naive in many ways?
• What method would you use to reach them all, when clearly you telling them all they're deceived, will cause animosity, and its doubtful many will even accept it?
• 

The loud voice is angry and the silent is calm. Who wants to understand. At first has to be blind. Forgetful they are. See something as wrong. If they dont know the reason why they still do it wrong. One day they will see to what they have to return. Each one their own. I do not return. I will replace one by one.

 

[wizanda]

The weak must be helped, but the weak who sees help as hostility and evil, how can you help them?

This is an interesting question, and i get it; yet isn't it the same with most religious people, if you try to show a belief is wrong, people feel they've been personally attacked, as you're challenging their faith/heart.

Its like trying to rescue a drowning wasp, they sting you when you're saving them; yet in this case they already think they are saved, by holding onto a log, that is going off the waterfall, which makes it very problematic.

Yet what if there was a way to save them, and if you had like a beekeepers suit to protect you.... Isn't it the Godly thing to do, to at least try, even if they're determined they're going the right way?

 

[Subhankar Zac]

Also, I wouldn't come for Christians but all intelligent beings capable of reasoning.
Nor will I send them to a place that I in my nightmares even can't imagine will exist... I'll simply give them the punishment they deserve, this life or the next.

 

[savagewind]

Say you're Christ, you come back and find the warnings you gave of the deception weren't clear enough; so when you come back, you find that Christianity is basically the same as the Pharisees were teaching, written by Pharisees, and they're not smart enough to recognize they're following the lie....

Now how far would you go trying to help a group of people who contradict what you said, claim to follow you, yet show themselves to be hypocrites, and basically are facing the other way....

• What effort would you put in?
• Is it worth it to get a load of people to understand, when they've chosen to go the other way?
  
• Even though the text doesn't allocate for you to go and change them all, would you for the sake of the greater good, that it is an unfair deception, and they're just naive in many ways?
• What method would you use to reach them all, when clearly you telling them all they're deceived, will cause animosity, and its doubtful many will even accept it?
• 

WOW

 

[Subhankar Zac]

This is an interesting question, and i get it; yet isn't it the same with most religious people, if you try to show a belief is wrong, people feel they've been personally attacked, as you're challenging their faith/heart.

Its like trying to rescue a drowning wasp, they sting you when you're saving them; yet in this case they already think they are saved, by holding onto a log, that is going off the waterfall, which makes it very problematic.

Yet what if there was a way to save them, and if you had like a beekeepers suit to protect you.... Isn't it the Godly thing to do, to at least try, even if they're determined they're going the right way?

Save them from what?
Even if they worship MAHISHASURA I wouldn't care.... I'll punish them only if they hurt other beings and their personal mindset will yield its it's result.

For me, false religions don't bother.
I might believe that Krishna alone is the supreme, but wouldn't care if someone takes that as Satan.
Afterall, being God, I m Satan, Jesus, Lord Narayana, This planet, the stars, you and your enemy... It's all me.
What's a false belief?
A false belief is belief in ignorance, fear, anger, greed, envy, indoctrination and false ego.
Whatever a human mind can concoct, it's all me as in God.

 

[savagewind]

Two steps.

1) Present myself in a way that makes my divinity undeniable (e.g. telepathically speak to everyone at once).
2) Say what I want to say on record, then leave.

Word for word listing out how I think

Into their minds? I think he'd have to be quicker than that.

and my beliefs and relationship with god,

Under every circumstance?

.I would leave no room for misinterpretation.

what would he do with all the brain noise, do you think? Do you understand the question?

From the start, that would be my responsibility considering the previous **** up.

I think it was people who ****ed up.